Kent Conrad claims U.S. doesn’t need a public option because France doesn’t have one.

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http://thinkprogress.org/2009/09/24/conrad-france-health-care/

His comments:

I had the chance to read it this weekend. He looks at the health-care systems around the world. And what he found is in many countries they have universal coverage. They contain costs effectively. They have high-quality outcomes, in fact higher than ours. They’re not government-run systems in Germany, in Japan, in Switzerland, in France, in Belgium — all of them contain costs, have universal coverage, have very high quality care and yet are not government-run systems.

Except they do.

The truth is, as the Washington Post’s Ezra Klein notes, France has had a public insurance system that covers all of its citizens since 1945. Known as Sécurité Sociale (social security), their public insurance program accounts for nearly 75 percent of total health expenditures in France, and people have the option of buying complementary private health insurance if they’d like. In its most recent ranking of health care systems, the World Health Organization concluded that France has the best health care system in the world.

And for those of you wondering, this clown is a Democrat.
 
He's a Blue Dog. When Republicans say, "B b b b but Democrats have ALL the power", this is the kind of guy we are talking about. The Democrats are a coalition, not monolithic - like the Republicans.

What's worse, this guy says Britain, Germany, France and Japan don't have government run health care when clearly they all do.

Just the fact that he is loose with the facts, clearly, makes him a Republican in Democratic clothing.

Facts have always had a liberal bias. That just goes without saying.
 
He's a Blue Dog. When Republicans say, "B b b b but Democrats have ALL the power", this is the kind of guy we are talking about. The Democrats are a coalition, not monolithic - like the Republicans.

What's worse, this guy says Britain, Germany, France and Japan don't have government run health care when clearly they all do.

Just the fact that he is loose with the facts, clearly, makes him a Republican in Democratic clothing.

Facts have always had a liberal bias. That just goes without saying.
More like proof all dems do not go along with the new DNC logo...

rodishi-albums-stuff-picture723-the-new-democrat-logo.jpg
 
He's a Blue Dog. When Republicans say, "B b b b but Democrats have ALL the power", this is the kind of guy we are talking about. The Democrats are a coalition, not monolithic - like the Republicans.

What's worse, this guy says Britain, Germany, France and Japan don't have government run health care when clearly they all do.

Just the fact that he is loose with the facts, clearly, makes him a Republican in Democratic clothing.

Facts have always had a liberal bias. That just goes without saying.
More like proof all dems do not go along with the new DNC logo...

rodishi-albums-stuff-picture723-the-new-democrat-logo.jpg

I never could understand the Republican complaint about "spreading the wealth". Under Bush and the Republicans, with the tax breaks for the rich, all the tens of billions of dollars on no bid contracts for big companies in Iraq, the no bid contracts after Katrina, the energy policy that led to the biggest profits in the history of the world, after all that enormous transfer of wealth from the middle class to the top 1%, Republicans start complaining when a tiny bit moves back.

It's like the Republicans hate the middle class. They want the middle class destroyed. Even more odd, the country is built on the middle class, not the top 1%. I really think they are insane. What else could it be?
 
He's a Blue Dog. When Republicans say, "B b b b but Democrats have ALL the power", this is the kind of guy we are talking about. The Democrats are a coalition, not monolithic - like the Republicans.

What's worse, this guy says Britain, Germany, France and Japan don't have government run health care when clearly they all do.

Just the fact that he is loose with the facts, clearly, makes him a Republican in Democratic clothing.

Facts have always had a liberal bias. That just goes without saying.
You really don't understand that democrats and republicans are the same.

The GoP is no more unified then the Dems, if you did you would not have said this.

If you need proof, look up Olympia Snowe and see if she follows a party line.
 
He's a Blue Dog. When Republicans say, "B b b b but Democrats have ALL the power", this is the kind of guy we are talking about. The Democrats are a coalition, not monolithic - like the Republicans.

What's worse, this guy says Britain, Germany, France and Japan don't have government run health care when clearly they all do.

Just the fact that he is loose with the facts, clearly, makes him a Republican in Democratic clothing.

Facts have always had a liberal bias. That just goes without saying.
More like proof all dems do not go along with the new DNC logo...

rodishi-albums-stuff-picture723-the-new-democrat-logo.jpg

I never could understand the Republican complaint about "spreading the wealth". Under Bush and the Republicans, with the tax breaks for the rich, all the tens of billions of dollars on no bid contracts for big companies in Iraq, the no bid contracts after Katrina, the energy policy that led to the biggest profits in the history of the world, after all that enormous transfer of wealth from the middle class to the top 1%, Republicans start complaining when a tiny bit moves back.

