Kiev can’t keep still about MH-17 Crash for ever

[John McWrice]

Over the last two years since Flight MH-17 crash in Donbass even the most unsophisticated individuals have understood that neither Ukraine nor the West want conclusion of the investigation. Indeed, it became a way to discredit to Russia in the eyes of international community. So, only true conclusion of true investigation can stop such conjectures and put everyone who withheld the information – Kiev authorities, Dutch officials and former US administration - in the dock.

However, now the situation can be changed to the point that the investigation will be reopened – all depends on President Trump’s Administration. Besides, on January 31, a group of Dutch activists addressed a letter (http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2017/01/dutch-parliamentary-hopeful-signs-letter-to-trump-urging-new-mh17-probe/ ) to the US President urging him to start a new probe. The letter was signed by 26 persons including German journalist Billy Six, his Dutch counterpart Joost Niemoller and Dutch parliamentary Thierry Baudet who said that there were still unanswered questions about the disaster.

If the new US Administration decides to demand a new inquiry, the reaction of Ukraine will show it involvement to MH-17 crash. Considering that Kiev hinders activities of independent journalists and even facilitates their detainment, it reaction will be quite negative. This is because too many facts are to be explained…

 

[tinydancer]

There is a history here. A passenger plane was shot down before. Siberia Airlines Flight 1812.

The Ukrainians shot down the Russian plane in 2001. They claimed it was accidental.

 

[Camp]

Putin rejected a resolution in the UN Security Council in July of 2015 for an official internationally sanctioned investigation of the shootdown of MH-17. It would have required Russia to allow questioning of identified key suspects in the Russian military and intelligence service, access to eye witnesses in Russian-controlled areas of Ukraine and Russian controlled rebels in Ukraine.

 

[Tehon]

Putin rejected a resolution in the UN Security Council in July of 2015 for an official internationally sanctioned investigation of the shootdown of MH-17. It would have required Russia to allow questioning of identified key suspects in the Russian military and intelligence service, access to eye witnesses in Russian-controlled areas of Ukraine and Russian controlled rebels in Ukraine.

The US doesn't accept the jurisdiction of the ICC over its affairs. Why is that?

 

[John McWrice]

Putin rejected a resolution in the UN Security Council in July of 2015 for an official internationally sanctioned investigation of the shootdown of MH-17. It would have required Russia to allow questioning of identified key suspects in the Russian military and intelligence service, access to eye witnesses in Russian-controlled areas of Ukraine and Russian controlled rebels in Ukraine.

So why Ukraine didn't reveal the names of these suspects? Maybe it will be quite difficult to prove their guilt in REAL Court - face to face with Russia?

 

[Camp]

Putin rejected a resolution in the UN Security Council in July of 2015 for an official internationally sanctioned investigation of the shootdown of MH-17. It would have required Russia to allow questioning of identified key suspects in the Russian military and intelligence service, access to eye witnesses in Russian-controlled areas of Ukraine and Russian controlled rebels in Ukraine.

So why Ukraine didn't reveal the names of these suspects? Maybe it will be quite difficult to prove their guilt in REAL Court - face to face with Russia?

The names are revealed in the Dutch report and other sources. It is the Russians who have blocked them from being questioned in a real court.

 

[John McWrice]

Putin rejected a resolution in the UN Security Council in July of 2015 for an official internationally sanctioned investigation of the shootdown of MH-17. It would have required Russia to allow questioning of identified key suspects in the Russian military and intelligence service, access to eye witnesses in Russian-controlled areas of Ukraine and Russian controlled rebels in Ukraine.

So why Ukraine didn't reveal the names of these suspects? Maybe it will be quite difficult to prove their guilt in REAL Court - face to face with Russia?

The names are revealed in the Dutch report and other sources. It is the Russians who have blocked them from being questioned in a real court.

Really???)) so maybe you will show us this part of Dutch report? with these NAMES? or this part is like Obama's evidences which nobody have ever seen?

 

[Camp]

Putin rejected a resolution in the UN Security Council in July of 2015 for an official internationally sanctioned investigation of the shootdown of MH-17. It would have required Russia to allow questioning of identified key suspects in the Russian military and intelligence service, access to eye witnesses in Russian-controlled areas of Ukraine and Russian controlled rebels in Ukraine.

