Krugman Exposes Conservative's Health Care Agenda: California Death Spiral

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Once again, Paul Krugman does his homework and conservatives come out looking like ideologues who support profits over sanity, and corporate markets over public health. Shame!

Conservatives want to hide the facts of the ''California Death Spiral''
By PAUL KRUGMAN
Published: February 19, 2010

Health insurance premiums are surging - and conservatives fear that the spectacle will reinvigorate the push for reform.

On the Fox Business Network, a host chided a vice president of WellPoint, which has told California customers to expect huge rate increases: "You handed the politicians red meat at a time when health care is being discussed. You gave it to them!"
 
Once again, Paul Krugman does his homework and conservatives come out looking like ideologues who support profits over sanity, and corporate markets over public health. Shame!

Conservatives want to hide the facts of the ''California Death Spiral''
By PAUL KRUGMAN
Published: February 19, 2010

Health insurance premiums are surging - and conservatives fear that the spectacle will reinvigorate the push for reform.

On the Fox Business Network, a host chided a vice president of WellPoint, which has told California customers to expect huge rate increases: "You handed the politicians red meat at a time when health care is being discussed. You gave it to them!"

Paul goes on to point out...
So the rate increases, WellPoint insists, aren't its fault: "Other individual market insurers are facing the same dynamics and are being forced to take similar actions."

Indeed, a report released Thursday by the department of Health and Human Services shows that there have been steep actual or proposed increases in rates by a number of insurers.

But here's the thing: suppose that we posit, provisionally, that the insurers aren't the main villains in this story.

Even so, California's death spiral makes nonsense of all the main arguments against comprehensive health reform.

For example, some claim that health costs would fall dramatically if only insurance companies were allowed to sell policies across state lines.

But California is already a huge market, with much more insurance competition than in other states; unfortunately, insurers compete mainly by trying to excel in the art of denying coverage to those who need it most.
 
Once again, Paul Krugman does his homework ...

... some claim that health costs would fall dramatically if only insurance companies were allowed to sell policies across state lines.

... unfortunately, insurers compete mainly by trying to excel in the art of denying coverage to those who need it most.
And the sad fact is that there are ignorant conservatives out there and here @ USMB who proudly crow that they do not read Krugman or the NYT.

Yet here we have Krugman quoting people from ConNews and most bright people are aware that most every single conservative leader reads the NYT.

sad....when wingnuts fly.

And competition hasn't averted a death spiral.

So why would creating a national market make things better?

More broadly, conservatives would have you believe that health insurance suffers from too much government interference. In fact, the real point of the push to allow interstate sales is that it would set off a race to the bottom, effectively eliminating state regulation.

But California's individual insurance market is already notable for its lack of regulation, certainly as compared with states like New York - yet the market is collapsing anyway.

Finally, there have been calls for minimalist health reform that would ban discrimination on the basis of pre-existing conditions and stop there. It's a popular idea, ..........but as every health economist knows, it's also nonsense.

...too bad the TeaPartyLunatics and RWL @ USMB can't stomach reading anything other than propaganda put out to protect profits and a failing market...the health care for profit market.
 
Krugman also burnishes his reputation as a compulsive liar, in telling this whopper:

But California's individual insurance market is already notable for its lack of regulation...

Amongst the "ailments" required to be covered in Fornicalia:
  • Alcoholism
  • Drug Abuse Treatment
  • In Vitro Fertilization
  • Contraceptives
  • Mental Health General
  • Mental Health Parity

Amongst the practitioners required to be reimburseded by insurance:
  • Acupuncturists
  • Chiropractors
  • Social Workers
  • Professional Counselors
  • Psychiatric Nurse
  • Psychologists

California Health Insurance Quotes

Then there is the 2003 law, which mandates that employers be forced to provide insurance:

The Cost of California's Health Insurance Act of 2003

Forcing people into the insurance market who would be most likely to use their isnurance as defacto pre-paid medical can't have any positive downward pressure on pricing.

Ain't Google great?

Yeah, really an unregulated marketplace. :rolleyes:
 
I guess nobody told Krugman that the size of a state is irrelevant to the fact that insurance companies operating in that state all have to comply with the same onerous regulations.

As for propaganda, Krugman excels at it.
Dude, as dopey as you usually are (they don't call IT dope for nothin'), I expect more from you than to mimic the out of context nitwitticisms of a Crusading Fool like Frank.

Here is EXACTLY what Krugman says about California in regards size and states...in full context
For example, some claim that health costs would fall dramatically if only insurance companies were allowed to sell policies across state lines.

