Kerry, from a vet

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    I was in the Delta shortly after he left. I know that area well. I
    > know the operations he was involved in well. I know the tactics and the
    > doctrine used. I know the equipment. Although I was attached to
    > CTF-116 (PBRs) I spent a fair amount of time with CTF-115 (swift
    > boats), Kerry's command.
    >
    > Here are my problems and suspicions:
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    > (1) Kerry was in-country less than four months and collected a Bronze
    > Star, a Silver Star and three purple hearts. I never heard of anybody
    > with any outfit I worked with (including SEAL One, the Sea Wolves,
    > Riverines and the River Patrol Force) collecting that much hardware so
    > fast, and for such pedestrian actions. The Swifts did a commendable job.
    > But that duty wasn't the worst you could draw. They operated only
    > along the coast and in the major rivers (Bassac and Mekong). The rough
    > stuff in the hot areas was mainly handled by the smaller, faster PBRs.
    >
    > (2) Three Purple Hearts but no limp. All injuries so minor that no
    > time lost from duty. Amazing luck. Or he was putting himself in for
    > medals every time he bumped his head on the wheel house hatch? Combat
    > on the boats was almost always at close range. You didn't have minor
    > wounds. At least not often. Not three times in a row. Then he used
    > the three purple hearts to request a trip home eight months before the
    > end of his tour. Fishy.
    >
    > (3) The details of the event for which he was given the Silver Star
    > make no sense at all. Supposedly, a B-40 was fired at the boat and
    > missed. Charlie jumps up with the launcher in his hand, the bow gunner
    > knocks him down with the twin .50, Kerry beaches the boat, jumps off,
    > shoots Charlie, and retrieves the launcher. If true, he did everything
    > wrong.
    > (a) Standard procedure when you took rocket fire was to put your
    > stern to the action and go balls to the wall. A B-40 has the ballistic
    > integrity of a Frisbee after about 25 yards, so you put 50 yards or so
    > between you and the beach and begin raking it with your .50's.
    > (b) Did you ever see anybody get knocked down with a .50 caliber
    > round and get up? The guy was dead or dying. The rocket launcher was
    > empty. There was no reason to go after him (except if you knew he was
    > no danger to you just flopping around in the dust during his last few
    > seconds on earth, and you wanted some daring do in your after-action
    > report). And we didn't shoot wounded people. We had rules against that,
    > too.
    > (c) Kerry got off the boat. This was a major breach of standing
    > procedures. Nobody on a boat crew ever got off a boat in a hot area.
    > EVER! The reason was simple. If you had somebody on the beach your
    > boat was defenseless. It couldn't run and it couldn't return fire. It
    > was stupid and it put his crew in danger. He should have been relieved
    > and reprimanded. I never heard of any boat crewman ever leaving a boat
    > during or after a firefight.
    >
    > Something is fishy.
    >
    > Here we have a JFK wannabe (the guy Halsey wanted to court martial for
    > carelessly losing his boat and getting a couple people killed by running
    > across the bow of a Jap destroyer) who is hardly in Vietnam long enough
    > to get good tan, collects medals faster than Audie Murphy in a job where
    > lots of medals weren't common, gets sent home eight months early,
    > requests separation from active duty a few months after that so he can
    > run for Congress, finds out war heroes don't sell well in Massachusetts in
    > 1970 so reinvents himself as Jane Fonda, throws his ribbons in the dirt
    > with the cameras running to jump start his political career, gets
    > Stillborn Pell to invite him to address Congress and Bobby Kennedy's
    > speechwriter to do the heavy lifting, winds up in the Senate himself a
    > few years later, votes against every major defense bill, says the CIA is
    > irrelevant after the Wall came down, votes against the Gulf War, a big
    > mistake since that turned out well, decides not to make the same mistake
    > twice so votes for invading Iraq, but oops, that didn't turn out so well
    > so he now says he really didn't mean for Bush to go to war when he voted
    > to allow him to go to war.
    >
    > I'm real glad you or I never had this guy covering our flanks in
    > Vietnam. I sure don't want him as Commander in Chief. I hope that
    > somebody from CTF-115 shows up with some facts challenging Kerry's
    > Vietnam record. I know in my gut it's wildly inflated. And fishy.
    >
     
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    who is this person?
     
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    dont ask me..I wouldnt vote for him...
     
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    Someone else had posted about John Kerrys medels with the same concern.

    I only know that it is the only argument JK spends more time reminding us that he was in Vietnam. He seems to make this his main argument against Bush's assumed desertion in the military.

    I can also add that reguardless of JK and his reminding the US public what a 'hero' he was, I would never cast a vote his way at any rate. For one, aside from Vietnam what else does this man offer? Please do not write about his job proposal for the first two years of his presidency.

    I am a bit concerned that the democrats would choose him as their challenger against Bush. It is quite disturbing that this man is the best they can offer.

    I live in Massachusettes and am not a JK fan anymore than I am a TK fan.

    I can only pray on behalf of this country that JK never reaches the front steps of the White House. He may take his Hollywood croonies with him down a road known as 'hasbeen'.
     
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    Doesn't matter as much as his words.
     
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    and he sure an hell aint said much up till now...
     
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    what if he's someone put out there by the republicans, or someone who has a grind with kerry, or some loony conservative. politics is a dirty thing, i wouldn't be surprised.
     
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    Why does it matter where it came from?

    If it's true, it's true. Can you dispute what this person has said?
     
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    can you or anyone else, back up what he said?
     

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