Keystone Pipeline Rather Smelly

[bripat9643]

By who?

It's been studied by about half a dozen federal agencies, including Obama's EPA.

Yeah, and they all determined they needed more time to rightly divide the truth from the bullcrap.

No they didn't.

Even if that's what they claim, they're simply regurgitating what Obama told them to say. This pipeline is no different than dozens of others that are already in the ground. The environmental consequences are almost nil.

 

[FactFinder]

what the fuck do you mean we don't need it? you be bat shit crazy or what?

Yah, I am a bat shit crazy but that has zilch to do with us actually needing this "Keystone pipeline" Geez is that some marketing hype for some fatcats or what? Keystone my ass!

Do the math before making stupid statements.
1. How much oil does the US use every day?
2. Where does it come from?
3. What is the projected demand?
4. Where will that come from?
5. Look at the global supply & demand and see what the equilibrium price of oil will be in about 10-years.

Hint: this game is played in 5-year increments, because it takes that long to bring new supplies on-line.

STOCKS:

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DEMAND:
U.S. Product Supplied for Crude Oil and Petroleum Products

 

[FactFinder]

It's been studied by about half a dozen federal agencies, including Obama's EPA.

Yeah, and they all determined they needed more time to rightly divide the truth from the bullcrap.

No they didn't.

Even if that's what they claim, they're simply regurgitating what Obama told them to say. This pipeline is no different than dozens of others that are already in the ground. The environmental consequences are almost nil.

Ok, and what is the reward besides to a very few investors?

 

[Amelia]

Hmmm....we are led to believe by Beohner and company that this project is so important as to to be worthy of holding up legislation that would extend middle class tax cuts. Doesn;t Mr. Boehner understand yet that it is the midlle class that drives this economy. It is the middle class that creates jobs through demand for products. It is not 1% hoarderes that do so.

Ok, back to said project. From where I sit at best there would be ony a few billionaires from Texas and a couple in Canada who would really benefit from the proposed pipeline.

a FEW FACTS:

Inventories in energy products are swelling to record levels
Demand for energy products is increasingly going down
Encouraging our neighbors to perform fracturing of the geo system before all the facts are in is not very neighborly
Exposing all the states that this pipeline has to run through without all the facts of the risks is cheap cronyism at best.

Obama has it right on this one and the Republicans look like the same ole' let's suck up to the cash position.

It ain't gonna hurt to do proper studies. Quit your greedish bullshit Republicans.

WHAT studies?

How many studies have already been done? How long has this decision been held up? This newest study is about what? Trees, right?

How many more studies are needed?


If you have enough studies the Canadians will build the pipeline elsewhere ... which is probably the goal of this gov't ... but at least be honest about it.

 

[FactFinder]

Hmmm....we are led to believe by Beohner and company that this project is so important as to to be worthy of holding up legislation that would extend middle class tax cuts. Doesn;t Mr. Boehner understand yet that it is the midlle class that drives this economy. It is the middle class that creates jobs through demand for products. It is not 1% hoarderes that do so.

Ok, back to said project. From where I sit at best there would be ony a few billionaires from Texas and a couple in Canada who would really benefit from the proposed pipeline.

a FEW FACTS:

Inventories in energy products are swelling to record levels
Demand for energy products is increasingly going down
Encouraging our neighbors to perform fracturing of the geo system before all the facts are in is not very neighborly
Exposing all the states that this pipeline has to run through without all the facts of the risks is cheap cronyism at best.

Obama has it right on this one and the Republicans look like the same ole' let's suck up to the cash position.

It ain't gonna hurt to do proper studies. Quit your greedish bullshit Republicans.

WHAT studies?

How many studies have already been done? How long has this decision been held up? This newest study is about what? Trees, right?

How many more studies are needed?


If you have enough studies the Canadians will build the pipeline elsewhere ... which is probably the goal of this gov't ... but at least be honest about it.

Whatever it take to make a sane decision but there is no urgency attached to this pipeline as a lush like Boehner might portend.

 

[Meister]

This has got to be without a doubt the, "STUPID THREAD of the DAY".

