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Hagbard Celine said:Well, the question is what right do you have to make assumptions about another person's kid? Some might want you to have an opinion on their kid, but many, many people would not. I knew somebody was going to pose the hypothetical "why don't I just kill my daughter because she inconveniences me?" But I can retort with an argument that pro-lifers usually use.
In car accidents where a pregnant woman's fetus is killed, the offending driver is charged with infanticide. Well, you might be asking yourself "Self, why is it considered "infanticide" in car accidents, but not in abortions?" The difference is that aborted fetuses are unwanted by the parents, i.e. the people who created the fetus do not want it. But a woman carrying a baby would usually only be carrying because she wanted the baby. If a third party, outside of the fetus' creators kills the fetus, it's infanticide because that third party had no right to determine the fetus' future. Do you see the distinction?
Now when you look at the issue like this, you can see that society over-all views fetus' rights individually depending on how its parents do. Society agrees for the most part that when you are born, you become a genuine member of the human race and you become a citizen of whichever country you were born into. So your "kill my daughter" argument doesn't fly because killing her would just be plain murder because she has already been born. A fetus' right to life is dependent on what its parents feel and cannot be dictated by any third party because only the creators have the right to make a decision regarding its future.
manu1959 said:i understand.....my dad's family are long time reno and carson valley folks....great grand parents lived in an olde stone shack out by carson city.....i am considered a left wing radical by thier standards
Mr. P said:Ahhhhh, so we spun another Anti Abortion thread from a totally unrelated thread, how nice!
Have any of you folks ever seen a dog chase its tail around in a circle? That what you all look like.
Some of you scare me just as much as the extreame left does.
AND I MEAN THAT.
your argument and comparatives have nothing to do with the issue...the issue is..... is aborting a fetus morally wrong and should it be leagally available
the pro choice folks simply want the ability to correct a series of mistakes with no consequence....the pro life folks simply want people to bring the child into the world
Mr. P said:Ahhhhh, so we spun another Anti Abortion thread from a totally unrelated thread, how nice!
Have any of you folks ever seen a dog chase its tail around in a circle? That what you all look like.
Some of you scare me just as much as the extreame left does.
AND I MEAN THAT.
Why are so many libs all for killing unborn babies and the terminally ill, but they can't handle killing armed terrorists and murderers on death row? Put another way, why is killing the innocent right, and killing the guilty, wrong?
Apart from the same old arguments about "choice", etc., it seems that if you are such a pacifist that you abhor war and the death penalty, you would be even more aghast at killing the innocent.
Hagbard Celine said:Well, the question is what right do you have to make assumptions about another person's kid? Some might want you to have an opinion on their kid, but many, many people would not. I knew somebody was going to pose the hypothetical "why don't I just kill my daughter because she inconveniences me?" But I can retort with an argument that pro-lifers usually use.
In car accidents where a pregnant woman's fetus is killed, the offending driver is charged with infanticide. Well, you might be asking yourself "Self, why is it considered "infanticide" in car accidents, but not in abortions?" The difference is that aborted fetuses are unwanted by the parents, i.e. the people who created the fetus do not want it. But a woman carrying a baby would usually only be carrying because she wanted the baby. If a third party, outside of the fetus' creators kills the fetus, it's infanticide because that third party had no right to determine the fetus' future. Do you see the distinction?
Now when you look at the issue like this, you can see that society over-all views fetus' rights individually depending on how its parents do. Society agrees for the most part that when you are born, you become a genuine member of the human race and you become a citizen of whichever country you were born into. So your "kill my daughter" argument doesn't fly because killing her would just be plain murder because she has already been born. A fetus' right to life is dependent on what its parents feel and cannot be dictated by any third party because only the creators have the right to make a decision regarding its future.
archangel said:the old stone adobe in Carson Valley eh...a mansion by old and maybe new standards...if so ya come from good stock...what happened...Berkley maybe?
Donno, Ask a Lib.manu1959 said:original question:
Simple question, based on debates in a couple of other threads:
Why are so many libs all for killing unborn babies and the terminally ill, but they can't handle killing armed terrorists and murderers on death row? Put another way, why is killing the innocent right, and killing the guilty, wrong?
Apart from the same old arguments about "choice", etc., it seems that if you are such a pacifist that you abhor war and the death penalty, you would be even more aghast at killing the innocent.
she used the term unborn babies.....
Hagbard Celine said:This can easily be turned around. Why are so many conservatives who claim to be "pro-life" for the execution of prisoners, especially when there have been cases of innocent people being executed?
manu1959 said:no no no not the stone adobe....it is a one room river rock shake right along the creek along the old carson road....my dad and uncle are burried there in a family plot....not berkely...i just have a tollerant moral centre.....drives em nuts...i am extreamly conservative but what other people do i could care less....live and let live if you will but be responsible and accountable for your actions.....
Mr. P said:Donno, Ask a Lib.
I the same spirt, why are so many right wingers hell bent on FORCING their
beleifs of right and wrong on others?
Two way street..
Hagbard Celine said:This can easily be turned around. Why are so many conservatives who claim to be "pro-life" for the execution of prisoners, especially when there have been cases of innocent people being executed?
archangel said:one room river shack on old Carson Road...not the adobe in the Carson Valley...maybe a uncle lived there? Genoa rings a bell...!
manu1959 said:family name was saur....german FOB....their daughter married into the fry family....attorneys and politicians
Can't Arch..39 threads and 500 posts on this board about abortion..It's an Obsession for some and never goes anywhere. The dog goes round an round.archangel said:the 'shear' pin on your tail rotor is going to blow...lighten up chopper dude!
Mr. P said:Can't Arch..39 threads and 500 posts on this board about abortion..It's an Obsession for some and never goes anywhere. The dog goes round an round.
archangel said:It's only a obsession with the 'Ultra Libs' they keep bringing it up..and the conservatives keepa' spanking them...thats all!