So why Ukraine didn't reveal the names of these suspects? Maybe it will be quite difficult to prove their guilt in REAL Court - face to face with Russia?

The names are revealed in the Dutch report and other sources. It is the Russians who have blocked them from being questioned in a real court.

Really???)) so maybe you will show us this part of Dutch report? with these NAMES? or this part is like Obama's evidences which nobody have ever seen?

Here is a more precise list and detailed investigation that pinpoints the actual Russian unit and soldiers that need to be questioned and were probably responsible for the shootdown.

www.bellingcat.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/53rd-report-public.pdf

 

[John McWrice]

Putin rejected a resolution in the UN Security Council in July of 2015 for an official internationally sanctioned investigation of the shootdown of MH-17. It would have required Russia to allow questioning of identified key suspects in the Russian military and intelligence service, access to eye witnesses in Russian-controlled areas of Ukraine and Russian controlled rebels in Ukraine.

So why Ukraine didn't reveal the names of these suspects? Maybe it will be quite difficult to prove their guilt in REAL Court - face to face with Russia?

The names are revealed in the Dutch report and other sources. It is the Russians who have blocked them from being questioned in a real court.

Really???)) so maybe you will show us this part of Dutch report? with these NAMES? or this part is like Obama's evidences which nobody have ever seen?

Here is a more precise list and detailed investigation that pinpoints the actual Russian unit and soldiers that need to be questioned and were probably responsible for the shootdown.

www.bellingcat.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/53rd-report-public.pdf

bellingcat?????))))) man, are you serious?)))) who is BELLINGCATex-sailesman of underwears?)) only stupid asshole can eat his shit! and what about REAL PROOFS?! what about Dutch report and JIT work made by ADULTS, not nerds from social networks?

 

[Camp]

Putin rejected a resolution in the UN Security Council in July of 2015 for an official internationally sanctioned investigation of the shootdown of MH-17. It would have required Russia to allow questioning of identified key suspects in the Russian military and intelligence service, access to eye witnesses in Russian-controlled areas of Ukraine and Russian controlled rebels in Ukraine.

So why Ukraine didn't reveal the names of these suspects? Maybe it will be quite difficult to prove their guilt in REAL Court - face to face with Russia?

The names are revealed in the Dutch report and other sources. It is the Russians who have blocked them from being questioned in a real court.

Really???)) so maybe you will show us this part of Dutch report? with these NAMES? or this part is like Obama's evidences which nobody have ever seen?

Here is a more precise list and detailed investigation that pinpoints the actual Russian unit and soldiers that need to be questioned and were probably responsible for the shootdown.

www.bellingcat.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/53rd-report-public.pdf

bellingcat?????))))) man, are you serious?)))) who is BELLINGCATex-sailesman of underwears?)) only stupid asshole can eat his shit! and what about REAL PROOFS?! what about Dutch report and JIT work made by ADULTS, not nerds from social networks?

Do you mean this JIT report? It confirms the Bellingcat investigation, particularly the BUK being transported from Russia to the launch site in Ukraine? It also confirms the need to question the witnesses made unavailable by Russia. If you want to skip the bulk of the report you can find this in sections IV and V, but you may want to educate yourself and read the whole report.

www.om.nl/onderwerpen/mh17-vliegramp/presentaties/presentation-joint/

See if this isn't "adult" enough.

 

[John McWrice]

So why Ukraine didn't reveal the names of these suspects? Maybe it will be quite difficult to prove their guilt in REAL Court - face to face with Russia?

The names are revealed in the Dutch report and other sources. It is the Russians who have blocked them from being questioned in a real court.

Really???)) so maybe you will show us this part of Dutch report? with these NAMES? or this part is like Obama's evidences which nobody have ever seen?

Here is a more precise list and detailed investigation that pinpoints the actual Russian unit and soldiers that need to be questioned and were probably responsible for the shootdown.

www.bellingcat.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/53rd-report-public.pdf

bellingcat?????))))) man, are you serious?)))) who is BELLINGCATex-sailesman of underwears?)) only stupid asshole can eat his shit! and what about REAL PROOFS?! what about Dutch report and JIT work made by ADULTS, not nerds from social networks?

