King Obama and his speech.

[bodecea]

I read people trying to say that Obama's speech was that of a "Leader". PLEASE! I think everyone is forgetting two things. First, Obama has been a good at making speeches throughout his political career. HEY BARACK! How about a little less talk and alot more action!
Secondly, Didn't Mccain during his presidential election campaign say to "Freeze all Spending"? Wow! Dictator King Ruler Obama... You were wrong about your crackpot ideas. So, you go to plan B. Which is to do it the way Mccain said to in the first place.
Whoever said Obama sounds like a leader and has done a good job. He just changed his attitude just recently. What did he sound like before? A weak politician? Why did we vote him in on the first place?
If he has done such a good job... Why did Obama admit that he was wrong and that he knows that the Universal Health Care idea is not popular and the people do not want it, Yet, he still jams it down our throat.
All I can say is "He better thank God he is black or he would of never made it this far with his socialistic bullc***. It's just another example of the people's stupidity to vote for the popular pick, and not the PROPER one. Hence, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger in Cali.

"King Obama"? What. You guys not getting enough mileage out of "Messiah" anymore?

 

[Dr Gregg]

More dishonesty from the right, what else to expect anymore.
He hasn't done anything? Have you been asleep the last year? He's certainly tried, but needs some cooperation in congress.

He got the stimulus package pushed through (just because you don't like it doesn't mean he didn't do anything)

Has repaired some diplomatic relationships and pulled the missile defense out of poland

He has stepped up efforts in Afghanistan, in which ground was being lost

He tirelessly as pushed for healthcare reform and brought it to the forefront, but the unified partisan republicans won't budge.

Why lie to try and get your point across unless you know you don't really have a point?

 

[Dr Gregg]

Continually amazes me the absolutely nonsense you hear what so many right wingers and Obama bashers say. I doubt many of you are as stupid as some of your points, so why do it? Why be so intellectually dishonest and make stuff up, lie, claim obama is nothing but talk,etc. I remember a few months ago the right was complaining how much obama was on TV talking about healthcare reform. complain when he's doing to much, then say he's not doing anything, all while dismissing the fact that a president is limited, he needs congress to get anything done, and the stubborn republican's can't possibly let anything get done under a democratic president. Seems they would rather have the country screwed and people suffer so they can claim their ideology is right.

It really makes you look small minded and ignorant when you put forth such nonsense, so why do it?

If you don't like a policy, rationally state why, don't just make up some stupid criticism. Really doesn't matter what obama does, they will criticize it anyway. its so pathetic, and no wonder why our country is the way it is. Way to condone the partisan nonsense that prevents any real compromise and solutions from being done. Then complain that things aren't right.

 

[Vel]

Continually amazes me the absolutely nonsense you hear what so many right wingers and Obama bashers say. I doubt many of you are as stupid as some of your points, so why do it? Why be so intellectually dishonest and make stuff up, lie, claim obama is nothing but talk,etc. I remember a few months ago the right was complaining how much obama was on TV talking about healthcare reform. complain when he's doing to much, then say he's not doing anything, all while dismissing the fact that a president is limited, he needs congress to get anything done, and the stubborn republican's can't possibly let anything get done under a democratic president. Seems they would rather have the country screwed and people suffer so they can claim their ideology is right.

It really makes you look small minded and ignorant when you put forth such nonsense, so why do it?

If you don't like a policy, rationally state why, don't just make up some stupid criticism. Really doesn't matter what obama does, they will criticize it anyway. its so pathetic, and no wonder why our country is the way it is. Way to condone the partisan nonsense that prevents any real compromise and solutions from being done. Then complain that things aren't right.

Are you really so ignorant that you can't figure out that blaming Republicans for Obama's failure to pass his health care takeover doesn't work. You'd have to be a total fucking MORON to not realize that Democrats had super-majorities in BOTH houses and didn't need a single GOP vote. Oh wait.... nevermind

 

[Vel]

cue rdean for "but.. but Democrats are too DIVERSE to expect them to agree" in 4..3...2..1

 

[Dr Gregg]

Continually amazes me the absolutely nonsense you hear what so many right wingers and Obama bashers say. I doubt many of you are as stupid as some of your points, so why do it? Why be so intellectually dishonest and make stuff up, lie, claim obama is nothing but talk,etc. I remember a few months ago the right was complaining how much obama was on TV talking about healthcare reform. complain when he's doing to much, then say he's not doing anything, all while dismissing the fact that a president is limited, he needs congress to get anything done, and the stubborn republican's can't possibly let anything get done under a democratic president. Seems they would rather have the country screwed and people suffer so they can claim their ideology is right.

