Keynesian Economics Evidently saved the world from economic meltdown

There are many reasons for this debacle. The primary reason is probably the Fed.
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a. Congress passed a bill in 1975 requiring banks to provide the government with information on their lending activities in poor urban areas. Two years later, it passed the Community Reinvestment Act (CRA), which gave regulators the power to deny banks the right to expand if they didn’t lend sufficiently in those neighborhoods. In 1979 the FDIC used the CRA to block a move by the Greater NY Savings Bank for not enough lending.
b. In 1986, when the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (Acorn) threatened to oppose an acquisition by a southern bank, Louisiana Bancshares, until it agreed to new “flexible credit and underwriting standards” for minority borrowers—for example, counting public assistance and food stamps as income.
c. In 1987, Acorn led a coalition of advocacy groups calling for industry-wide changes in lending standards. Among the demanded reforms were the easing of minimum down-payment requirements and of the requirement that borrowers have enough cash at a closing to cover two to three months of mortgage payments (research had shown that lack of money in hand was a big reason some mortgages failed quickly).
d. ACORN then attacked Fannie Mae, the giant quasi-government agency that bought loans from banks in order to allow them to make new loans. Its underwriters were “strictly by-the-book interpreters” of lending standards and turned down purchases of unconventional loans, charged Acorn. The pressure eventually paid off. In 1992, Congress passed legislation requiring Fannie Mae and the similar Freddie Mac to devote 30 percent of their loan purchases to mortgages for low- and moderate-income borrowers.
e. Clinton Administration housing secretary, Henry Cisneros, declared that he would expand homeownership among lower- and lower-middle-income renters. His strategy: pushing for no-down-payment loans; expanding the size of mortgages that the government would insure against losses; and using the CRA and other lending laws to direct more private money into low-income programs.
f. Shortly after Cisneros announced his plan, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac agreed to begin buying loans under new, looser guidelines. Freddie Mac, for instance, started approving low-income buyers with bad credit histories or none at all, so long as they were current on rent and utilities payments. Freddie Mac also said that it would begin counting income from seasonal jobs and public assistance toward its income minimum, despite the FHA disaster of the sixties.
g. Freddie Mac began an “alternative qualifying” program with the Sears Mortgage Corporation that let a borrower qualify for a loan with a monthly payment as high as 50 percent of his income, at a time when most private mortgage companies wouldn’t exceed 33 percent. The program also allowed borrowers with bad credit to get mortgages if they took credit-counseling classes administered by Acorn and other nonprofits. Subsequent research would show that such classes have little impact on default rates.
h. Pressuring nonbank lenders to make more loans to poor minorities didn’t stop with Sears. If it didn’t happen, Clinton officials warned, they’d seek to extend CRA regulations to all mortgage makers. In Congress, Representative Maxine Waters called financial firms not covered by the CRA “among the most egregious redliners.”
i. Mortgage Bankers Association (MBA) shocked the financial world by signing a 1994 agreement with the Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD), pledging to increase lending to minorities and join in new efforts to rewrite lending standards. The first MBA member to sign up: Countrywide Financial, the mortgage firm that would be at the core of the subprime meltdown.
j. A 1998 sales pitch by a Bear Stearns managing director advised banks to begin packaging their loans to low-income borrowers into securities that the firm could sell. Forget traditional underwriting standards when considering these loans, the director advised. For a low-income borrower, he continued in all-too-familiar terms, owning a home was “a near-sacred obligation. A family will do almost anything to meet that monthly mortgage payment.” Bunk, says Stan Liebowitz, a professor of economics at the University of Texas: “The claim that lower-income homeowners are somehow different in their devotion to their home is a purely emotional claim with no evidence to support it.”
k. Any concern was quickly dismissed. When in early 2000 the FDIC proposed increasing capital requirements for lenders making “subprime” loans—loans to people with questionable credit, that is—Democratic representative Carolyn Maloney of New York told a congressional hearing that she feared that the step would dry up CRA loans. Her fellow New York Democrat John J. LaFalce urged regulators “not to be premature” in imposing new regulations.
l. In July 1999, HUD proposed new levels for Fannie Mae’s and Freddie Mac’s low-income lending; in September, Fannie Mae agreed to begin purchasing loans made to “borrowers with slightly impaired credit”—that is, with credit standards even lower than the government had been pushing for a generation.
m. In 2004 Congress pressed new affordable-housing goals on the two mortgage giants, which through 2007 purchased some $1 trillion in loans to lower- and moderate-income buyers. The buying spree helped spark a massive increase in securitization of mortgages to people with dubious credit.
n. In October 1994, Fannie Mae head James Johnson had reminded a banking convention that mortgages with small down payments had a much higher risk of defaulting. (A Duff & Phelps study found that they were nearly three times more likely to default than conventional mortgages.) Yet the very next month, Fannie Mae said that it expected to back loans to low-income home buyers with a 97 percent loan-to-value ratio—that is, loans in which the buyer puts down just 3 percent—as part of a commitment, made earlier that year to Congress, to purchase $1 trillion in affordable-housing mortgages by the end of the nineties. According to Edward Pinto, who served as the company’s chief credit officer, the program was the result of political pressure on Fannie Mae trumping lending standards.
o. In 1992, the Boston Fed produced an extraordinary 29-page document that codified the new lending wisdom. Conventional mortgage criteria, the report argued, might be “unintentionally biased” because they didn’t take into account “the economic culture of urban, lower-income and nontraditional customers.” Lenders should thus consider junking the industry’s traditional income-to-payments ratio and stop viewing an applicant’s “lack of credit history” as a “negative factor.” Further, if applicants had bad credit, banks should “consider extenuating circumstances”—even though a study by mortgage insurance companies would soon show, not surprisingly, that borrowers with no credit rating or a bad one were far more likely to default. If applicants didn’t have enough savings for a down payment, the Boston Fed urged, banks should allow loans from nonprofits or government assistance agencies to count toward one. A later study of Freddie Mac mortgages would find that a borrower who made a down payment with third-party funds was four times more likely to default, a reminder that traditional underwriting standards weren’t arbitrary but based on historical lending patterns.
p. The Congressional Hispanic Caucus launched Hogar in 2003, an initiative that pushed for easing lending standards for immigrants, including touting so-called seller-financed mortgages in which a builder provided down-payment aid to buyers via contributions to nonprofit groups. As a result, mortgage lending to Hispanics soared. And today, in districts where Hispanics make up at least 25 percent of the population, foreclosure rates are now nearly 50 percent higher than the national average, according to a Wall Street Journal analysis.
q. Republicans and Democrats, meanwhile, have scrambled to reignite the housing market through ill-conceived tax credits and renewed federal subsidies for mortgages, including the Obama administration’s mortgage bailout plan, which recalls the New Deal’s HOLC. Behind these efforts is a fundamental misconception among politicians that housing drives the American economy and therefore demands subsidy at virtually any cost.
Obsessive Housing Disorder by Steven Malanga, City Journal Spring 2009
 