Do you mean this JIT report? It confirms the Bellingcat investigation, particularly the BUK being transported from Russia to the launch site in Ukraine? It also confirms the need to question the witnesses made unavailable by Russia. If you want to skip the bulk of the report you can find this in sections IV and V, but you may want to educate yourself and read the whole report.

www.om.nl/onderwerpen/mh17-vliegramp/presentaties/presentation-joint/

See if this isn't "adult" enough.

That's what I wrote about! This is NOT investigation. This is BULLSHIT comedy. They didn't connect with Ukrainian or Russian military, they didn't want to connect with producer of BUK weapon, they didn't use radar data. They ARRESTED journalist who FOUND that there are still many peaces of plane in the place of catastrophe!!! they took and hide their video materials! But they use PICTURES from SOCIAL NETWORKS made by EX-SAILESMAN OF UNDERWEARS!!!)))) it is a giant bullshit!

 

[Camp]

The names are revealed in the Dutch report and other sources. It is the Russians who have blocked them from being questioned in a real court.

Really???)) so maybe you will show us this part of Dutch report? with these NAMES? or this part is like Obama's evidences which nobody have ever seen?

Here is a more precise list and detailed investigation that pinpoints the actual Russian unit and soldiers that need to be questioned and were probably responsible for the shootdown.

www.bellingcat.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/53rd-report-public.pdf

bellingcat?????))))) man, are you serious?)))) who is BELLINGCATex-sailesman of underwears?)) only stupid asshole can eat his shit! and what about REAL PROOFS?! what about Dutch report and JIT work made by ADULTS, not nerds from social networks?

Do you mean this JIT report? It confirms the Bellingcat investigation, particularly the BUK being transported from Russia to the launch site in Ukraine? It also confirms the need to question the witnesses made unavailable by Russia. If you want to skip the bulk of the report you can find this in sections IV and V, but you may want to educate yourself and read the whole report.

www.om.nl/onderwerpen/mh17-vliegramp/presentaties/presentation-joint/

See if this isn't "adult" enough.

That's what I wrote about! This is NOT investigation. This is BULLSHIT comedy. They didn't connect with Ukrainian or Russian military, they didn't want to connect with producer of BUK weapon, they didn't use radar data. They ARRESTED journalist who FOUND that there are still many peaces of plane in the place of catastrophe!!! they took and hide their video materials! But they use PICTURES from SOCIAL NETWORKS made by EX-SAILESMAN OF UNDERWEARS!!!)))) it is a giant bullshit!

The giant bullshit is coming from you. You did not like the method used by Bellingcat to conduct its investigation. Yes, they use photo's from regular citizens on social networks to show the movement of Russian equipment as it moved from locations in Russia to the launch site in Ukraine. These photos were not taken as part an investigation by Bellingcat or part of a conspiracy. They were taken by regular people because it was odd and unique to see this kind of military equipment passing through their towns and the photos were and then uploaded onto various social network sites. Bellingcat searched those sites to compile the record of movement used in their investigation. That is explained in the link I provided.

You do not like the method, that is OK, but the JIT investigation was an official investigation by multiple nations. That investigation in large part independently supports the Bellingcat investigation. You can completely ignore the Bellingcat investigation and the link I provided, but the JIT Report stands by itself and says the same thing.

So, I provided sources and links to support my posting and you have not. Now it is your turn to provide sources and links to your own postings with your propagandized version of your postings.

 

[Tehon]

 

[Camp]

[QUOTE="Tehon, post: 16524791, member: 54903"/QUOTE]

Same challenge goes out to you Tehon. Can you provide sources and links to your postings? Let's see who the amateur is.

 

[Tehon]

[QUOTE="Tehon, post: 16524791, member: 54903"/QUOTE]

Same challenge goes out to you Tehon. Can you provide sources and links to your postings? Let's see who the amateur is.

