Krugman finally admits it ...The Libs Want Death Panels

[teapartysamurai]

Wrong, yet again.

What in the world is it that makes you believe that people would be "dying in the streets", without big bloated gubmint bureaucracies like Medicare/Medicaid?

Perhaps the same thing that makes you believe that rationing Medicare would be "sending Gramma out on the ice floe". You can't have it both ways.

RATIONING!!!! Thank you for admitting it!

There is RATIONING!

How do you RATION healthcare without killing someone?

You tell us. Or rather you spin some more!

 

[teapartysamurai]

Perhaps the same thing that makes you believe that rationing Medicare would be "sending Gramma out on the ice floe". You can't have it both ways.

The term "rationing" presumes that some will be treated while others are denied...Even though those being denied could pay their own way.

Have you any grasp of the English language?

The term "rationing" isn't mentioned by Krugman, either. Did you even read or watch his comments? You might be confused about something here: I'm not arguing Krugman's point. I don't agree with him. But there's no need to lie about what he said, or make shit up.


Aside from that, is there a reason you're being such a dick right now? Normally you're not this much of an asshole.

WHAT DO YOU THINK DEATH PANELS MEANS, GENIUS?????????

It means RATIONING the healthcare and letting those the government think are less deserving get LESS of it!

How else do you RATION healthcare?

You stepped in it, when you admitted there is rationing.

Now try to step out!

I can't wait to see you try!

 

[teapartysamurai]

There are currently two strategies, the second of which is being covered up.

1. Death Panels: Keep Medicare, but get rid of costly, ineffective end-of-life procedures. Also, give the patient more control over end-of-life care, e.g., get patients to decide if they want to be kept alive in a vegetative state indefinitely or not. [FYI: These kinds of end-of-life policy suggestions were first made by a Republican]

2) Death: Get rid of Medicare completely. This would result in millions of early deaths because so many elderly people depend on medicare.

The GOP's ultimate goal is to get rid of Medicare. This program, with Social Security, represents the most important Middle Class program of the Liberal New Deal era.

The GOP is scaring old people by telling them that their end-of-life Medicare services will be scaled back. The GOP actually drove old people to town hall meetings to protest ObamaCare.

Here is what seniors don't understand: the GOP is not merely going to cut some of their end-of-life procedures, they are getting rid of Medicare and Social Security altogether.

The GOP is literally leading these blind sheep to slaughter. People have no idea what the next phase of the Republican Revolution involves. This country is going to be a much different place in ten years.

Just the GOP? Why is alwayes just the Republicans who alwayes want to get rid of medicare? When in facts obama wants it done.

What the fuck are you talking about? Ending Medicare would be suicidal for ANY politician.

Explain that to Obama and the cuts that are coming down the pike.

Doctors brace for possible big Medicare pay cuts

Doctors brace for possible big Medicare pay cuts - Yahoo! News

The rationing has already begun!

 

[teapartysamurai]

What the fuck are you talking about? Ending Medicare would be suicidal for ANY politician.

What do you mean, what am I talking about?
http://americangrandjury.org/us-debt-proposal-would-cut-social-security-taxes-medicare

Your article is about how a commission is going to suggest a plan that would trim Medicare.
I fail to see how that translates to "Obama wants to destroy Medicare".

You fail to see a lot, don't you?

 

[L.K.Eder]

So? Looking how bad the economy is he's not a good economist. Which brings us back to the point the nobel has no meaning anymore.

What are you talking about? What possible responsibility could Paul Krugman have for the current state of the economy?

OH brother how do you explain something to who has no comprehension skills?

the incompetent lack the skills to evaluate competence - one's own or anyone else's- in the domain of their incompetence.

 

[judyd]

The term "rationing" presumes that some will be treated while others are denied...Even though those being denied could pay their own way.

Have you any grasp of the English language?

The term "rationing" isn't mentioned by Krugman, either. Did you even read or watch his comments? You might be confused about something here: I'm not arguing Krugman's point. I don't agree with him. But there's no need to lie about what he said, or make shit up.


Aside from that, is there a reason you're being such a dick right now? Normally you're not this much of an asshole.

WHAT DO YOU THINK DEATH PANELS MEANS, GENIUS?????????