"If all economists were laid end to end, they would not reach a conclusion." George Bernard Shaw

Keynes was a brilliant person. The little bit I have read of his work is extremely insightful for a field that gets few things right. Conservatives forget Reagan did same, but screwed up by lowering taxes too much and investing in military and not infrastructure.


"Capitalism is the astounding belief that the most wickedest of men will do the most wickedest of things for the greatest good of everyone." John Maynard Keynes

ROFL... Reagan did not employ Keynsian economics... Where in the hell did you get THAT NONSENSE?

And Reagan's tax cuts resulted in DOUBLING THE REVENUE TO THE US TREASURY... thus disproving in finality that he 'cut taxes too much.'
 
Likewise, the expansion of the fiat currency supply to keep pace with growth in GDP is a good idea in theory, but like all other forms of central planning, it runs into a bit of a snag when imperfect and chaotic humans are added to the mix.

Yeah, that's a good argument, and one that may yet be resolved in favor of those opposing fiat money. However, I cannot see a time, ever, of allowing the money supply to be determined by the profitability of the mining industry, one of the worst-run industries on the planet.

Yeah, I've heard that fairy tale, too. Except that failure to enforce regulations does not mean that those regs were pared back in the first place.

There are two things. First, the SEC repealed the amount of leverage that the large investment banks could hold in 2004. Debt to equity rose from 12x-15x to 30x-40x at the big banks. Also, large banks such as Citigroup started moving assets and liabilities off their balance sheets, with little equity underneath, in structured investment vehicles, further increasing leverage to as high as 50x-60x. They did this because they were compensated to do so. Execs compensation was based on rising share prices, which are dependent on rising earnings. The easiest way to do that at a bank is to increase leverage, which is what they did. They were acting on signals based on the market.