It really makes you look small minded and ignorant when you put forth such nonsense, so why do it?

If you don't like a policy, rationally state why, don't just make up some stupid criticism. Really doesn't matter what obama does, they will criticize it anyway. its so pathetic, and no wonder why our country is the way it is. Way to condone the partisan nonsense that prevents any real compromise and solutions from being done. Then complain that things aren't right.

Are you really so ignorant that you can't figure out that blaming Republicans for Obama's failure to pass his health care takeover doesn't work. You'd have to be a total fucking MORON to not realize that Democrats had super-majorities in BOTH houses and didn't need a single GOP vote. Oh wait.... nevermind

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lets try it really slow. Democrats aren't partisan hacks that just fall into the party line, hence why some who disagree with other dems don't just jump in lock, step and key. Republicans vote straight with the party and never work with democrats. . So a majority doesn't mean shit, and I don't know where this "super majority" comes from. Does a repub rarely ever vote with the dems? But dems vote with republicans.

 

[sboyle24]

I read people trying to say that Obama's speech was that of a "Leader". PLEASE! I think everyone is forgetting two things. First, Obama has been a good at making speeches throughout his political career. HEY BARACK! How about a little less talk and alot more action!
Secondly, Didn't Mccain during his presidential election campaign say to "Freeze all Spending"? Wow! Dictator King Ruler Obama... You were wrong about your crackpot ideas. So, you go to plan B. Which is to do it the way Mccain said to in the first place.
Whoever said Obama sounds like a leader and has done a good job. He just changed his attitude just recently. What did he sound like before? A weak politician? Why did we vote him in on the first place?
If he has done such a good job... Why did Obama admit that he was wrong and that he knows that the Universal Health Care idea is not popular and the people do not want it, Yet, he still jams it down our throat.
All I can say is "He better thank God he is black or he would of never made it this far with his socialistic bullc***. It's just another example of the people's stupidity to vote for the popular pick, and not the PROPER one. Hence, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger in Cali.

First, you'd have to be ignoring everything that has happened for the past year to think he has done nothing.

Second, the point of the speech is to outline what is going to be done. The only thing which may be accomplished by this speech is a increased level of partisanship from the GOP (Obama is attending a retreat with GOP party leaders this weekend.) Getting things done is not what this speech can do.

 

[Conspiracist]

If McCain did suggest a freeze on government spending, it's just proof that good ideas can come from both sides of the aisle.

I thought it was the closest any president has come to calling 'Bullshit!' on the political bullshitters. Last February, he called bullshit on the corporate bullshitters... both speeches recognized the ca$h-greased bridge between the two that the lobby industry represents - my hope in change has been somewhat rekindled.

This president calling 'BULLSHIT' toward fellow political bullshitters is hilarious and you buying it saddens me. Did you not see all the clapping going on? Do you think that they clapped because he was calling them bullshitters?

You've lit your hope on wet wood.

 

[Vel]

Continually amazes me the absolutely nonsense you hear what so many right wingers and Obama bashers say. I doubt many of you are as stupid as some of your points, so why do it? Why be so intellectually dishonest and make stuff up, lie, claim obama is nothing but talk,etc. I remember a few months ago the right was complaining how much obama was on TV talking about healthcare reform. complain when he's doing to much, then say he's not doing anything, all while dismissing the fact that a president is limited, he needs congress to get anything done, and the stubborn republican's can't possibly let anything get done under a democratic president. Seems they would rather have the country screwed and people suffer so they can claim their ideology is right.

It really makes you look small minded and ignorant when you put forth such nonsense, so why do it?

If you don't like a policy, rationally state why, don't just make up some stupid criticism. Really doesn't matter what obama does, they will criticize it anyway. its so pathetic, and no wonder why our country is the way it is. Way to condone the partisan nonsense that prevents any real compromise and solutions from being done. Then complain that things aren't right.

Are you really so ignorant that you can't figure out that blaming Republicans for Obama's failure to pass his health care takeover doesn't work. You'd have to be a total fucking MORON to not realize that Democrats had super-majorities in BOTH houses and didn't need a single GOP vote. Oh wait.... nevermind

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lets try it really slow. Democrats aren't partisan hacks that just fall into the party line, hence why some who disagree with other dems don't just jump in lock, step and key. Republicans vote straight with the party and never work with democrats. . So a majority doesn't mean shit, and I don't know where this "super majority" comes from. Does a repub rarely ever vote with the dems? But dems vote with republicans.

