Koch Brothers deep pockets are supporting .... TADA!!!

[asaratis]

I am not saying that at all. Its you guys who keep saying about the Koch brothers and donations we are just trying to point out how hypocritical you guys are

It's not hypocritical.

I don't want to see two brothers be allowed to funnel an unlimited amount of money into our elections. That is totally separate from how much money was funneled into elections 20 years ago.

Not.

And you think the Koch's don't have a right to (don't want to see...be allowed to) donate what they please to whatever cause they back... but don't want any comparison made between them and George Soros buying the Marxist community organizer the chair in the oval office.

It's not hypocritical.

I don't want to see two brothers be allowed to funnel an unlimited amount of money into our elections. That is totally separate from how much money was funneled into elections 20 years ago.

Oh like Soros does... Hmmm Pot is still calling Kettle

Why do you keep assuming my stance on Soros? It looks like you're just trying to de-rail the thread and not talk about the Koch brothers and Cain.

Why don't you want to talk about the Koch brothers and Cain?

The subject is your proposed denial of the right to contribute to whatever one pleases. Your hypocrisy is quite evident.

So? Are you now suggesting corporations can't donate money? Aren't they people with a constitutionally protected right to free speech?

I am not saying that at all. Its you guys who keep saying about the Koch brothers and donations we are just trying to point out how hypocritical you guys are

A funny thing happens when you point out a hypocrite... There's 3 fingers pointing right back atcha.

When obvious hypocrisy is pointed out and denied, it is generally from a failure of the denier to know what the word means.

heh heh so now you're just going to lie and call my hypocritical anyway. That's funny.

You guys are totally making my morning!

I sure am not lying. You're a hypocrite. We hold these truths to be self evident.

Oh this will be fun.

Why don't you prove to everyone how I'm a hypocrite.

Bears no need of further proof.

 

[DontBeStupid]

I sure am not lying. You're a hypocrite. We hold these truths to be self evident.

Oh this will be fun.

Why don't you prove to everyone how I'm a hypocrite.

you're here defending whining about the Kock Brothers. You going to condemn George Soros too for corrupting the political process? Or the unions? Or ACORN? Or the Clinton Foundation?

I shall wait for you to hang yourself.

Obviously voters are free to donate to any candidate or party they want. They should not be allowed to donate unlimited amounts though, as that is how elections get bought. Additionally, notice I said "voters". A company is not a voter. A business is not a voter. A union is not a voter. None of them should be allowed to donate. Period.

There's too much money in elections and not enough ideas. Get the money out and make everyone run on their ideas.

Now feel free to make something up or insult me or do whatever it is you guys do you when you get your ass handed to you.

 

[asaratis]

Wouldn't it make more sense to put their support behind a NON "temporary flavor?" Or does said non not fit into their agenda.

Thank God Obama is now a temporary flavor!

 

[DontBeStupid]

Bears no need of further proof.

You should really read my last post as it clearly lays out that I do not want Soros to be able to donate unlimited amounts of money. Just like I don't want the Kochs to do it either.

You guys are awesome with all the assumptions! Keep it up!

 

[Lovebears65]

Bears no need of further proof.

You should really read my last post as it clearly lays out that I do not want Soros to be able to donate unlimited amounts of money. Just like I don't want the Kochs to do it either.

You guys are awesome with all the assumptions! Keep it up!

But the thing is he has been, and the left is all quiet about it.

 

[hortysir]

It's not hypocritical.

I don't want to see two brothers be allowed to funnel an unlimited amount of money into our elections. That is totally separate from how much money was funneled into elections 20 years ago.

Come back and bitch when your team stops accepting funds from Soros. Until then, you're just another hypocrite.

We can't control election money from the 90s. We can't control it from the 00s. We can control it now, and if you look at it now, which was the link I posted originally, you see only 1 union in the top 10. Which was my point.

And your point got pwned by Lovebear when she posted the long list of unions.
You tried to deflect by saying, "So" but you obviously have a problem with big RED money. Just not big BLUE money.

On the surface I don't have a problem with Soros supporting his guy by funneling what he can through his different shell companies.

I do, however, have a problem with people like you, Pelosi, Reid and Obama treating me like a blithering idiot by saying, "Soros who?".
Just admit it. You'd feel so much better.
I promise.

But don't take Soros' money and bitch about Kochs'.

 

[Trajan]

Oh this will be fun.

Why don't you prove to everyone how I'm a hypocrite.

you're here defending whining about the Kock Brothers. You going to condemn George Soros too for corrupting the political process? Or the unions? Or ACORN? Or the Clinton Foundation?

I shall wait for you to hang yourself.

Obviously voters are free to donate to any candidate or party they want. They should not be allowed to donate unlimited amounts though, as that is how elections get bought. Additionally, notice I said "voters". A company is not a voter. A business is not a voter. A union is not a voter. None of them should be allowed to donate. Period.

There's too much money in elections and not enough ideas. Get the money out and make everyone run on their ideas.

Now feel free to make something up or insult me or do whatever it is you guys do you when you get your ass handed to you.