Second, there is no reason to think that executives wouldn't have acted any different had there been no regulation in the first place. Paring back regulation meant that government took the reigns off the amount of leverage banks could put on, and put on leverage they did. That's how they responded to being given more freedom to operate.

Compare America to Canada. Canada has more stringent capital requirements. They are forced - by governmental regulation - to hold more capital than banks were in the US. There hasn't been a bank fail in Canada, not a dime has been given to the banks, and the write-offs have been a fraction of what they are in the US, even relative to the sizes of the economies.
 
I'm not the one bobbing and weaving, dude. Maybe you've got a googled image withwhich you can reply.

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Who's bobbing and weaving here??...You claimed that free market principles caused this mess and got called out to explain how a truly free market model was in fact in effect.

Since then you've done nothing but deflect and make this about me and Greenspan and any other irrelevant rant you can lay your mitts on....Bobbing and weaving indeed.

And for someone who is on board gif overload, you have precious little room to make any wise cracks about anyone else's use of forum images.

free market policies which have jettisoned former American jobs have, in fact, crippled our middle class. How many examples of former production workers losing their homes do you want to see?

and, seriously, the whole "it doesn't count because there has never been a perfect free market" crap is laughable at best. You may really, REALLY want to use this as an excuse for the failure of free market capitalism but i'm just not impressed.

Indeed, I bring up Greenspan because he is the posterchild example of the failure of your economic opinion. This is what we call evidence. Perhaps you've heard of the word.

ps.. I'm not the one crying about non sequiters and hyperbole at every corner, dude. I am literally making fun of you each and every time you cry like a bitch about the nature of posts around here only to do the exact same thing when faced with criticism that you clearly cannot handle. Maybe a smarter person than you would have caught all that.

What you're doing is exposing yourself as a fool...

No one is 'exporting US Jobs'...

First, you're not entitled to ANY JOB... HAVING A JOB IS NOT YOUR RIGHT! Meaning that NO ONE OWES YOU A JOB...

Got that sis?

US manufacturers that have moved their operation offshore, did so because operating in the US COMES AT TOO HIGH A PRICE... and the scope of that cost is a function of LEFTIST POLICY... POLICY WHICH YOU, as a member in good standing OF THE LEFTIST IDEOLOGY, HAVE FOISTED UPON THOSE MANUFACTURERS...

US workers simply cost MORE THEN THEY ARE WORTH... Got that?
 
There are many reasons for this debacle. The primary reason is probably the Fed. The person most closely identified with monetary economics and the actions of the Fed is Milton Friedman, not Keynes.

Shortly before he died, Friedman praised Greenspan's handling of monetary policy. Yet, it was those policies which contributed to the housing bubble probably more than anything.

So, that ain't Keynesian. That's Friedman.
Friedman was way more of an adherent to Keynes than von Mises. His cachet amongst libertarian types is inexplicable to me.

Those are extreme examples, but I'd disagree anyhow.

Friedman mainly preached free market economics, and that the Fed could be used to counter-balance the business cycle. However, Keynes believed that the excess creation of money could create genuine economic growth. Friedman was a vocal critic of this idea, and instead the growth of the money supply should equate to the growth in the economy, which is absolutely correct. Friedman also argued vehemently against financial regulation most of the time. Financial deregulation is probably the second, albeit a distant second, biggest reason for this crash.

ROFLMNAO...

Finacial Deregulation is responsible for this crash?

REALLY?

Now which SPECIFIC LAW are you speaking?

Observe the fascist response... it will be very telling.

Several options...

First she'll post some URL which will in no way support her assertion... hoping that anyone who reads her response will just assume it does and doesn't bnother to read it.

Secondly she'll ignore the direct and unambiguous challenge... hoping fewer people realize she crapped out than those who recognize such as her failure...

She'll run to change the subject to cloud the certainty of her failure...
 
Yeah, I've heard that fairy tale, too. Except that failure to enforce regulations does not mean that those regs were pared back in the first place.

There are two things. First, the SEC repealed the amount of leverage that the large investment banks could hold in 2004. Debt to equity rose from 12x-15x to 30x-40x at the big banks. Also, large banks such as Citigroup started moving assets and liabilities off their balance sheets, with little equity underneath, in structured investment vehicles, further increasing leverage to as high as 50x-60x. They did this because they were compensated to do so. Execs compensation was based on rising share prices, which are dependent on rising earnings. The easiest way to do that at a bank is to increase leverage, which is what they did. They were acting on signals based on the market.

