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when an illegal shows up in line at the obamaclinic and someone complains "hey, no illegals" the comeback will be "theres no law prohibiting illegals from getting treatment"
Exactly - and that is what some Republicans attempted to point out when they presented an inclusion within the House healthcare bill to shut down that obvious loophole. The Democrat leadership of course said no - TWICE, thus ensuring that illegals will in fact be able to get healthcare. Obama has upped that protection by now stating that these illegals will simply be made legal, and thus, the bill will not give healthcare to illegals. Until a few years later when we have another 3 million or so illegals pouring in, at which point we will be back to "There's no law prohibiting illegals from getting treatment."
DC Duplicity at its horrific best!
when an illegal shows up in line at the obamaclinic and someone complains "hey, no illegals" the comeback will be "theres no law prohibiting illegals from getting treatment"
Exactly - and that is what some Republicans attempted to point out when they presented an inclusion within the House healthcare bill to shut down that obvious loophole. The Democrat leadership of course said no - TWICE, thus ensuring that illegals will in fact be able to get healthcare. Obama has upped that protection by now stating that these illegals will simply be made legal, and thus, the bill will not give healthcare to illegals. Until a few years later when we have another 3 million or so illegals pouring in, at which point we will be back to "There's no law prohibiting illegals from getting treatment."
DC Duplicity at its horrific best!
yes, and the funny thing is they think they are fooling people. their partisans know its a lie and embrace it, everyone else knows its a lie and stands against it. so the partisans start the school yard name calling to which everyone just laughs in their face. obama is a deciever, no law prohibiting illegals from slopping at the trough is a default position allowing it to happen.
Obama will deny seniors the care they need and deserve and give it to illegal aliens
Obama will deny seniors the care they need and deserve and give it to illegal aliens
More cat shit from Willow. The right fought medicare and would still get rid of it if they could.
Illegal aliens won't be covered. You know that but what the fuck about facts, right willow?
If I am brain washed by the left you are brain dead by the right.
Excellent article Sinatra, thanks for posting it.
Obama will deny seniors the care they need and deserve and give it to illegal aliens
More cat shit from Willow. The right fought medicare and would still get rid of it if they could.
Illegal aliens won't be covered. You know that but what the fuck about facts, right willow?
If I am brain washed by the left you are brain dead by the right.
I can say it better than Krauthammer.
Obama will deny seniors the care they need and deserve and give it to illegal aliens. It's just that simple.
The ever-insightful Doctor Charles Krauthammer once again reveals the duplicity that is all too common in Obama-speak...
Does He Lie?
By Charles Krauthammer
Friday, September 18, 2009
You lie? No. Barack Obama doesn't lie. He's too subtle for that. He . . . well, you judge.
Herewith three examples within a single speech -- the now-famous Obama-Wilson "you lie" address to Congress on health care -- of Obama's relationship with truth.
(1) "I will not sign a plan that adds one dime to our deficits -- either now or in the future," he solemnly pledged. "I will not sign it if it adds one dime to the deficit, now or in the future. Period."
Wonderful. The president seems serious, veto-ready, determined to hold the line. Until, notes Harvard economist Greg Mankiw, you get to Obama's very next sentence: "And to prove that I'm serious, there will be a provision in this plan that requires us to come forward with more spending cuts if the savings we promised don't materialize."
This apparent strengthening of the pledge brilliantly and deceptively undermines it. What Obama suggests is that his plan will require mandatory spending cuts if the current rosy projections prove false. But there's absolutely nothing automatic about such cuts. Every Congress is sovereign. Nothing enacted today will force a future Congress or a future president to make any cuts in any spending, mandatory or not.
Just look at the supposedly automatic Medicare cuts contained in the Sustainable Growth Rate formula enacted to constrain out-of-control Medicare spending. Every year since 2003, Congress has waived the cuts.
Mankiw puts the Obama bait-and-switch in plain language. "Translation: I promise to fix the problem. And if I do not fix the problem now, I will fix it later, or some future president will, after I am long gone. I promise he will. Absolutely, positively, I am committed to that future president fixing the problem. You can count on it. Would I lie to you?"
(2) And then there's the famous contretemps about health insurance for illegal immigrants. Obama said they would not be insured. Well, all four committee-passed bills in Congress allow illegal immigrants to take part in the proposed Health Insurance Exchange.
But more important, the problem is that laws are not self-enforcing. If they were, we'd have no illegal immigrants because, as I understand it, it's illegal to enter the United States illegally. We have laws against burglary, too. But we also provide for cops and jails on the assumption that most burglars don't voluntarily turn themselves in.