There's too much money in elections and not enough ideas. Get the money out and make everyone run on their ideas.

as has been mentioned already, who took a pass on campaign financing?

 

[Lakhota]

Cain is also apparently an Ayn Rand fan. Here's a picture of him with his arm around Pamela Geller of Atlas Shrugs...

 

[AmericanFirst]

Congratulations, Mr. Cain!

Long ties to Koch brothers key to Cain’s campaign - The Washington Post

Cain’s campaign manager and a number of aides have worked for Americans for Prosperity, or AFP, the advocacy group founded with support from billionaire brothers Charles and David Koch, which lobbies for lower taxes and less government regulation and spending. Cain credits a businessman who served on an AFP advisory board with helping devise his “9-9-9” plan to rewrite the nation’s tax code. And his years of speaking at AFP events have given the businessman and radio host a network of loyal grassroots fans.

The once little-known businessman’s political activities are getting fresh scrutiny these days since he soared to the top of some national polls.

His links to the Koch brothers could undercut his outsider, non-political image among tea party fans who detest politics as usual and candidates connected with the party machine.

Lord, I do love the internet. It's hard to pull the wool over people's eyes when they have instant access to full disclosure.

And in other news;

Herman Cain Newsweek Profile: Calls Obama 'Terrible,' Fires Back at Critics - The Daily Beast

Cain has spent most of his life individualizing the message of the civil-rights movement and insisting color should not play a role in modern politics. But such a view may begin to sound naive if his candidacy continues to alienate African-Americans. In the past week, Cain has had to fend off challenges from multiple black luminaries, including Cornell West, who accused Cain of “coldness toward poor people,” and Syracuse professor Boyce Watkins, who on CNN called him “the perfect racist.”

Georgetown professor Michael Eric Dyson told Newsweek he thinks of Cain as “Jimmy Stewart in blackface.” “He’s Mr. Smith goes to Washington. The good ol’ boy you just love. He’s the black man white people would prefer over Obama, and he’s the black man that is more like them and who thinks like them. He makes them feel they aren’t racist because they support him at this level and not Obama.’’

Singer and civil-rights activist Harry Belafonte, who made headlines when he called Cain a “bad apple” during a recent interview with Joy Behar, says it’s impossible to accept Cain as a black candidate with those politics. “I’m pretty sure African-Americans don’t take Cain seriously, but I’m not sure about white people,” Belafonte tells Newsweek. “They believe this black man is the real deal. He isn’t. Anyone who says what he says isn’t.”

Cain has fired back at his critics—and in doing so, only inflamed the controversy. “He’s been on that banana boat too long,” he says in response to Belafonte, accusing the 84-year-old performer of trying to “intimidate” people of color who might even consider supporting his candidacy. “Harry Belafonte called me a bad apple. Now he knows he’s not going to shut me up.” And speaking to other media outlets earlier this week, he said West had “been in academia too long” and was hung up on “symbolic stuff.”

Oh, yeah. This is going to be oodles of fun.

Better than being backed by known socialists who want to overthrow this country. But you don't have a problem with that do you? Idiot.

 

[JWBooth]

Cain is also apparently an Ayn Rand fan. Here's a picture of him with his arm around Pamela Geller of Atlas Shrugs...

Having his picture taken with an blogger...yep the connection between Cain and Rand. Ya know, Rand was an atheist...Cain is surely then an atheist.

 

[AmericanFirst]

Yet the unions are the highest to donate to any candidate
. POT calling on Kettle

The left has NO shame whatsoever.

That is because the idiots have no clue.

 

[Lakhota]

Herman Cain: 'I'm Not Familiar With The Neoconservative Movement'

By Amanda Terkel

WASHINGTON -- GOP presidential candidate Herman Cain raised more questions about his knowledge of foreign policy on Sunday, saying he doesn't know anything about the "neoconservative movement," which dominated the eight years of the Bush administration.

On "Meet the Press" Sunday morning, host David Gregory asked Cain who has shaped his views on foreign policy.

"I've looked at the writings of people like Amb. John Bolton," replied Cain. "I've looked at the writings of Dr. Henry Kissinger -- KT McFarland, someone I respect."

More: Herman Cain: 'I'm Not Familiar With The Neoconservative Movement'

Is Cain lying or just stupid? I think he's lying. The more I hear about him the scarier he sounds. John Bolton? Holy shit...

 

[AmericanFirst]

I am not saying that at all. Its you guys who keep saying about the Koch brothers and donations we are just trying to point out how hypocritical you guys are

It's not hypocritical.

I don't want to see two brothers be allowed to funnel an unlimited amount of money into our elections. That is totally separate from how much money was funneled into elections 20 years ago.

Do you have a problem with soros doing it, who is a socialist? I hate anti-American socialist hypocrites who support that.

 

[AmericanFirst]

Herman Cain: 'I'm Not Familiar With The Neoconservative Movement'

By Amanda Terkel

WASHINGTON -- GOP presidential candidate Herman Cain raised more questions about his knowledge of foreign policy on Sunday, saying he doesn't know anything about the "neoconservative movement," which dominated the eight years of the Bush administration.