It means RATIONING the healthcare and letting those the government think are less deserving get LESS of it!

How else do you RATION healthcare?

You stepped in it, when you admitted there is rationing.

Now try to step out!

I can't wait to see you try!

Insurance companies have been doing this for years. They don't pay for procedures if they deem you are too old for them.

 

[Article 15]

Serious question:

Can you buy supplemental health care in countries like Canada?

 

[BlindBoo]

No he didn't. Your cognitive function is impaired!

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

I guess the narative is.. just die already.

 

[Jroc]

What the fuck are you talking about? Ending Medicare would be suicidal for ANY politician.

Getting rid of Medicare and Social Security will be a slow process, accompanied by lots of information distortion and trickery.

You're right about how much politicians worry about being seen as anti-medicare.

This is why the GOP had to kill ObmaCare. Their worry was not that it wouldn't work, but that it would work too well, like Social Security. The last thing the GOP can afford is for the Liberals to create another generation of loyal voters, like the New Deal Coalition. This is why the GOP must stop Health Care (aka the candy) before it reaches the mouth of the voter. They don't want the population to become dependent on another program that will result on higher taxes on the wealthy, and their donors don't want to lose control of the current over-priced system.

ObamaCare is a problem only because it might work too well for the voter . . .like most social programs that cannot be killed. This is why they have to convince the idiot voter that Obama is coming for grandma. They need to kill it before the candy reaches the people -- or it will be a tax burden on them forever.

Obama care can't work idiot. All it is a thrown together piece of bullshit that wasn't really even supposed to be implemented as it was written if not for the Dems wanting to get their victory with this stupid piece of shit. Do you even know what’s in it? Or do you just assume the libs want what’s best for you? THOSE IDIOTS DIDN'T EVEN READ THAT BILL BEFORE IT PASSED what happened to the Social Security trust fund? You're liberal icon LBJ is the one that combined and made it part of the general fund, Now look... those friken politicians have spend everything. You libs that think the federal govt can do everything better then the private sector are a joke.

 

[teapartysamurai]

The term "rationing" isn't mentioned by Krugman, either. Did you even read or watch his comments? You might be confused about something here: I'm not arguing Krugman's point. I don't agree with him. But there's no need to lie about what he said, or make shit up.


Aside from that, is there a reason you're being such a dick right now? Normally you're not this much of an asshole.

WHAT DO YOU THINK DEATH PANELS MEANS, GENIUS?????????

It means RATIONING the healthcare and letting those the government think are less deserving get LESS of it!

How else do you RATION healthcare?

You stepped in it, when you admitted there is rationing.

Now try to step out!

I can't wait to see you try!

Insurance companies have been doing this for years. They don't pay for procedures if they deem you are too old for them.

Can you give an example or is this another fable that the Obamamaniacs spread like taking feet off unnecessarily?

 

[judyd]

WHAT DO YOU THINK DEATH PANELS MEANS, GENIUS?????????

It means RATIONING the healthcare and letting those the government think are less deserving get LESS of it!

How else do you RATION healthcare?

You stepped in it, when you admitted there is rationing.

Now try to step out!

I can't wait to see you try!

Insurance companies have been doing this for years. They don't pay for procedures if they deem you are too old for them.

Can you give an example or is this another fable that the Obamamaniacs spread like taking feet off unnecessarily?

Are you serious? Yes, they have been doing that for quite some time now. Perhaps if you get involved in a physical problem with an elderly parent you will find this out. Doctors will tell you that the patient is too old for a certain procedure and the insurance won't cover it.

 

[Jroc]

Insurance companies have been doing this for years. They don't pay for procedures if they deem you are too old for them.

Can you give an example or is this another fable that the Obamamaniacs spread like taking feet off unnecessarily?

Are you serious? Yes, they have been doing that for quite some time now. Perhaps if you get involved in a physical problem with an elderly parent you will find this out. Doctors will tell you that the patient is too old for a certain procedure and the insurance won't cover it.

Thats rare, and you can always sue a private co. You can't sue the government. But it would be nice if you gave an example to back up you claim.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

"We are God's Partners in matters of Life and Death" Barack Adolph Obama

 

[Jroc]

Humm... If this law is so good why is everybody trying to avoid it? why don't the unions want it?

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