Keystone xl pipeline is a scam

[Inthemiddle]

The OP seems mistaken. The oil that would flow on the Keystone XL pipeline would be shipped out of the Gulf to South American locations.

Link?

It's been linked 10 million times in the approximately 1 billion threads on the XL pipeline issue, and I've drank too much wine tonight to bother trying to find it again. Start paying attention.

 

[Mr. H.]

The OP seems mistaken. The oil that would flow on the Keystone XL pipeline would be shipped out of the Gulf to South American locations.

Link?

It's been linked 10 million times in the approximately 1 billion threads on the XL pipeline issue, and I've drank too much wine tonight to bother trying to find it again. Start paying attention.

And I've previously referenced a link stating otherwise.

Besides- if surplus inventories are bound for export markets, so what?
It's commerce, it's economic activity, and it's revenue generation.

This is a non-issue tuned upside down to further the ignorant hype being perpetuated by the eco-left in the name of socialist policy.

 

[bripat9643]

Trust me oil spills and pollution does not jump start an economy

You are working hard to win the title of biggest moron in the forum.

 

[midcan5]

"By draining Midwestern refineries of cheap Canadian crude into export-oriented refineries in the Gulf Coast, Keystone XL will increase the cost of gas for Americans." link below

The best the corporate right republicans and libertarians can do is call others names as they shill for money - un-American by their own words and about as knowledgeable about energy as they are about everything else. Shills of the right sing to the money gawd.

If one thing is clear in America today it is that money can buy the minds of many people. Oil is money and so long as we lazily rely on it we will have those who control the ideas of the impressionable right wing corporate shills. See above comments if you doubt that.

Key Facts on Keystone XL | Tar Sands Action my fix: http://www.usmessageboard.com/energy/56561-plowing-not-drilling.html

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[Mr. H.]

"By draining Midwestern refineries of cheap Canadian crude into export-oriented refineries in the Gulf Coast, Keystone XL will increase the cost of gas for Americans." link below

The best the corporate right republicans and libertarians can do is call others names as they shill for money - un-American by their own words and about as knowledgeable about energy as they are about everything else. Shills of the right sing to the money gawd.

If one thing is clear in America today it is that money can buy the minds of many people. Oil is money and so long as we lazily rely on it we will have those who control the ideas of the impressionable right wing corporate shills. See above comments if you doubt that.

Key Facts on Keystone XL | Tar Sands Action my fix: http://www.usmessageboard.com/energy/56561-plowing-not-drilling.html

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If you had bothered to read any of my referenced links in this seemingly endless debate, why would you even bother to quote such tripe from the left-wing tar sands action group?

Midwestern refineries are bloated with Midwestern oil. Inventories are bottlenecked because of the huge Bakken play in North Dakota. This oil and the Canadian oil needs to be distributed efficiently. The Canadian oil replaces imports from rather undesirable and unstable nations.

It's about infrastructure and inventory management.

I'm disappointed in you.

P.S.- I did read your "plowing not drilling" post.

You do understand that agriculture exports millions of metric tons of grains each year? And that 30% of our corn crop is diverted to ethanol production?
Agriculture cranks out so much ethanol, that 20% of it is EXPORTED.

Ag is the largest single source of topsoil and groundwater pollution in this country- and you want to see more of it?
Talk about irony.

 

[midcan5]

"By draining Midwestern refineries of cheap Canadian crude into export-oriented refineries in the Gulf Coast, Keystone XL will increase the cost of gas for Americans." link below


Key Facts on Keystone XL | Tar Sands Action my fix: http://www.usmessageboard.com/energ...http://www.commondreams.org/view/2012/01/19-3

 

[Crackerjack]

"By draining Midwestern refineries of cheap Canadian crude into export-oriented refineries in the Gulf Coast, Keystone XL will increase the cost of gas for Americans." link below


Key Facts on Keystone XL | Tar Sands Action my fix: http://www.usmessageboard.com/energ...3[/QUOTE]"Common Dreams"?? [I]Tu quoque[/I].

 

[healthmyths]

KEYSTONE XL PIPELINE IS A SCAM

The 1700 mile Canadian Keystone XL Pipeline from Canada to Texas is a scam by a private foreign company on Americans. All the company’s supplies use to build the pipeline will be made in China. Not by US companies. The pipeline ending in Texas will supply Canadian oil to China, India, etc. Why would we need a 1700 mile pipeline from Canada to Texas to get oil from Canada? When we don’t need a pipeline to get oil from the middle east? The Canadian Keystone XL Pipeline is the biggest foreign scam ever on Americans. Oil prices will go up and it is not worth the jobs it would create. If the pipeline was built by American with American made supplies by an American firm, it would be worth considering. Otherwise it is a scam and what is in this pipeline for the radical right wingers? Who is paying the pipeline workers, Canada or US?
The Keystone SL pipeline is a scam and not worth the jobs it would create.

Please tell me which is worse :
1 million barrels of oil sloshing over 1,000 miles of US coastline, killing 100,000s of wildlife OR

325 barrels spilled over one mile ?