On "Meet the Press" Sunday morning, host David Gregory asked Cain who has shaped his views on foreign policy.

"I've looked at the writings of people like Amb. John Bolton," replied Cain. "I've looked at the writings of Dr. Henry Kissinger -- KT McFarland, someone I respect."

More: Herman Cain: 'I'm Not Familiar With The Neoconservative Movement'

Is Cain lying or just stupid? I think he's lying. The more I hear about him the scarier he sounds. John Bolton? Holy shit...

Obamaturd is both stupid and a liar, but idiots love that jerk.

 

[Lakhota]

Cain is also apparently an Ayn Rand fan. Here's a picture of him with his arm around Pamela Geller of Atlas Shrugs...

Having his picture taken with an actress...yep the connection between Cain and Rand. Ya know, Rand was an atheist...Cain is surely then an atheist.

Actress? Since when?

Pamela Geller - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[JWBooth]

Cain is also apparently an Ayn Rand fan. Here's a picture of him with his arm around Pamela Geller of Atlas Shrugs...

Having his picture taken with an actress...yep the connection between Cain and Rand. Ya know, Rand was an atheist...Cain is surely then an atheist.

Actress? Since when?

Pamela Geller - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Hmmmmm......will edit.

 

[BDBoop]

Herman Cain: 'I'm Not Familiar With The Neoconservative Movement'

By Amanda Terkel

WASHINGTON -- GOP presidential candidate Herman Cain raised more questions about his knowledge of foreign policy on Sunday, saying he doesn't know anything about the "neoconservative movement," which dominated the eight years of the Bush administration.

On "Meet the Press" Sunday morning, host David Gregory asked Cain who has shaped his views on foreign policy.

"I've looked at the writings of people like Amb. John Bolton," replied Cain. "I've looked at the writings of Dr. Henry Kissinger -- KT McFarland, someone I respect."

More: Herman Cain: 'I'm Not Familiar With The Neoconservative Movement'

Is Cain lying or just stupid? I think he's lying. The more I hear about him the scarier he sounds. John Bolton? Holy shit...

Lying. He's certainly not stupid. He thinks we are! But he's not.

 

[Big Fitz]

Oh this will be fun.

Why don't you prove to everyone how I'm a hypocrite.

you're here defending whining about the Kock Brothers. You going to condemn George Soros too for corrupting the political process? Or the unions? Or ACORN? Or the Clinton Foundation?

I shall wait for you to hang yourself.

Obviously voters are free to donate to any candidate or party they want. They should not be allowed to donate unlimited amounts though, as that is how elections get bought. Additionally, notice I said "voters". A company is not a voter. A business is not a voter. A union is not a voter. None of them should be allowed to donate. Period.

There's too much money in elections and not enough ideas. Get the money out and make everyone run on their ideas.

Now feel free to make something up or insult me or do whatever it is you guys do you when you get your ass handed to you.

So, I have to say I'm surprised that you would actually agree to doing so drastic. No seriously. I didn't think you'd be game for such changes. It's nice theory you laid out, except you hit two small snags. So if you iron them out, you've done the equivalent of achieving a political X Prize.

1. Money equals free speech, so you cannot tell people they cannot give to the candidate of their choice. That violates the first Amendment as interpreted by the Supreme Court. Plus campaign finance law allows for anonymous donations.

2. If you eliminate "all money" from elections save that by private donors, you are not able to fund a national campaign enough in which to get your message out as to who you are.

Money is only a symptom of the issue. The real issue isn't the money but the hidden funds like bundled money, PACs, 527's, political parties and other 'exempted' sources of money. Think about it. How much money could effectively be raised when you need hundreds of millions for presidential candidates and millions for every other candidate.

With voter participation and donorship to less than 30% of the voter population you know what you end up with? Hundreds if not thousands of candidates on local races who nobody knows anything about and is unqualified to vote for, even more than today.

My personal opinion would be to do the following.

1. Ban soft money (aka bundled/anonymous donantions) completely by campaign finance laws.
2. Allow open giving for hard money, but it must come from individuals and legal entities up to the maximum personal donation levels.
3. Mandate public donor lists be open information to all Americans through FOIA.

Do those three things and you'll dramatically decrease the corruption this nation's electoral process and expose the crooks, even if you eliminated the cap on giving.

 

[Big Fitz]

Cain is also apparently an Ayn Rand fan. Here's a picture of him with his arm around Pamela Geller of Atlas Shrugs...

Since when is being a fan of Ayn Rand a crime?

Is this a goal of yours?

Should palling around with Bloggers be a crime? Is that what you're implying?

 

[Lakhota]

Cain is also apparently an Ayn Rand fan. Here's a picture of him with his arm around Pamela Geller of Atlas Shrugs...

Since when is being a fan of Ayn Rand a crime?

Is this a goal of yours?

Should palling around with celeb-u-tards be a crime? Is that what you're implying?

It may not be a crime, but it's sure as hell un-American and un-Christian!