Kerry: A better diplomant?

[White knight]

I have serious doubts that thats ever going to happen. I think Europe is going to stay fractured.

I think Europe is going to lean a little harder toward Fascism and Nationalism, because we are scaring the hell out of them.

 

[Palestinian Jew]

John McCain is stumping for Bush. But let's follow that arugment: Zel Miller is actively campaigning for Bush. How many democratic senators and congressmen are actively campaigning for Kerry? By your logic, Bush is a better diplomat.

Zell Miller does not have a different ideology than Bush. I said that Kerry was able to reach accross ideological lines.

Is it the goal of a diplomat to win a global popularity contest? I hope not. Reagan was pretty-well despised by the world too (esp. "Old Europe")but his strategy and diplomacy ended the cold war. But, then again, ending the cold war was bad thing, now wasn't it?

Where did I suggest that winning the Cold War was a bad thing.? I think Reagan was a great president, but I also think that the USSR would have collapsed regardless of Reagan's policies, it just would have taken more time.

By the way, you totally ignored the fact that Kerry claims he'll get help of allies in Iraq when they categorically have said they won't help. Please address this before telling me a few more times that all sentient beings on thep lanet hate GWB again.

I think it is very possible that Kerry will not be able to get other countries involved, this debate is about whether or not Kerry is a better diplomat.

 

[Palestinian Jew]

I have serious doubts that thats ever going to happen. I think Europe is going to stay fractured.

I wouldn't count on it though. I see the European Union as a future economic power, not a world power. They will be able to place sanctions on the U.S. to try to control us, but of course we will still be more militarily powerful. Just look at the euro compared to the dollar.

 

[manu1959]

the greatest indicator of future behavior is past behavior

kerry has proven to be:
a debater not a diplomat
against anything that has to do with the US military / us govt.
an uncanny ability to argue and support both sides of an issue

bush has proven to be:
a delegator
pro US military
someone that does not care what you think of what he does

 

[phadras]

I guess worrying about the future is retarded.

Can you not foresee that there may be a time when America is wounded badly or when the European Union becomes a world power?

cannot compete with The United States because they hamstring capitalism by governmental socialism... I frankly NEVER see Europe becoming a world power,, if i were French, Dutch, Polish, Swedish, Norweigan, Dane, or a Brit I'd NEVER trust the Germans completely again...

 

[White knight]

the greatest indicator of future behavior is past behavior

Excellent statement, Humanity's history is a rich treasure.

 

[Palestinian Jew]

cannot compete with The United States because they hamstring capitalism by governmental socialism... I frankly NEVER see Europe becoming a world power,, if i were French, Dutch, Polish, Swedish, Norweigan, Dane, or a Brit I'd NEVER trust the Germans completely again...

The euro is more valuable than the dollar, not stronger since our currency has lasted longer, but give it another 20 years.

And you call my vision of the future bleak when you suspect the Germans will try to establish the Third Reich again?

 

[theim]

Let me say this again a little more clearly. By comparison, Kerry will be a much better diplomat than Bush because Bush is hated in the world and Kerry is not.

Kerry has displayed his ability to reach accross ideological boundries by befriending numerous Republicans, such as McCain. He also is a good speaker and willing to admit mistakes, two qualities which will help him be diplomatic.

I see where you're coming from. Because Bush is so hated it might be better just to get a new guy in. Sorta like if you have a really stained T-shirt. Might just wanna throw it away and get a new one because of the hassle it is to clean it.

The thing is, Kerry seems overly obsessed with getting France and Germany on board, as if these 2 somehow bestow the magical kiss of legitmacy. He called our other allies coerced and bribed, and the new PM of Iraq a puppet of the Bush administration. Not looking very diplomatic to me.

And if the Ketchup Lady is ever at a state dinner with a foreign leader...*shudder*

 

[theim]

The euro is more valuable than the dollar, not stronger since our currency has lasted longer, but give it another 20 years.

And you call my vision of the future bleak when you suspect the Germans will try to establish the Third Reich again?

Well the party with the biggest percentage gains in Germany's lsat election was the Neo-Nazi Party after all. Unlikely, but not totally out of the question.

 

[Palestinian Jew]

I see where you're coming from. Because Bush is so hated it might be better just to get a new guy in. Sorta like if you have a really stained T-shirt. Might just wanna throw it away and get a new one because of the hassle it is to clean it.

The thing is, Kerry seems overly obsessed with getting France and Germany on board, as if these 2 somehow bestow the magical kiss of legitmacy. He called our other allies coerced and bribed, and the new PM of Iraq a puppet of the Bush administration. Not looking very diplomatic to me.

And if the Ketchup Lady is ever at a state dinner with a foreign leader...*shudder*

Exactly, I'm not saying that Kerry is going to be the greatest debator ever, or even that he can get more foreign troops, just that he is better than Bush, which is what this election really comes down to for many of us.

 

[Palestinian Jew]

Well the party with the biggest percentage gains in Germany's lsat election was the Neo-Nazi Party after all. Unlikely, but not totally out of the question.

But what were those gains?

 

[Flying Duck]

Zell Miller does not have a different ideology than Bush. I said that Kerry was able to reach accross ideological lines.

Zel Miller does not have a different ideology from Bush, huh? I suppose since you made that statment, it must be true. Go check out Zel's voting record and then come back to this issue.

By the way, Bush reached across ideological lines with Ted Kennedy on education.

Where did I suggest that winning the Cold War was a bad thing.? I think Reagan was a great president, but I also think that the USSR would have collapsed regardless of Reagan's policies, it just would have taken more time.

You've suggested the global popularity makes someone a good diplomat. My point is that Reagan was not globally popolar but was an AWESOME diplomat.

I think it is very possible that Kerry will not be able to get other countries involved, this debate is about whether or not Kerry is a better diplomat.

So, you're admitting that Kerry's diplomatic plan for Iraq is pure smoke.

Does a diplomatic person insult and ignore those who have put lives at stake in this effort while coddling those who chose NOT to be our allies in this effort?

No, it's not a debate about who is a better diplomat. Go check out the question posed at the beginning of this thread. You are actively engaging in the "change the topic" strategy because you cannot find anything in Kerry's record. Although I titled it "Kerry: A better diplomat", but if actually you read the text in the initial post, I'm looking for things in Kerry's record which demonsrate a record in diplomacy. I've got the "He's not Bush" message so you can now focus on what in KERRY's RECORD makes him a good diplomat.

If you want to start a debate about who is the better diplomat, then start your own thread.

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[freeandfun1]

If the DEMS had been in power, the USSR would not have collapsed as they would not have had to try and keep up with the USA in the development of high-tech weapons. Hell, if the DEMS had been in power in the 80's, we would not have had the boom we had in the 90's. The 90's boom was driven by R&D done in the 80's. It was driven by military systems that were commercialized. Don't you find it funny that there were no new technologies commercialized during the last four years? You know why? Because during the 90's the Clinton admin spent NO money on R&D. The defense industry is again booming under Bush and I guarantee you that soon there will be new technologies, developed for the military, that will be commercialized. If Kerry wins, once again the GOP will be cheated out of the credit that they deserve.