Any more excuses as to why your guys just can't get it done? You can spin it anyway that you want to but it still comes out that Republicans had no power to obstruct anything. Dems just want to whine because, for a change, Republicans weren't stupid enough to provide them with political cover. In addition, if Democrats actually had any real core principles, they might be able to move their agenda.

 

[MaggieMae]

Welcome to USMB, Slate. Strap on your bullet proof vest, put new batteries in your bullshit detector, and we're happy for you to wade right on in.

It wasn't easy, as it was not a particularly impressive or inspiring Obama-type speech and it went way too long, but I didn't hear much in the speech other than recycled centrist campaign slogans without any real meat to back them up and some really good sounding stuff unless you realize that he didn't mean it for now but sometime in the future.

Had he gotten up there and said, okay. Here's the deal. There won't be any Federal healthcare reform other than enforce some anti-trust laws to break up some insurance company monopolies and remove restrictions so that insurance policies can be portable, and then we'll encourage the states to start their own reforms to help more people be insured. Had he said that and meant it, I would be singing his praises. Unfortunately he didn't.

Had he said that Cap & Trade is dead until there is strong, verifiable scientific evidence, something more than theory, that it will have any positive effect on the climate. We will however be focusing on a new energy policy that will include off shore and other oil exploration and drilling, nuclear, wind, solar, natural gas, and find some ways to use coal that won't harm the environment so that we will be as energy independent as we can possibly be. Had he said that and meant it, I would be singing his praises. Unfortunately he didn't.

Had he said that until this recession is over and the economy is healthy again and everybody who wants work is back to work, there will be no earmarks, no unnecessary discretionary spending of any kind, and we're going to try to save every penny that we can so that every nickle we have will be used to reduce the deficit, I would be singing his praises. Unfortunately he didn't.

Had he said that until this recession is over and the economy is healthy again and everybody who wants work is back to work, there will be no new taxes of any kind, we will at least substantially extend the Bush tax cuts or make them permanent, and we'll find some way to cut or eliminate as many capital gains and income taxes as we can responsibly do, I would be singing his praises. Unfortunately he didn't.

What he did promise was a frontal assault on the financial industry and some big corporations. what he did promise was spending a whole bunch more money that will disappear into the same rat holes as the last mega billion spending packages and did not suggest a single reform that would really have made a difference. Those I believe he will actually try to do.

But surely we can survive until November. I keep praying.

Well, let's face it, Foxy, Obama wasn't speaking just to YOU, nor just to Republicans, nor just to Democrats, nor just to liberals, nor just to pretend-we-never-heard-of-George-Bush conservatives, nor just to Tea Party Patriots, rednecks, African Americans, New England elitists. So to expect him to announce policy changes (which he is constitutionally not able to do in any event) would understandably make a whole bunch of people happy and a whole bunch of people unhappy.

He was speaking to all 305 million Americans.

 

[Dr Gregg]

Are you really so ignorant that you can't figure out that blaming Republicans for Obama's failure to pass his health care takeover doesn't work. You'd have to be a total fucking MORON to not realize that Democrats had super-majorities in BOTH houses and didn't need a single GOP vote. Oh wait.... nevermind

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lets try it really slow. Democrats aren't partisan hacks that just fall into the party line, hence why some who disagree with other dems don't just jump in lock, step and key. Republicans vote straight with the party and never work with democrats. . So a majority doesn't mean shit, and I don't know where this "super majority" comes from. Does a repub rarely ever vote with the dems? But dems vote with republicans.

Any more excuses as to why your guys just can't get it done? You can spin it anyway that you want to but it still comes out that Republicans had no power to obstruct anything. Dems just want to whine because, for a change, Republicans weren't stupid enough to provide them with political cover. In addition, if Democrats actually had any real core principles, they might be able to move their agenda.

How is it spinning anything? you are the one spinning. Just because the democrats don't jump in line and aren't as partisan as republicans, that should be a fault of theirs? How about republicans stop being so partisan and refuse to ever work with dems, like dems would with republicans? To me, that makes the republicans look worse than the democrats and must more partisan.

People are elected, obviously in theory, to represent their people and vote for what would be beneficial to them, not what's beneficial to the party. that's why US politics is fucked, this type of partisanship nonsense.
it seems to me the only core principal for republicans is jumping in line with the party, while more dems will care about their constituents.

If they got the healthcare reform passed and every dem jumped in line, you would be here complaining how they are ruining the country, or some other partisan complaint.

