Kerry would tax us into oblivion

[Moi]

Originally posted by Palestinian Jew
Why exactly is this a hollow remark? Each year, U.S. taxpayers subsidize U.S. businesses to the tune of almost $125 billion, the equivalent of all the income tax paid by 60 million individuals and families. Here is what I consider "corporate welfare":

1)Exxon claimed nearly $300 million dollars in tax deductions on the sttlement they paid when the Exxon Valdez spilled 11 million gallons of oil

2)$1 billion dollars to Lockheed Martin since 1971 for plant shutdowns and relocations

3)In 1989, Sears threatened to leave Illinois, which would cause 6,000 jobs to be lost. Illisnois gave them 178 million dollars in tax breaks, plus 61.1 million from the state treasury and $7 million in reduced sales and income tax. Four years later, they fired 50,000 people nationwide.

Please show me how the books, news shows, internet sites, and countless radio hours make me have no experience in this area.

Perhaps these statistics would actually mean something if you posted the amount that these corporations put back into the economy through employee taxes, income taxes, dividend taxes, what they pay to their employees (who thus pay taxes), have to pay in state and local sales taxes, insurance for their employees, occupancy taxes, development taxes...need I go on mentioning all the things these corporations do on the other side of the scale????

 

[Palestinian Jew]

That is a very credible viewpoint, which gets into partisan territory and thus will never be resolved. how much of that $200 check goes back into tax, money for employees, and other parts of the economy? I don't really mind if people are angry at welfare recipients, as long as its two sided.

 

[Moi]

Originally posted by Palestinian Jew
That is a very credible viewpoint, which gets into partisan territory and thus will never be resolved. how much of that $200 check goes back into tax, money for employees, and other parts of the economy? I don't really mind if people are angry at welfare recipients, as long as its two sided.

Actually, I am not angry at welfare recipients. I just think it is unfair that they are getting something for nothing when I have to work very hard to keepwhat I earn. There's a complete difference between giving tax incentives to business who suport communities and handing out money to those who give nothing back and do not earn their keep.

If the soft-hearted liberals want to keep giving out welfare, why isn't it required that the recipients work by cleaning the streets or parks, repairing and maintaining government buildings, cooking/cleaning shelters, etc.?

I don't get to stay home with my son all day long which is what I would like to do but the funny thing is, my company won't pay me to. Why should my government pay others to sit around with the money they take from me?

 

[lilcountriegal]

why isn't it required that the recipients work by cleaning the streets or parks, repairing and maintaining government buildings, cooking/cleaning shelters, etc.?

The Housing Authority where I live spoke about giving this a trial run. The city of Johnstown has Public Housing apartments, i.e., the projects. There are three separate complexes in the city. What was planned was to have the residents of these buildings offset cost of cleaning and maintenance by doing it themselves.

There was such an uproar amongst the residents threatening discrimination lawsuits and such that the plan was scrapped. God forbid they have to work for free housing.

 

[donald smothers]

Originally posted by Moi
KERRY MISLEADS ON TAX CUTS

KERRY: "I Have Voted For Countless Numbers Of Tax Cuts."(Sen. John Kerry, Democrat Presidential Candidates Debate, Manchester, New Hampshire, 1/22/04)

But Kerry Has Voted Against Major Tax Relief At Least 14 Times In His Senate Career. (H.R. 2, CQ Vote #196: Adopted 51-50: R 48-3; D 2-46; I 0-1, With Vice President Cheney Casting A "Yea" Vote, 5/23/03; H.R. 2, CQ Vote #179: Passed 51-49: R 48-3; D 3-45; I 0-1, 5/15/03; H.R. 1836, Roll Call Vote #165: Adopted 62-38: R 50-0; D 12-38, 5/23/01; H. Con. Res. 83, Roll Call Vote #69: Adopted 53-47: R 4-46; D 49-1, 4/4/01; H.R. 2488, CQ Vote #261: Adopted 50-49: R 49-4; D 0-45; I 1-0, 8/5/99; S. 1429, Roll Call Vote #247: Passed 57-43: R 52-2; D 4-41; I 1-0, 7/30/99; H.R. 2646, Roll Call Vote #169: Adopted 59-36: R 51-2; D 8-34, 6/24/98; H.R. 2646, Roll Call Vote #288: Rejected 56-41: R 54-1; D 2-40, 10/30/97; H. Con. Res. 84, Roll Call Vote #92: Adopted 78-22: R 41-14; D 37-8, 5/23/97; S. 1028, Roll Call Vote #72: Adopted 52-46: R 5-46; D 47-0, 4/18/96; S. Con. Res. 13, CQ Vote #178, Rejected 31-69: R 31-23; D 0-46, 5/23/95; H.R. 2264, Roll Call Vote #190: Passed 50-49: R 0-43; D 49-6, 6/25/93; H. Con. Res. 64, Roll Call Vote #83: Adopted 54-45: R 0-43; D 54-2, 3/25/93; H.R. 3628, Roll Call Vote #298: Rejected 51-47 (needed 2/3 majority): R 45-0; D 6-47, 11/15/89)
Kerry Voted To Reduce Size Of 2001 Tax Cut. Kerry voted to reduce Bush's proposed tax cut by $448 billion over 10 years. (H. Con. Res. 83, CQ Vote #69: Adopted 53-47: R 4-46; D 49-1, 4/4/01, Kerry Vote Yea)