When Republicans proposed requiring proof of citizenship, the Democrats twice voted that down in committee. Indeed, after Rep. Joe Wilson's "You lie!" shout-out, the Senate Finance Committee revisited the language of its bill to prevent illegal immigrants from getting any federal benefits. Why would the Finance Committee fix a nonexistent problem?
(3) Obama said he would largely solve the insoluble cost problem of Obamacare by eliminating "hundreds of billions of dollars in waste and fraud" from Medicare.
That's not a lie. That's not even deception. That's just an insult to our intelligence. Waste, fraud and abuse -- Meg Greenfield once called this phrase "the dread big three" -- as the all-purpose piggy bank for budget savings has been a joke since Jimmy Carter first used it in 1977.
Moreover, if half a trillion is waiting to be squeezed painlessly out of Medicare, why wait for health-care reform? If, as Obama repeatedly insists, Medicare overspending is breaking the budget, why hasn't he gotten started on the painless billions in "waste and fraud" savings?
Obama doesn't lie. He merely elides, gliding from one dubious assertion to another. This has been the story throughout his whole health-care crusade. Its original premise was that our current financial crisis was rooted in neglect of three things -- energy, education and health care. That transparent attempt to exploit Emanuel's Law -- a crisis is a terrible thing to waste -- failed for health care because no one is stupid enough to believe that the 2008 financial collapse was caused by a lack of universal health care.
So on to the next gambit: selling health-care reform as a cure for the deficit. When that was exploded by the Congressional Budget Office's demonstration of staggering Obamacare deficits, Obama tried a new tack: selling his plan as revenue-neutral insurance reform -- until the revenue neutrality is exposed as phony future cuts and chimerical waste and fraud.
Obama doesn't lie. He implies, he misdirects, he misleads -- so fluidly and incessantly that he risks transmuting eloquence into mere slickness.
Slickness wasn't fatal to "Slick Willie" Clinton because he possessed a winning, nearly irresistible charm. Obama's persona is more cool, distant, imperial. The charming scoundrel can get away with endless deception; the righteous redeemer cannot.
Charles Krauthammer - Obama, Too Subtle to Lie, Misleads on Health Reform
he makes absolutely NO sense at allStill need a translation. Anyone? Anyone?Do you have patriotic bumper sticker?I've looked at this several times and still can't figure out to whom it refers. Perhaps someone can translate for me?
Do you wave the flag around from th rear of your pick up?
You are what they call a Yahoo sport! People are laughing at you not with you dopey!
The ever-insightful Doctor Charles Krauthammer once again reveals the duplicity that is all too common in Obama-speak...
Does He Lie?
By Charles Krauthammer
Friday, September 18, 2009
You lie? No. Barack Obama doesn't lie. He's too subtle for that. He . . . well, you judge.
Herewith three examples within a single speech -- the now-famous Obama-Wilson "you lie" address to Congress on health care -- of Obama's relationship with truth.
(1) "I will not sign a plan that adds one dime to our deficits -- either now or in the future," he solemnly pledged. "I will not sign it if it adds one dime to the deficit, now or in the future. Period."
Wonderful. The president seems serious, veto-ready, determined to hold the line. Until, notes Harvard economist Greg Mankiw, you get to Obama's very next sentence: "And to prove that I'm serious, there will be a provision in this plan that requires us to come forward with more spending cuts if the savings we promised don't materialize."
This apparent strengthening of the pledge brilliantly and deceptively undermines it. What Obama suggests is that his plan will require mandatory spending cuts if the current rosy projections prove false. But there's absolutely nothing automatic about such cuts. Every Congress is sovereign. Nothing enacted today will force a future Congress or a future president to make any cuts in any spending, mandatory or not.
Just look at the supposedly automatic Medicare cuts contained in the Sustainable Growth Rate formula enacted to constrain out-of-control Medicare spending. Every year since 2003, Congress has waived the cuts.
Mankiw puts the Obama bait-and-switch in plain language. "Translation: I promise to fix the problem. And if I do not fix the problem now, I will fix it later, or some future president will, after I am long gone. I promise he will. Absolutely, positively, I am committed to that future president fixing the problem. You can count on it. Would I lie to you?"
(2) And then there's the famous contretemps about health insurance for illegal immigrants. Obama said they would not be insured. Well, all four committee-passed bills in Congress allow illegal immigrants to take part in the proposed Health Insurance Exchange.
But more important, the problem is that laws are not self-enforcing. If they were, we'd have no illegal immigrants because, as I understand it, it's illegal to enter the United States illegally. We have laws against burglary, too. But we also provide for cops and jails on the assumption that most burglars don't voluntarily turn themselves in.
When Republicans proposed requiring proof of citizenship, the Democrats twice voted that down in committee. Indeed, after Rep. Joe Wilson's "You lie!" shout-out, the Senate Finance Committee revisited the language of its bill to prevent illegal immigrants from getting any federal benefits. Why would the Finance Committee fix a nonexistent problem?