Doesn't matter what the dems do or don't do, partisan people will criticize them for either choice. Some "core" principles there

 

[MaggieMae]

I think we should give Obama an ultimatum, either get to work on jobs and the economy or we will take away the keys to Air Force One.

The constant mantra is "When is Obama going to do something about jobs?" I can't wait for the official announcement of a jobs program and the shrieking to begin:

"He's shoving jobs down our throats!!"

"Let the private sector hire people!! It's not the government's JOB!!"

"SOCIALISM!!!! Aargh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

 

[MaggieMae]

I think we should give Obama an ultimatum, either get to work on jobs and the economy or we will take away the keys to Air Force One.

Couldn't we just overthrow the gummit? That would be wayyy more fun!

We? Are you back living in the country? If you were a part of subversion against the United States of America operating out of the UK, you might be held as a foreign terrorist, or a citizen terrorist and do prison time just like Jose Padilla.

The Constitution - Article III

Section 3.
Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort.

 

[Vel]

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lets try it really slow. Democrats aren't partisan hacks that just fall into the party line, hence why some who disagree with other dems don't just jump in lock, step and key. Republicans vote straight with the party and never work with democrats. . So a majority doesn't mean shit, and I don't know where this "super majority" comes from. Does a repub rarely ever vote with the dems? But dems vote with republicans.

Any more excuses as to why your guys just can't get it done? You can spin it anyway that you want to but it still comes out that Republicans had no power to obstruct anything. Dems just want to whine because, for a change, Republicans weren't stupid enough to provide them with political cover. In addition, if Democrats actually had any real core principles, they might be able to move their agenda.

How is it spinning anything? you are the one spinning. Just because the democrats don't jump in line and aren't as partisan as republicans, that should be a fault of theirs? How about republicans stop being so partisan and refuse to ever work with dems, like dems would with republicans? To me, that makes the republicans look worse than the democrats and must more partisan.

People are elected, obviously in theory, to represent their people and vote for what would be beneficial to them, not what's beneficial to the party. that's why US politics is fucked, this type of partisanship nonsense.
it seems to me the only core principal for republicans is jumping in line with the party, while more dems will care about their constituents.

If they got the healthcare reform passed and every dem jumped in line, you would be here complaining how they are ruining the country, or some other partisan complaint.

Doesn't matter what the dems do or don't do, partisan people will criticize them for either choice. Some "core" principles there

Look, I can tell that this is tough for you to understand, but not everyone is willing to compromise their principles like Ben Nelson. And btw, every dem had finally jumped in line ( been sufficiently bought off ) but that pesky Mass. election got in their way.

 

[Dr Gregg]

Any more excuses as to why your guys just can't get it done? You can spin it anyway that you want to but it still comes out that Republicans had no power to obstruct anything. Dems just want to whine because, for a change, Republicans weren't stupid enough to provide them with political cover. In addition, if Democrats actually had any real core principles, they might be able to move their agenda.

How is it spinning anything? you are the one spinning. Just because the democrats don't jump in line and aren't as partisan as republicans, that should be a fault of theirs? How about republicans stop being so partisan and refuse to ever work with dems, like dems would with republicans? To me, that makes the republicans look worse than the democrats and must more partisan.

People are elected, obviously in theory, to represent their people and vote for what would be beneficial to them, not what's beneficial to the party. that's why US politics is fucked, this type of partisanship nonsense.
it seems to me the only core principal for republicans is jumping in line with the party, while more dems will care about their constituents.

If they got the healthcare reform passed and every dem jumped in line, you would be here complaining how they are ruining the country, or some other partisan complaint.

Doesn't matter what the dems do or don't do, partisan people will criticize them for either choice. Some "core" principles there

Look, I can tell that this is tough for you to understand, but not everyone is willing to compromise their principles like Ben Nelson. And btw, every dem had finally jumped in line ( been sufficiently bought off ) but that pesky Mass. election got in their way.

Yeah, because a lot of people are stubborn, closeminded jerks. Sorry, I don't consider that to be a noble cause anyway, being so rooted in principle as to not compromise and never see the other side and try to meet them half way. This is a country with all different kinds of beliefs, cultures, etc so compromise is the only way.

To me that's a pretty deplorable stance, "I;m not going to bend" but then expect the other side to. and people wonder why politics in this country is frustrating and things that actually don't matter never happen. But thanks for admitting that republicans are stubborn and close minded. And you wonder why obama can't get anything done?