Second, there is no reason to think that executives wouldn't have acted any different had there been no regulation in the first place. Paring back regulation meant that government took the reigns off the amount of leverage banks could put on, and put on leverage they did. That's how they responded to being given more freedom to operate.
Relaxing reserve requirements served the Fed easy money policy as much as anything else.

Pretty disingenuous to blame the private bankers when that Fed-spurred train wreck could've been seen coming by a high school Econ 101 student.
 
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Likewise, the expansion of the fiat currency supply to keep pace with growth in GDP is a good idea in theory, but like all other forms of central planning, it runs into a bit of a snag when imperfect and chaotic humans are added to the mix.

Yeah, that's a good argument, and one that may yet be resolved in favor of those opposing fiat money. However, I cannot see a time, ever, of allowing the money supply to be determined by the profitability of the mining industry, one of the worst-run industries on the planet.

Yeah, I've heard that fairy tale, too. Except that failure to enforce regulations does not mean that those regs were pared back in the first place.

There are two things. First, the SEC repealed the amount of leverage that the large investment banks could hold in 2004. Debt to equity rose from 12x-15x to 30x-40x at the big banks. Also, large banks such as Citigroup started moving assets and liabilities off their balance sheets, with little equity underneath, in structured investment vehicles, further increasing leverage to as high as 50x-60x. They did this because they were compensated to do so. Execs compensation was based on rising share prices, which are dependent on rising earnings. The easiest way to do that at a bank is to increase leverage, which is what they did. They were acting on signals based on the market.

Second, there is no reason to think that executives wouldn't have acted any different had there been no regulation in the first place. Paring back regulation meant that government took the reigns off the amount of leverage banks could put on, and put on leverage they did. That's how they responded to being given more freedom to operate.

Compare America to Canada. Canada has more stringent capital requirements. They are forced - by governmental regulation - to hold more capital than banks were in the US. There hasn't been a bank fail in Canada, not a dime has been given to the banks, and the write-offs have been a fraction of what they are in the US, even relative to the sizes of the economies.

Golly... That makes sense... since Fractional Banking was brought to the US market by NON OTHER than the US FEDERAL RESERVE... Thus the ENTIRE CONCEPT of FRACTIONAL BANKING... (The notion which provides that Banks only need a fraction of cash on hand, to cover their actual liabilities...) is a LEFTIST notion. Thus any manipulation which reduces such IS A LEFTIST IDEA...

That the US Leftists managed to subvert the US markets better than Canadian Leftists, their banks, is just a sign of how low the US has sunk...

But this argument is a red herring anyway, as what caused the failure of these banks was they loaned money against property which had failed to sustain it's value and which the borrowers were unable to PAY; ALL OF WHICH WAS A DIRECT RESULT OF THE IDEOLOGICAL LEFT, WITHIN THE US FEDERAL GOVERNMENT; AND THE FEDERAL RESERVE BEING FRONT AND CENTER; FORCING THOSE BANKS TO SET ASIDE LONG STANDING ACTUARIAL LENDING CALCULATIONS TO PROMOTE 'FAIRNESS IN LENDING...'
 
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ROFLMNAO...

Toro comes to source one of her own posts, wherein she sources the Federal Reserve who came to demand that THEIR POLICY WASN'T TO BLAME...

Everyone feel better? They said they didn't do it... Problem solved...

LOL... Leftists...

You really have no idea what's going on, do you.

Here's another.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/the-flame-zone/69647-publiusinfinitum-is-a-moron.html

LOL... Anyone shocked that she chose Door #3 "CHANGE THE SUBJECT?"
 
Who's bobbing and weaving here??...You claimed that free market principles caused this mess and got called out to explain how a truly free market model was in fact in effect.

Since then you've done nothing but deflect and make this about me and Greenspan and any other irrelevant rant you can lay your mitts on....Bobbing and weaving indeed.

And for someone who is on board gif overload, you have precious little room to make any wise cracks about anyone else's use of forum images.

free market policies which have jettisoned former American jobs have, in fact, crippled our middle class. How many examples of former production workers losing their homes do you want to see?

and, seriously, the whole "it doesn't count because there has never been a perfect free market" crap is laughable at best. You may really, REALLY want to use this as an excuse for the failure of free market capitalism but i'm just not impressed.