 

[Meister]

Hmmm....we are led to believe by Beohner and company that this project is so important as to to be worthy of holding up legislation that would extend middle class tax cuts. Doesn;t Mr. Boehner understand yet that it is the midlle class that drives this economy. It is the middle class that creates jobs through demand for products. It is not 1% hoarderes that do so.

Ok, back to said project. From where I sit at best there would be ony a few billionaires from Texas and a couple in Canada who would really benefit from the proposed pipeline.

a FEW FACTS:

Inventories in energy products are swelling to record levels
Demand for energy products is increasingly going down
Encouraging our neighbors to perform fracturing of the geo system before all the facts are in is not very neighborly
Exposing all the states that this pipeline has to run through without all the facts of the risks is cheap cronyism at best.

Obama has it right on this one and the Republicans look like the same ole' let's suck up to the cash position.

It ain't gonna hurt to do proper studies. Quit your greedish bullshit Republicans.

WHAT studies?

How many studies have already been done? How long has this decision been held up? This newest study is about what? Trees, right?

How many more studies are needed?


If you have enough studies the Canadians will build the pipeline elsewhere ... which is probably the goal of this gov't ... but at least be honest about it.

Whatever it take to make a sane decision but there is no urgency attached to this pipeline as a lush like Boehner might portend.

Dude, if the democrats had put this on the Bill, it would have been the second most brilliant move made by this administration in your eyes. I know a hack when I see one.

 

[Dot Com]

Its another way for the Repubs to hold this great nation hostage for dirty fuel, fat cats. "cats" as in willowTree LOL. Tar sands cost @ 15% more to refine than crude not to mention they are pretty dirty:

As carbon rejection is very inefficient and wasteful in most cases, catalytic hydrocracking is preferred in most cases. All these processes take large amounts of energy and water, while emitting more carbon dioxide than conventional oil.

 

[francoHFW]

Since they just changed the path the pipe is taking, saying it's been studied for 3 years is pure BS. Great job by the media not mentioning this.

link for the "dozens" of cross country pipes?

Have heard Rush and Coulter screaming about the hundreds of thousands of jobs lost...you dupes are unbelievable to believe such a-holes....

 

[Avatar4321]

So you think it's shady to want Americans to have jobs and energy?

You are one screwed up person.

 

[Full-Auto]

So you think it's shady to want Americans to have jobs and energy?

You are one screwed up person.

 

[bripat9643]

Ok, and what is the reward besides to a very few investors?

The reward is thousands of jobs, for one thing, and a reliable supply of oil for another. We won't be financing terrorism when we buy oil from Canada.

 

[bripat9643]

Whatever it take to make a sane decision but there is no urgency attached to this pipeline as a lush like Boehner might portend.

Tell that to people who are unemployed. Tell that to the Canadians after they decide to build on to the West coast so they can ship the oil to Canada.

 

[whitehall]

The pipeline has been studied for three years. The unions even want it. The democrat governor of Nebraska supports it. The dirty little secret is that Barry pretends the thing just fell in his lap because he doesn't want to make a decision about it and he would avoid making a decision about it until Republicans forced his hand.

 

[Mr. H.]

40% of our corn is diverted to ethanol production.
Crop prices are at levels not seen for many years, and farmers are reaping windfall profits.
Still, we make so much ethanol that 20% of production is exported.

11 million barrels per day of crude and products are imported into the U.S.
A small fraction is exported.

It matters, it makes a difference, and it's needed every bit as much as the Alberta Clipper pipeline that Obama approved in 2009...

From the U.S. Department of State website:

By Executive Order, the State Department has been delegated authority from the president to receive applications for the construction, connection, operation and maintenance of facilities at the borders of the United States, including petroleum pipelines, and to issue or deny Presidential Permits for such facilities upon a National Interest Determination. A Presidential Permit application triggers an environmental review of the proposed project, under applicable environmental laws and regulations.

After considerable review and evaluation, on August 20, 2009, the Department issued a Presidential Permit to Enbridge Energy, Limited Partnership for the Alberta Clipper pipeline. In evaluating the Enbridge application, the Department worked in consultation with all relevant agencies and parties and with extensive public and stakeholder participation and outreach.