But then again, if he did get health reform passed, you'd be hear bitching about it

 

[Dr Gregg]

Look, I can tell that this is tough for you to understand, but not everyone is willing to compromise their principles like Ben Nelson. And btw, every dem had finally jumped in line ( been sufficiently bought off ) but that pesky Mass. election got in their way.

Funny, you claim "bought off". No, they actually compromised, something republicans apparently can't do. You know, in the real world, that's how things get done.

 

[Foxfyre]

Welcome to USMB, Slate. Strap on your bullet proof vest, put new batteries in your bullshit detector, and we're happy for you to wade right on in.

It wasn't easy, as it was not a particularly impressive or inspiring Obama-type speech and it went way too long, but I didn't hear much in the speech other than recycled centrist campaign slogans without any real meat to back them up and some really good sounding stuff unless you realize that he didn't mean it for now but sometime in the future.

Had he gotten up there and said, okay. Here's the deal. There won't be any Federal healthcare reform other than enforce some anti-trust laws to break up some insurance company monopolies and remove restrictions so that insurance policies can be portable, and then we'll encourage the states to start their own reforms to help more people be insured. Had he said that and meant it, I would be singing his praises. Unfortunately he didn't.

Had he said that Cap & Trade is dead until there is strong, verifiable scientific evidence, something more than theory, that it will have any positive effect on the climate. We will however be focusing on a new energy policy that will include off shore and other oil exploration and drilling, nuclear, wind, solar, natural gas, and find some ways to use coal that won't harm the environment so that we will be as energy independent as we can possibly be. Had he said that and meant it, I would be singing his praises. Unfortunately he didn't.

Had he said that until this recession is over and the economy is healthy again and everybody who wants work is back to work, there will be no earmarks, no unnecessary discretionary spending of any kind, and we're going to try to save every penny that we can so that every nickle we have will be used to reduce the deficit, I would be singing his praises. Unfortunately he didn't.

Had he said that until this recession is over and the economy is healthy again and everybody who wants work is back to work, there will be no new taxes of any kind, we will at least substantially extend the Bush tax cuts or make them permanent, and we'll find some way to cut or eliminate as many capital gains and income taxes as we can responsibly do, I would be singing his praises. Unfortunately he didn't.

What he did promise was a frontal assault on the financial industry and some big corporations. what he did promise was spending a whole bunch more money that will disappear into the same rat holes as the last mega billion spending packages and did not suggest a single reform that would really have made a difference. Those I believe he will actually try to do.

But surely we can survive until November. I keep praying.

Well, let's face it, Foxy, Obama wasn't speaking just to YOU, nor just to Republicans, nor just to Democrats, nor just to liberals, nor just to pretend-we-never-heard-of-George-Bush conservatives, nor just to Tea Party Patriots, rednecks, African Americans, New England elitists. So to expect him to announce policy changes (which he is constitutionally not able to do in any event) would understandably make a whole bunch of people happy and a whole bunch of people unhappy.

He was speaking to all 305 million Americans.

I know you believe that Maggie, but I don't. I don't think he was speaking to all 305 million Americans at all. I think he was speaking to reassure the kool-ade crowd and maybe snooker back in some of the unintentionally gullible souls who bought into his hype and voted for him, but who are now having second thoughts.

This was a speech to shore up his poll numbers and I think can be trusted as absolutely nothing more than that.

So, I can still dream about what I wish he had said. What I wish he had meant. Who I wish he was. But he didn't. And he isn't. And I have accepted that.

 

[MaggieMae]

Thanks Rockwell

It was a splendid speech. We need to start working together again......there are things bigger than politics


God Bless America!

Yes, I saw how they worked together yesterday RAISING the debt ceiling by another 1.9 trillion dollars on a strict party line vote.They were in a big big hurry to do that before they seated Scott Brown from Massachusetts who would have forced some serious budget cuts to go along with the raise.

The thing that is most amazing is the amazing disconnect in Obama's rhetoric vs the probable outcome. For isntance he said previously that they would pay for the healthcare overhaul, among other ways, by eliminating all the waste and graft that exists within Medicare and Medicaid (i.e. that part of the healthcare system that the government now runs.) If he can do that, why isn't it being done now? Why wait for a healthcare overhaul?
They are. I just randomly picked a few:

Task force uncovers $50M in alleged Medicare fraud; 53 arrested

MEDICARE FRAUD STRIKE FORCE INDICTS EIGHT MIAMI-DADE RESIDENTS FOR AIDS/HIV INFUSION FRAUD

MEDICARE'S MOST WANTED - MEDICARE FRAUD HEADLINE NEWS

Medicare Fraud Strike Force Operations Lead to Charges Against 32 Doctors and Health Care - talk.politics.medicine | Google Groups

He said in the SOTU that he was recommending freezing spending, but it wouldn't be done until next year as 'that is how budgeting works'. Baloney. What good does it do to freeze spending next year--anybody who believes that will happen with this bunch after a general election is a soft touch for bridge salesmen--if they continue to authorize mega billions more spending for whatever now?
We're already operating on the 2010 budget, that's why.