Indeed, I bring up Greenspan because he is the posterchild example of the failure of your economic opinion. This is what we call evidence. Perhaps you've heard of the word.

ps.. I'm not the one crying about non sequiters and hyperbole at every corner, dude. I am literally making fun of you each and every time you cry like a bitch about the nature of posts around here only to do the exact same thing when faced with criticism that you clearly cannot handle. Maybe a smarter person than you would have caught all that.

What you're doing is exposing yourself as a fool...

No one is 'exporting US Jobs'...

First, you're not entitled to ANY JOB... HAVING A JOB IS NOT YOUR RIGHT! Meaning that NO ONE OWES YOU A JOB...

Got that sis?

US manufacturers that have moved their operation offshore, did so because operating in the US COMES AT TOO HIGH A PRICE... and the scope of that cost is a function of LEFTIST POLICY... POLICY WHICH YOU, as a member in good standing OF THE LEFTIST IDEOLOGY, HAVE FOISTED UPON THOSE MANUFACTURERS...

US workers simply cost MORE THEN THEY ARE WORTH... Got that?

Actually, given that it's "WE THE PEOPLE" and not "WE THE CAPITALIST PIGS" I guess you are completely wrong about whose jobs they are. If you don't like American's putting their foot down and only ALLOWING nations who invest in the US to benefit from our consumer market then feel free to take your pussy fucking ass to mexico or china. Enjoy the water.



US CITIZENS "cost more than they are worth", eh? Thanks for proving my point, stupid. enjoy Mexico, buddy! Don' bebida de t el agua, motherfucker!
 
Not one post shows that Keynes advocated deficit spending, only to counter any effects of a downturn in business conditions. Keynes did not offer any major explanation of the downturns. Keynes failed at the simple math of the economy, which requires a currency, which gets manipulated into income, and raises of income. It takes an income scale to have a market economy. Markets require incomes capable of spending money.

Mostly, Keynes contended for budget surpluses and balanced central government accounts. So anyone looking at the history of budget deficits in the United States would notice: That mostly they are rarely in balance.

Not one thread points out that Lord Maynard Keynes was even more gay than the proverbial goose. Actually, human babies don't come from. . . .wherever. There is a certain myopia, in the lifestyle.

When, in fact, the Clintons did balance the central government budget--and created mega-surpluses: The stock market tanked, and a recession was in the offing. Technically, the Clintons were doing the Keynesian Program, and for all of its myopia. Bill would not readily concede that was often regarded the first "African-American" President. There had been deficits. Things were better. Next comes the surpluses. It didn't work.

Bush would come into office, after Clinton--and try to chase the title that many attribute to Bill Clinton. Starting in the 1986, U. S. Tax Reform, millions would come to have no federal income tax liability at all. Bush II, understood about myopia. He expressed having learned at Yale University: That faced with a downturn, central government would have to cut taxes--to stimulate spending.

So what if people inclined to do the spending, had no income tax liability?!? It would devolve upon the satiated rich to spend even more, and mainly on pricey things--to stimulate the economy.

That would eventually lead to the current Administration of Barack Obama, with millions wondering if in fact he is white, or in fact a black--eligible to run for a claim to the title: Apparently actually held by George Bush II!

Keynes is actually uninvolved in the whole thing, anyore. There is actually something else entirely: Being discussed in the capitals and in the financial markets at this time. Even the Democrats are no longer reliant on the raised and indexed, standard deduction and personal exemptions, like in the 1986 Tax Reform, or on the Clinton equal dollar tax credits. Those mainly threw people off the tax rolls.

Some couldn't see that, from the Ivy League--(as anyone might guess, at any rate)!

The Democrats now have an equal amount, refundable tax credit, at about $400.00 per. About $0.20 per hour--a typical SEIU janitor wage increase--is now on the books for tens of millions. It is not entirely a National COLA, but it is in an amount that makes it a start.

All that millions have to do to claim it: Is to file the form, (and the race for the title is on, once again)!

"Crow, James Crow: Shaken, Not Stirred!"
(Anyone has to acknowledge that Her Majesty's Government still understands about the "heir-thing," apparently forgotten, even at Yale University! The Romanov's actually even understood, about the recessive gene thing. No one is checking, however, the Obama shoe laces--to determine the "Reagan Trajectory" created colors of that time! Surely if there is to be a "Reagan Trajectory:" Then there have to be colored shoe laces!?!)
 
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