Discussion in 'Europe' started by Teri B., Feb 17, 2008.
It will be interesting to see how Russia reacts to this in the UN . . . and otherwise.
Russia will do everyhthing they can to interfere and stop them from joining the EU as well as generally create mayhem.
We should pick a date next year and say all people who want to declare independence do so. Then we can re-draw the maps and all get along.
Russia has no control over whether Kosovo will get into the EU.
However, they won't. No chance that Spain will let them.
Spain? Why single out the Spaniards? Spain just reconfirmed a very pro EU government over the weekend. Why not expand the EU? Because the Beneficent Collective hates Albanians? You are right, in general. The ethnic Albanians in Kosovo will wait approximately as long as Turkey to get into the EU, i.e., a very long time.
This has nothing to do with pro-EU or anti-EU governments. It has to do with recognizing the legitimacy of independence movements. Spain really really doesn't want to recognize a new state that just sort of broke off and declared independence. Not because they care about Kosovo, they don't. But they don't want the Basques to do the same thing.
By the way, I find it hilarious that you act as if the EU is socialist somehow. Its a series of governments getting together and creating a federal government, which doesn't have that much power. Remind you of anyone? Except in their case the fed doesn't have that much power, in our case it has a ton of power. I know, I know...the US surely is a beneficient socialist collective.
Glad you are entertained.
What country in the EU, or anywhere for that matter, would recognize the Basques? None, probably not even Kosovo. The reason that countries like Turkey and Kosovo are rejected or put into multi-decade application processes, is that EU countries like France and Spain do not want to absorb the workers. Even worse than Poland, the proletariat in places like Kosovo and Turkey will blow out the wage structure in the Collective. And that's not too popular with the voters. It is why the French rejected the EU Constitution.
Few right now. However precedent is very important in international law. Wait 20 or 30 years down the line, and it may be different. Regions trying to break off from states have become more common in the last 50 years given decolonization. Quebec, Chechnya, Basque, etc.
Turkey yes, Kosovo, no. The EU was trying to have a united stance to recognize Kosovos independence.
Look at the states who want to recognize Kosovo. Britain, France, the US, Germany, etc. States against it? Cyprus (separatist problem), Spain (Separatist problem), Russia (Separatist problem).
It has nothing to do with the fear of being overrun by the massive population of 2 million Albanians. It has everything to do with countries fears about their own separatist groups. Int'l law matters, and so does saving face. If Spain recognizes Kosovo, what arguments can they give against the Basques?
Right which is why they let in Romania (population 22 million), but are staunchly against Kosovo (Population 2 million).
By the way...if thats why France rejected the EU Constitution, why do they support the independence of kosovo?
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