(3) Obama said he would largely solve the insoluble cost problem of Obamacare by eliminating "hundreds of billions of dollars in waste and fraud" from Medicare.
That's not a lie. That's not even deception. That's just an insult to our intelligence. Waste, fraud and abuse -- Meg Greenfield once called this phrase "the dread big three" -- as the all-purpose piggy bank for budget savings has been a joke since Jimmy Carter first used it in 1977.
Moreover, if half a trillion is waiting to be squeezed painlessly out of Medicare, why wait for health-care reform? If, as Obama repeatedly insists, Medicare overspending is breaking the budget, why hasn't he gotten started on the painless billions in "waste and fraud" savings?
Obama doesn't lie. He merely elides, gliding from one dubious assertion to another. This has been the story throughout his whole health-care crusade. Its original premise was that our current financial crisis was rooted in neglect of three things -- energy, education and health care. That transparent attempt to exploit Emanuel's Law -- a crisis is a terrible thing to waste -- failed for health care because no one is stupid enough to believe that the 2008 financial collapse was caused by a lack of universal health care.
So on to the next gambit: selling health-care reform as a cure for the deficit. When that was exploded by the Congressional Budget Office's demonstration of staggering Obamacare deficits, Obama tried a new tack: selling his plan as revenue-neutral insurance reform -- until the revenue neutrality is exposed as phony future cuts and chimerical waste and fraud.
Obama doesn't lie. He implies, he misdirects, he misleads -- so fluidly and incessantly that he risks transmuting eloquence into mere slickness.
Slickness wasn't fatal to "Slick Willie" Clinton because he possessed a winning, nearly irresistible charm. Obama's persona is more cool, distant, imperial. The charming scoundrel can get away with endless deception; the righteous redeemer cannot.
Charles Krauthammer - Obama, Too Subtle to Lie, Misleads on Health Reform
Great article
Is that the best you've got? Content irrelevant to this topic and a parroting of the HuffPo?Fortunately this clown is usually wrong on every topic he comments on!
Oh, Charles Krauthammer! There's so much magical thinking in this lede that one wonders if you plagiarized the end of a rainbow!
Preoccupied as it was poring through Tom Daschle's tax returns, Washington hardly noticed a near-miracle abroad. Iraq held provincial elections. There was no Election Day violence. Security was handled by Iraqi forces with little U.S. involvement. A fabulous bazaar of 14,400 candidates representing 400 parties participated, yielding results highly favorable to both Iraq and the United States.
A miraculous absence of violence? Not so!
KIRK, Iraq - Six policemen and a civilian were wounded in a bomb attack in a town north of Baghdad on Saturday as the nation was voting in provincial elections, police said.
The attack took place in the main street of Tuz Khurmatu, where on Wednesday two police guarding a school being used as a polling station were gunned down.
Does this dampen the spirits of the "fabulous bazaar" of candidates?
And still Faris Taha, one of the election's victors, according to preliminary results, is too fearful to return to the region he will soon represent.
"I cannot go back," he said, having retreated from his hometown east of Ramadi, the capital of Anbar Province, to a hotel in Baghdad's Green Zone. "I am afraid."
Yielding favorable results? Unless the goal was to yield a fresh round of inter-sectarian tension, that's looking like a naive overestimation:
Tallies are still unofficial in the Iraqi provincial elections, but from the perspective of Sunni participation in the political process -- one of the biggest imbalances in Iraqi politics that the elections were supposed to redress -- it's looking increasingly grim.
First we've got the combustible mixture of acrimony, fraud accusations and lack of acceptance of legitimacy in Anbar province, where it appears the former insurgents and tribesmen who formed the Anbar Awakening didn't get the electoral victory they expected....Going off the newspaper Aswat al-Iraq's tally, the Sunnis appear to have gone from one seat out of 57 to ten or eleven. One of the reasons for this: Shiite death squads have spent years cleansing Baghdad of Sunnis through intimidation and violence; and the Sunnis who used to live in Baghdad couldn't vote there...combine that with the unexpectedly strong showing of Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki's party in Baghdad province, and it's not hard to see Sunnis asking themselves: what did political participation get us?
So, yeah. A "near" miracle. Missed it by that much.
Read more at: Saying Doesn't Make It So, Charles Krauthammer
yes, you are quite the clownFortunately this clown is usually wrong on every topic he comments on!
Obama will deny seniors the care they need and deserve and give it to illegal aliens
More cat shit from Willow. The right fought medicare and would still get rid of it if they could.
Illegal aliens won't be covered. You know that but what the fuck about facts, right willow?
If I am brain washed by the left you are brain dead by the right.