I'm just trying to figure out why anyone wants another Exxon Valdez!!!!

 

[BlindBoo]

KEYSTONE XL PIPELINE IS A SCAM

The 1700 mile Canadian Keystone XL Pipeline from Canada to Texas is a scam by a private foreign company on Americans. All the company’s supplies use to build the pipeline will be made in China. Not by US companies. The pipeline ending in Texas will supply Canadian oil to China, India, etc. Why would we need a 1700 mile pipeline from Canada to Texas to get oil from Canada? When we don’t need a pipeline to get oil from the middle east? The Canadian Keystone XL Pipeline is the biggest foreign scam ever on Americans. Oil prices will go up and it is not worth the jobs it would create. If the pipeline was built by American with American made supplies by an American firm, it would be worth considering. Otherwise it is a scam and what is in this pipeline for the radical right wingers? Who is paying the pipeline workers, Canada or US?
The Keystone SL pipeline is a scam and not worth the jobs it would create.

Keystone Phase I and Keystone Phase II are just doing fine and dandy running to Illinois and Oklahoma.

This is just Phase III and Phase IV is already being planned.

And you have to be one of the stupidest people on the planet if you can't figure out that the west coast of Canada is a direct line to Asia.

Sheesh. Weren't you ever taught geography?

Who in their right mind would take oil from Canada to the Gulf of Mexico and then put it on ships to go all the way thru the Panama Canal to supply Asia?

Stop being an imbecile parroting bullshit websites. Oh you can't, you're a flaming left winger without any original thought process.

So why don't the Canadian built a pipeline of their own to their west coast and ship the bitumem to China from there? Logicistics is why. Cheaper and more profitable to ship it to the refineries in the Gulf and sell the refined product to other countries.

Sooner or later it's gonna happen.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

"By draining Midwestern refineries of cheap Canadian crude into export-oriented refineries in the Gulf Coast, Keystone XL will increase the cost of gas for Americans." link below

The best the corporate right republicans and libertarians can do is call others names as they shill for money - un-American by their own words and about as knowledgeable about energy as they are about everything else. Shills of the right sing to the money gawd.

If one thing is clear in America today it is that money can buy the minds of many people. Oil is money and so long as we lazily rely on it we will have those who control the ideas of the impressionable right wing corporate shills. See above comments if you doubt that.

Key Facts on Keystone XL | Tar Sands Action my fix: http://www.usmessageboard.com/energy/56561-plowing-not-drilling.html

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^ this is how big a total moron and economic illiterate you have to be to support a POTUS who runs up annual trillion deficits

 

[Mr. H.]

"By draining Midwestern refineries of cheap Canadian crude into export-oriented refineries in the Gulf Coast, Keystone XL will increase the cost of gas for Americans." link below


Key Facts on Keystone XL | Tar Sands Action my fix: http://www.usmessageboard.com/energ...record... yes, I do have oil in the backyard.

 

[Crackerjack]

And for the record... yes, I do have oil in the backyard.

Might I interest you in a very lucrative lease for those fine minerals?

 

[Mr. H.]

And for the record... yes, I do have oil in the backyard.

Might I interest you in a very lucrative lease for those fine minerals?

Is it under the Brooklyn Bridge?

Thanks but we've got enough irons in the fire at the moment.

 

[tinydancer]

KEYSTONE XL PIPELINE IS A SCAM

The 1700 mile Canadian Keystone XL Pipeline from Canada to Texas is a scam by a private foreign company on Americans. All the company’s supplies use to build the pipeline will be made in China. Not by US companies. The pipeline ending in Texas will supply Canadian oil to China, India, etc. Why would we need a 1700 mile pipeline from Canada to Texas to get oil from Canada? When we don’t need a pipeline to get oil from the middle east? The Canadian Keystone XL Pipeline is the biggest foreign scam ever on Americans. Oil prices will go up and it is not worth the jobs it would create. If the pipeline was built by American with American made supplies by an American firm, it would be worth considering. Otherwise it is a scam and what is in this pipeline for the radical right wingers? Who is paying the pipeline workers, Canada or US?
The Keystone SL pipeline is a scam and not worth the jobs it would create.

Keystone Phase I and Keystone Phase II are just doing fine and dandy running to Illinois and Oklahoma.

This is just Phase III and Phase IV is already being planned.

And you have to be one of the stupidest people on the planet if you can't figure out that the west coast of Canada is a direct line to Asia.

Sheesh. Weren't you ever taught geography?

Who in their right mind would take oil from Canada to the Gulf of Mexico and then put it on ships to go all the way thru the Panama Canal to supply Asia?

Stop being an imbecile parroting bullshit websites. Oh you can't, you're a flaming left winger without any original thought process.

So why don't the Canadian built a pipeline of their own to their west coast and ship the bitumem to China from there? Logicistics is why. Cheaper and more profitable to ship it to the refineries in the Gulf and sell the refined product to other countries.

Sooner or later it's gonna happen.

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