The Department found that the addition of crude oil pipeline capacity between Canada and the United States will advance a number of strategic interests of the United States. These included increasing the diversity of available supplies among the United States’ worldwide crude oil sources in a time of considerable political tension in other major oil producing countries and regions; shortening the transportation pathway for crude oil supplies; and increasing crude oil supplies from a major non-Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries producer. Canada is a stable and reliable ally and trading partner of the United States, with which we have free trade agreements which augment the security of this energy supply.

Approval of the permit sends a positive economic signal, in a difficult economic period, about the future reliability and availability of a portion of United States’ energy imports, and in the immediate term, this shovel-ready project will provide construction jobs for workers in the United States.

U.S. Department of State

 

[bripat9643]

Its another way for the Repubs to hold this great nation hostage for dirty fuel, fat cats. "cats" as in willowTree LOL. Tar sands cost @ 15% more to refine than crude not to mention they are pretty dirty:

The cost to refine is irrelevant since oil is sold on the world market. Canada can't charge anymore than the market price. Furthermore, it's still a lot cheaper than paying $14.00/gal for biofuels.

When has the price of something ever been an obstacle for liberals?

As carbon rejection is very inefficient and wasteful in most cases, catalytic hydrocracking is preferred in most cases. All these processes take large amounts of energy and water, while emitting more carbon dioxide than conventional oil.

[/QUOTE]

So? What are you saying, leave it in the ground? Nobody gives a fuck about the amount of carbon dioxide other then a bunch of environmental kookburgers.

 

[bripat9643]

Since they just changed the path the pipe is taking, saying it's been studied for 3 years is pure BS. Great job by the media not mentioning this.

link for the "dozens" of cross country pipes?

Have heard Rush and Coulter screaming about the hundreds of thousands of jobs lost...you dupes are unbelievable to believe such a-holes....

They changed it to make some politicians happy, not because it made any technical or scientific sense.

 

[JoeB131]

Hmmm....we are led to believe by Beohner and company that this project is so important as to to be worthy of holding up legislation that would extend middle class tax cuts. Doesn;t Mr. Boehner understand yet that it is the midlle class that drives this economy. It is the middle class that creates jobs through demand for products. It is not 1% hoarderes that do so.

Ok, back to said project. From where I sit at best there would be ony a few billionaires from Texas and a couple in Canada who would really benefit from the proposed pipeline.

a FEW FACTS:

Inventories in energy products are swelling to record levels
Demand for energy products is increasingly going down
Encouraging our neighbors to perform fracturing of the geo system before all the facts are in is not very neighborly
Exposing all the states that this pipeline has to run through without all the facts of the risks is cheap cronyism at best.

Obama has it right on this one and the Republicans look like the same ole' let's suck up to the cash position.

It ain't gonna hurt to do proper studies. Quit your greedish bullshit Republicans.

A couple things.

1) You talk about "middle class jobs". Who do you think is going to build this thing? Middle class folks.

2) You work on the assumption that energy costs will keep trending as they are now, even though they were trending the other way as recently as last year.

3) It's a pipeline. It's not like we don't already know a lot about pipelines and how to contain problems on them. It ain't rocket science. This is not the Exxon Valdez or the Gulf spill. If there was a spill, it would be very quickly contained.

 

[Oldstyle]

By who?

It's been studied by about half a dozen federal agencies, including Obama's EPA.

Yeah, and they all determined they needed more time to rightly divide the truth from the bullcrap.

It's amusing to me that someone is naive enough to buy the whole..."we need more time to study this" routine, Finder. There is only one reason that Obama wanted to put this off until after 2012...he doesn't want to offend either the environmentalists or his union buddies during the leadup to next years elections.

 

[Mr. H.]

Why aren't people pounding down the doors of the White House demanding that Obama dig up the Alberta Clipper pipeline. He's the one that sancioned it. His State Department said it was in the interests of the U.S. to import the same Canadian crude oil that you're bitching about in this thread.
It's the same State Department that declared the Alberta Clipper was needed to create "shovel ready" jobs.