The onus isn't on me, it is on the USG. They made the claim. What has been presented here is laughable. Amazing considering the quickness with which the USG assigned culpability.

 

[John McWrice]

Really???)) so maybe you will show us this part of Dutch report? with these NAMES? or this part is like Obama's evidences which nobody have ever seen?

Here is a more precise list and detailed investigation that pinpoints the actual Russian unit and soldiers that need to be questioned and were probably responsible for the shootdown.

www.bellingcat.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/53rd-report-public.pdf

bellingcat?????))))) man, are you serious?)))) who is BELLINGCATex-sailesman of underwears?)) only stupid asshole can eat his shit! and what about REAL PROOFS?! what about Dutch report and JIT work made by ADULTS, not nerds from social networks?

Do you mean this JIT report? It confirms the Bellingcat investigation, particularly the BUK being transported from Russia to the launch site in Ukraine? It also confirms the need to question the witnesses made unavailable by Russia. If you want to skip the bulk of the report you can find this in sections IV and V, but you may want to educate yourself and read the whole report.

www.om.nl/onderwerpen/mh17-vliegramp/presentaties/presentation-joint/

See if this isn't "adult" enough.

That's what I wrote about! This is NOT investigation. This is BULLSHIT comedy. They didn't connect with Ukrainian or Russian military, they didn't want to connect with producer of BUK weapon, they didn't use radar data. They ARRESTED journalist who FOUND that there are still many peaces of plane in the place of catastrophe!!! they took and hide their video materials! But they use PICTURES from SOCIAL NETWORKS made by EX-SAILESMAN OF UNDERWEARS!!!)))) it is a giant bullshit!

The giant bullshit is coming from you. You did not like the method used by Bellingcat to conduct its investigation. Yes, they use photo's from regular citizens on social networks to show the movement of Russian equipment as it moved from locations in Russia to the launch site in Ukraine. These photos were not taken as part an investigation by Bellingcat or part of a conspiracy. They were taken by regular people because it was odd and unique to see this kind of military equipment passing through their towns and the photos were and then uploaded onto various social network sites. Bellingcat searched those sites to compile the record of movement used in their investigation. That is explained in the link I provided.

You do not like the method, that is OK, but the JIT investigation was an official investigation by multiple nations. That investigation in large part independently supports the Bellingcat investigation. You can completely ignore the Bellingcat investigation and the link I provided, but the JIT Report stands by itself and says the same thing.

So, I provided sources and links to support my posting and you have not. Now it is your turn to provide sources and links to your own postings with your propagandized version of your postings.

Method???)))oh, God, this world becomes insane... It will be so funny when you appear in the court and you will be jailed cause of PICTURES FROM SN)))) it is NEW ERA of jurisprudence, dude))) All of this bullshit which will NEVER end has been continuing for about 3 (!!!) years! Do you know, why? Cause while it is continuing the politicoes can blame Russia and keep sanctions against Moscow. And sanctions is not weapon against Russians - it is weapon against weak economics of some European countries. Then it helps to keep war-hysteria and "Russian treat" for Europe - and nobody can stop state military corporations to take more money from tax-payers for "defence against Russia". Do you know how much does one F-35 fighter cost? MORE than its model in the same size made of GOLD!) continue to pay your taxes))) and believe in pictures from SN))))

 

[Camp]

Here is a more precise list and detailed investigation that pinpoints the actual Russian unit and soldiers that need to be questioned and were probably responsible for the shootdown.

www.bellingcat.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/53rd-report-public.pdf

bellingcat?????))))) man, are you serious?)))) who is BELLINGCATex-sailesman of underwears?)) only stupid asshole can eat his shit! and what about REAL PROOFS?! what about Dutch report and JIT work made by ADULTS, not nerds from social networks?

Do you mean this JIT report? It confirms the Bellingcat investigation, particularly the BUK being transported from Russia to the launch site in Ukraine? It also confirms the need to question the witnesses made unavailable by Russia. If you want to skip the bulk of the report you can find this in sections IV and V, but you may want to educate yourself and read the whole report.

www.om.nl/onderwerpen/mh17-vliegramp/presentaties/presentation-joint/

See if this isn't "adult" enough.