His magnanimous tax cuts for small business are just fine and dandy except that he won't give them to those businesses that are actually strong enough to hire people and issue subcontracts because any making $250,000 or more won't get them. Anything under that is probably one or two-man operations.
Small businesses are now reduced to two-man operations? My my, what a switch from the screeching that "Small businesses are the ones that create the most jobs and they should be given all the tax breaks!!!"

The kool-ade drinkers continue to grovel at his feet. Thank God for the tea partiers, tax protesters, and others who honestly love and want to save this country.
That kind of comment is what is extremely insulting, and why YOU PEOPLE, while you may gain some traction, will never "win" the hearts and minds of the American people for any length of time. And why is that? Because most Americans are honest, law-abiding, hard-working people who love their country and don't believe it's necessary to be defined by one political corner in order to express that, like you do. An American doesn't need to be a "conservative" and placed in the RED box in order to prove we love our country.

They aren't buying the hype any more and are demanding real solutions, not propaganda that smoke screens a much different and much more insidious agenda. Will they prevail come November? We can sure hope.

Your answer to the country's problems is to sit around and bitch. Get out there and try to help by being part of the solution instead of constantly being part of (correction, MOST OF) the problem.

 

[MaggieMae]

Continually amazes me the absolutely nonsense you hear what so many right wingers and Obama bashers say. I doubt many of you are as stupid as some of your points, so why do it? Why be so intellectually dishonest and make stuff up, lie, claim obama is nothing but talk,etc. I remember a few months ago the right was complaining how much obama was on TV talking about healthcare reform. complain when he's doing to much, then say he's not doing anything, all while dismissing the fact that a president is limited, he needs congress to get anything done, and the stubborn republican's can't possibly let anything get done under a democratic president. Seems they would rather have the country screwed and people suffer so they can claim their ideology is right.

It really makes you look small minded and ignorant when you put forth such nonsense, so why do it?

If you don't like a policy, rationally state why, don't just make up some stupid criticism. Really doesn't matter what obama does, they will criticize it anyway. its so pathetic, and no wonder why our country is the way it is. Way to condone the partisan nonsense that prevents any real compromise and solutions from being done. Then complain that things aren't right.

That's pretty much what Obama said to the group of Republicans holding a "retreat" to decide what to do about him. He basically said quitcherbitchen, filling the airwaves with campaign talking points aimed at attacking him, and to start helping instead of hindering.

 

[MaggieMae]

Continually amazes me the absolutely nonsense you hear what so many right wingers and Obama bashers say. I doubt many of you are as stupid as some of your points, so why do it? Why be so intellectually dishonest and make stuff up, lie, claim obama is nothing but talk,etc. I remember a few months ago the right was complaining how much obama was on TV talking about healthcare reform. complain when he's doing to much, then say he's not doing anything, all while dismissing the fact that a president is limited, he needs congress to get anything done, and the stubborn republican's can't possibly let anything get done under a democratic president. Seems they would rather have the country screwed and people suffer so they can claim their ideology is right.

It really makes you look small minded and ignorant when you put forth such nonsense, so why do it?

If you don't like a policy, rationally state why, don't just make up some stupid criticism. Really doesn't matter what obama does, they will criticize it anyway. its so pathetic, and no wonder why our country is the way it is. Way to condone the partisan nonsense that prevents any real compromise and solutions from being done. Then complain that things aren't right.

Are you really so ignorant that you can't figure out that blaming Republicans for Obama's failure to pass his health care takeover doesn't work. You'd have to be a total fucking MORON to not realize that Democrats had super-majorities in BOTH houses and didn't need a single GOP vote. Oh wait.... nevermind

Bingo! So there goes that "HE'S SHOVING IT DOWN OUR THROATS" argument you all have been screaming for months now. He has no intention of shoving anything down your throats, so you'll have to move on to something else. Wait, I know! How about his use of a teleprompter? Yeah, that one always gets at least 50 hits in a thread! Not using a teleprompter is surely the way out of the recession, don't you agree?