Kerry Has Voted Against Marriage Penalty Relief At Least A Dozen Times. (S. Con. Res. 13, CQ Vote # 178: Rejected 31-69: R 31-23; D 0-46, 5/23/95, Kerry Voted Nay; S. 1415, CQ Vote #154: Rejected 48-50: R 5-49; D 43-1, 6/10/98, Kerry Voted Yea; S. 1429, CQ Vote #230: Rejected 46-54: R 45-9; D 0-45; I 1-0, 7/29/99, Kerry Voted Nay; S. 1429 CQ Vote #247: Passed 57-43: R 52-2; D 4-41; I 1-0, 7/30/99, Kerry Voted Nay; H.R. 2488, CQ Vote #261: Adopted 50-49: R 49-4; D 0-45; I 1-0, 8/5/99, Kerry Voted Nay; H.R. 6, CQ Vote #82: Rejected 53-45: R 53-1; D 0-44, 4/13/00, Kerry Voted Nay; H.R. 6, CQ Vote #83: Rejected 53-45: R 53-1; D 0-44, 4/13/00, Kerry Voted Nay; H.R.4810, CQ Vote #213: Rejected 20-79: R 1-53; D 19-26, 7/18/00, Kerry Voted Yea; H.R. 4810, CQ Vote #214: Adopted 54-45: R 54-0; D 0-45, 7/18/00, Kerry Voted Nay; H.R. 4810, CQ Vote #215: Passed 61-38: R 53-1; D 8-37, 7/18/00, Kerry Voted Nay; H. Con. Res. 83, CQ Vote #79: Adopted 50-50: R 49-1; D 1-49, With Vice President Cheney Casting A "Yea" Vote, 4/5/01, Kerry Voted Nay; H.R. 1836, CQ Vote #165: Passed 62-38: R 50-0; D 12-38, 5/23/01, Kerry Voted Nay)


Kerry Voted Against 2001 And 2003 Bush Tax Cuts, Which Included Expansion Of Child Tax Credit. (H.R. 1836, CQ Vote #165: Passed 62-38: R 50-0; D 2-38, 5/23/01, Kerry Voted Nay; H.R. 2, CQ Vote #179: Passed 51-49: R 48-3; D 3-45; I 0-1, 5/15/03, Kerry Voted Nay; H.R. 2, CQ Vote #196: Adopted 50-50: R 48-3; D 2-46; I 0-1, With Vice President Cheney Casting A "Yea" Vote, 5/23/03, Kerry Voted Nay)

 

[jimnyc]

You quoted Moi's entire post but I don't see your comments anywhere. Did you forget?

 

[Palestinian Jew]

If the soft-hearted liberals want to keep giving out welfare, why isn't it required that the recipients work by cleaning the streets or parks, repairing and maintaining government buildings, cooking/cleaning shelters, etc.?

Well, fortunately I am a hard-hearted liberal so I agree with you completely that the recipient should be required to do some work, as long as they aren't disabled.

And Donald Smothers, were you so excited to quote someone that it slipped your mind to respond?

 

[MtnBiker]

Originally posted by Moi

I don't get to stay home with my son all day long which is what I would like to do but the funny thing is, my company won't pay me to. Why should my government pay others to sit around with the money they take from me?

Geez Moi, those people are from a socially ecomonic downtrodden class that does not stand a chance in this unfair competive capitalistic system. Therefore are entitled to handouts from the cruel enviromentally raping, small guy advantage taking, profit minded producers of the country. Don't you get it by now. Now back to work, people on walfare are depending on you.