But California is already a huge market, with much more insurance competition than in other states; unfortunately, insurers compete mainly by trying to excel in the art of denying coverage to those who need it most.
He was countering an argument made by others.

you be getting :cuckoo:
 
Krugman also burnishes his reputation ...

But California's individual insurance market is already notable for its lack of regulation...





California Health Insurance Quotes

Then there is the 2003 law, which mandates that employers be forced to provide insurance:

The Cost of California's Health Insurance Act of 2003

Forcing people into the insurance market who would be most likely to use their isnurance as defacto pre-paid medical can't have any positive downward pressure on pricing.

Ain't Google great?

Yeah, really an unregulated marketplace. :rolleyes:
Fortunately...most of us who don't dwell in the lands of nod, smoke and dope...we know Google is a great tool...and we know how to do side by side comparisons of the industry.
 
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Most of us who understand the English language know what "lack of regulation" means, and Fornicalia's insurance market is regulated up to its armpits.

But keep posting that sociopathic far leftist crackpot swill from Krugman, as though it's the Sermon on the Mount....He's an unintentional comedic gem.
 
Paul Krugman has been writing about this stuff, and all the while conservative apologists have been touting the US Healthcare system as 'The Best'....The best at making profits.

Health insurance giant Anthem Blue Cross said it was raising rates on thousands of individual policyholders in California because the cost of their medical care exceeded the premiums they paid last year.

At the same time, other parts of Anthem reaped a profit. A Times analysis of the company's regulatory filings shows that $525 million in Anthem's earnings in 2009 was shipped to its corporate parent WellPoint Inc. The analysis was not disputed by Anthem.

Anthem Blue Cross has been so profitable that, since WellPoint acquired it in 2004, it has contributed
more than $4.5 billion to the parent company's bottom line.

Critics say some of those gains should have been kept in California and used to cover the losses on Anthem's individual policies. Instead, the company turned to individual policyholders to make up the losses with rate increases of up to 39%.
-latimes.com
 
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Krugman also burnishes his reputation as a compulsive liar, in telling this whopper:

But California's individual insurance market is already notable for its lack of regulation...

Amongst the "ailments" required to be covered in Fornicalia:
  • Alcoholism
  • Drug Abuse Treatment
  • In Vitro Fertilization
  • Contraceptives
  • Mental Health General
  • Mental Health Parity

Amongst the practitioners required to be reimburseded by insurance:
  • Acupuncturists
  • Chiropractors
  • Social Workers
  • Professional Counselors
  • Psychiatric Nurse
  • Psychologists

California Health Insurance Quotes

Then there is the 2003 law, which mandates that employers be forced to provide insurance:

The Cost of California's Health Insurance Act of 2003

Forcing people into the insurance market who would be most likely to use their isnurance as defacto pre-paid medical can't have any positive downward pressure on pricing.

Ain't Google great?

Yeah, really an unregulated marketplace. :rolleyes:

He blowed the op up...he blowed it up real good.

I'm going to start a thread

Dante & Krugman: The Love that dare not speak its name?

And then another thread:

Krugman & Dante: The Love that dare not speak its name?

And then another one

Dante & Krugman: Who pitches, who catches?
 
This is one issue the the HC reform law will address. At a time when people ares struggling, increases like that are uncalled for.
 
Krugman is an idiot.

CA is already in a death spiral due to the enormous growth of the state government which began during the dotcom bubble, and continued after the burst. The state added to employment and increased pensions to the point where they are cratering the state's finances.

If CA had just limited the growth in spending to inflation adjusted for population increases, we'd be running a surplus.
 
Krugman is an idiot.

yeah right. :eusa_hand:

Paul Krugman joined The New York Times in 1999 as a columnist on the Op-Ed Page and continues as professor of Economics and International Affairs at Princeton University.
Related
Krugman Wins Nobel Prize for Economics (October 14, 2008)

Mr. Krugman received his B.A. from Yale University in 1974 and his Ph.D. from MIT in 1977. He has taught at Yale, MIT and Stanford. At MIT he became the Ford International Professor of Economics.

Mr. Krugman is the author or editor of 20 books and more than 200 papers in professional journals and edited volumes. His professional reputation rests largely on work in international trade and finance;
- Columnist Biography - Paul Krugman - Op-Ed - NYTimes.com


:lol::lol::lol:
 
Krugman also burnishes his reputation as a compulsive liar, in telling this whopper:

But California's individual insurance market is already notable for its lack of regulation...

Amongst the "ailments" required to be covered in Fornicalia:

It seems pretty clear Krugman was referring to the individual insurance market in California, wouldn't you say?
 

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