That's what I wrote about! This is NOT investigation. This is BULLSHIT comedy. They didn't connect with Ukrainian or Russian military, they didn't want to connect with producer of BUK weapon, they didn't use radar data. They ARRESTED journalist who FOUND that there are still many peaces of plane in the place of catastrophe!!! they took and hide their video materials! But they use PICTURES from SOCIAL NETWORKS made by EX-SAILESMAN OF UNDERWEARS!!!)))) it is a giant bullshit!

The giant bullshit is coming from you. You did not like the method used by Bellingcat to conduct its investigation. Yes, they use photo's from regular citizens on social networks to show the movement of Russian equipment as it moved from locations in Russia to the launch site in Ukraine. These photos were not taken as part an investigation by Bellingcat or part of a conspiracy. They were taken by regular people because it was odd and unique to see this kind of military equipment passing through their towns and the photos were and then uploaded onto various social network sites. Bellingcat searched those sites to compile the record of movement used in their investigation. That is explained in the link I provided.

You do not like the method, that is OK, but the JIT investigation was an official investigation by multiple nations. That investigation in large part independently supports the Bellingcat investigation. You can completely ignore the Bellingcat investigation and the link I provided, but the JIT Report stands by itself and says the same thing.

So, I provided sources and links to support my posting and you have not. Now it is your turn to provide sources and links to your own postings with your propagandized version of your postings.

Method???)))oh, God, this world becomes insane... It will be so funny when you appear in the court and you will be jailed cause of PICTURES FROM SN)))) it is NEW ERA of jurisprudence, dude))) All of this bullshit which will NEVER end has been continuing for about 3 (!!!) years! Do you know, why? Cause while it is continuing the politicoes can blame Russia and keep sanctions against Moscow. And sanctions is not weapon against Russians - it is weapon against weak economics of some European countries. Then it helps to keep war-hysteria and "Russian treat" for Europe - and nobody can stop state military corporations to take more money from tax-payers for "defence against Russia". Do you know how much does one F-35 fighter cost? MORE than its model in the same size made of GOLD!) continue to pay your taxes))) and believe in pictures from SN))))

You did not have to use all those words. You could have just said you could not back up your bullshit and were talking out of your ass.

 

[John McWrice]

bellingcat?????))))) man, are you serious?)))) who is BELLINGCATex-sailesman of underwears?)) only stupid asshole can eat his shit! and what about REAL PROOFS?! what about Dutch report and JIT work made by ADULTS, not nerds from social networks?

Do you mean this JIT report? It confirms the Bellingcat investigation, particularly the BUK being transported from Russia to the launch site in Ukraine? It also confirms the need to question the witnesses made unavailable by Russia. If you want to skip the bulk of the report you can find this in sections IV and V, but you may want to educate yourself and read the whole report.

www.om.nl/onderwerpen/mh17-vliegramp/presentaties/presentation-joint/

See if this isn't "adult" enough.

That's what I wrote about! This is NOT investigation. This is BULLSHIT comedy. They didn't connect with Ukrainian or Russian military, they didn't want to connect with producer of BUK weapon, they didn't use radar data. They ARRESTED journalist who FOUND that there are still many peaces of plane in the place of catastrophe!!! they took and hide their video materials! But they use PICTURES from SOCIAL NETWORKS made by EX-SAILESMAN OF UNDERWEARS!!!)))) it is a giant bullshit!

The giant bullshit is coming from you. You did not like the method used by Bellingcat to conduct its investigation. Yes, they use photo's from regular citizens on social networks to show the movement of Russian equipment as it moved from locations in Russia to the launch site in Ukraine. These photos were not taken as part an investigation by Bellingcat or part of a conspiracy. They were taken by regular people because it was odd and unique to see this kind of military equipment passing through their towns and the photos were and then uploaded onto various social network sites. Bellingcat searched those sites to compile the record of movement used in their investigation. That is explained in the link I provided.

You do not like the method, that is OK, but the JIT investigation was an official investigation by multiple nations. That investigation in large part independently supports the Bellingcat investigation. You can completely ignore the Bellingcat investigation and the link I provided, but the JIT Report stands by itself and says the same thing.

So, I provided sources and links to support my posting and you have not. Now it is your turn to provide sources and links to your own postings with your propagandized version of your postings.

Method???)))oh, God, this world becomes insane... It will be so funny when you appear in the court and you will be jailed cause of PICTURES FROM SN)))) it is NEW ERA of jurisprudence, dude))) All of this bullshit which will NEVER end has been continuing for about 3 (!!!) years! Do you know, why? Cause while it is continuing the politicoes can blame Russia and keep sanctions against Moscow. And sanctions is not weapon against Russians - it is weapon against weak economics of some European countries. Then it helps to keep war-hysteria and "Russian treat" for Europe - and nobody can stop state military corporations to take more money from tax-payers for "defence against Russia". Do you know how much does one F-35 fighter cost? MORE than its model in the same size made of GOLD!) continue to pay your taxes))) and believe in pictures from SN))))

You did not have to use all those words. You could have just said you could not back up your bullshit and were talking out of your ass.

So what do we have for now? JIT keeping silence, ex-salesman of underwears with pictures from SN, anti-Russian hysteria started one hour after catastrophe, Bellingcat appeared 3 days before this catastrophe and some fools who believe in true investigation. Tell me, maybe you believe in Afghan terrorist frome caves who learned how to drive planes and made 9/11?)

P.S. Oh, yes. Ukraine has just shot passenger plane in 2001 during military exercises. And when MH-17 crashed in 2014 Ukraine had the same exercises in that area...

 

[ThoughtCrimes]

Putin rejected a resolution in the UN Security Council in July of 2015 for an official internationally sanctioned investigation of the shootdown of MH-17. It would have required Russia to allow questioning of identified key suspects in the Russian military and intelligence service, access to eye witnesses in Russian-controlled areas of Ukraine and Russian controlled rebels in Ukraine.

So why Ukraine didn't reveal the names of these suspects? Maybe it will be quite difficult to prove their guilt in REAL Court - face to face with Russia?

The names are revealed in the Dutch report and other sources. It is the Russians who have blocked them from being questioned in a real court.

Really???)) so maybe you will show us this part of Dutch report? with these NAMES? or this part is like Obama's evidences which nobody have ever seen?

Here is a more precise list and detailed investigation that pinpoints the actual Russian unit and soldiers that need to be questioned and were probably responsible for the shootdown.

www.bellingcat.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/53rd-report-public.pdf

bellingcat?????))))) man, are you serious?)))) who is BELLINGCATex-sailesman of underwears?)) only stupid asshole can eat his shit! and what about REAL PROOFS?! what about Dutch report and JIT work made by ADULTS, not nerds from social networks?

A report over 100 pages long with 169 sourced footnotes and you dismiss it as untrustworthy out of hand? You're either a fool or more likely a shill!

 

[Tehon]

So why Ukraine didn't reveal the names of these suspects? Maybe it will be quite difficult to prove their guilt in REAL Court - face to face with Russia?

The names are revealed in the Dutch report and other sources. It is the Russians who have blocked them from being questioned in a real court.

Really???)) so maybe you will show us this part of Dutch report? with these NAMES? or this part is like Obama's evidences which nobody have ever seen?

Here is a more precise list and detailed investigation that pinpoints the actual Russian unit and soldiers that need to be questioned and were probably responsible for the shootdown.

www.bellingcat.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/53rd-report-public.pdf

bellingcat?????))))) man, are you serious?)))) who is BELLINGCATex-sailesman of underwears?)) only stupid asshole can eat his shit! and what about REAL PROOFS?! what about Dutch report and JIT work made by ADULTS, not nerds from social networks?

A report over 100 pages long with 169 sourced footnotes and you dismiss it as untrustworthy out of hand? You're either a fool or more likely a shill!

There is a problem with the report right from its outset. The agreement to conduct the investigation gave Ukraine veto powers over what information was released. And second, the report relies heavily on the SBU, not exactly an unbiased participant.
The question is, have you read the report and validated the footnotes, or are you just uncritically accepting the report? The latter would suggest that it is you who is the shill.