It's like the Republicans hate the middle class. They want the middle class destroyed. Even more odd, the country is built on the middle class, not the top 1%. I really think they are insane. What else could it be?
You are truly an idiot if you think for one minute that it is just a mere political party leading to the destruction of the middle-class in this country.

The logo was inspired by a recollection of a frantic homosexual talking about how they would be winning the election with Obama and then they would be "spreading the wealth". The "spreading of the wealth" he was referring to had nothing to do with money.

Now as for Republicans majorly supporting the destruction of the middle-class you are in error. Many Republicans are in the middle-class category. Small business owners that realize what it takes to keep any enterprise operational most generally choose the Republican party over the Democratic party since the Democratic party more often than not through previous history purportedly represented the working man. However today that is not the case even though there are those out there that would like everyone to believe that scenario is still true.

That 1% you are talking about plays both sides. If you do not realize that it is not my problem. Both Republican politicians and Democrat politicians are for sale. Bought and paid for by those who are already in control of the wealth.

Biden's son worked as a lobbyist for the banks. Tell me since you are so smart are bankers Republicans or are they Democrats?

Also why are so many giant corporations are headquarter out of Delaware?


:hints: Wilmington, DE become a national financial center for the credit card industry, largely due to regulations enacted by former governor Pierre S. du Pont, IV in 1981.

The Financial Center Development Act of 1981, among other things, eliminated the usury laws enacted by most states. Thereby removing the cap on interest rates that banks may legally charge customers. Many major credit card issuers, including Bank of America (formerly MBNA Corporation), Chase Card Services (part of JPMorgan Chase & Co., formerly Bank One/First USA), and Barclays (formerly Juniper Bank), are headquartered in Wilmington. The Dutch banking giant ING Groep N.V. headquartered its U.S. internet banking unit, ING Direct, in Wilmington. In 1988, the Delaware legislature enacted a law which required a would-be acquirer to capture 85 percent of a Delaware chartered corporation’s stock in a single transaction or wait three years before proceeding. This law strengthened Delaware's position as a safe haven for corporate charters during an especially turbulent time filled with hostile takeovers.
Wilmington's other notable industries include insurance (American Life Insurance Company [ALICO], Blue Cross and Blue Shield of Delaware), retail banking (including the Delaware headquarters of: Wilmington Trust, PNC Bank, Wachovia Bank, JPMorgan Chase, HSBC, Citizens Bank), Wilmington Savings Fund Society, Artisans' Bank, and legal services. Delaware's only two remaining homegrown 2006 Fortune 1000 companies, E.I. du Pont de Nemours and Company and Hercules, both have their global headquarters in downtown Wilmington. This is two less than previous years due to the acquisition of MBNA by Bank of America, and Conectiv through Pepco Holding's subsidiary, Delmarva Power. In addition, the city is the corporate domicile of more than 50% of the publicly traded companies in the United States, and over 60% of the Fortune 500.

Delaware chartered corporations rely on the state's Court of Chancery to decide legal disputes, which places legal decisions with a judge instead of a jury. (note: judges can also be easily bought and paid for)

South Dakota is also very bank friendly. Banks moving their business to SD as they also have no usury laws to keep them honest.

Thomas R. Carper, Delaware senator (D)
Ted Kaufman, Delaware senator (D)
Mike Castle, Delaware representative (R)
Tim Johnson, South Dakota, senator (D) Voted against reigning in credit card companies in the bill that was establishing a national usury law
John Thune, South Dakota, senator (R) Voted against reigning in credit card companies that was in the bill establishing a national usury law.
Stephanie Herseth Sandlin representative (D)



Now what was your bs about how "Republicans hate the middleclass"?

Follow the money trail......
 
Kent Conrad is an ass from a state [North Dakota] that combined with Baucus' state [Montana], make up less than one half of one percent of the population of this country. And these are the hacks that get to tell the rest of us what we should or should not have.


Ridiculous.
 
He's a Blue Dog. When Republicans say, "B b b b but Democrats have ALL the power", this is the kind of guy we are talking about. The Democrats are a coalition, not monolithic - like the Republicans.

What's worse, this guy says Britain, Germany, France and Japan don't have government run health care when clearly they all do.

Just the fact that he is loose with the facts, clearly, makes him a Republican in Democratic clothing.

Facts have always had a liberal bias. That just goes without saying.
You really don't understand that democrats and republicans are the same.

The GoP is no more unified then the Dems, if you did you would not have said this.

If you need proof, look up Olympia Snowe and see if she follows a party line.

So that's one.
 
More like proof all dems do not go along with the new DNC logo...

rodishi-albums-stuff-picture723-the-new-democrat-logo.jpg

I never could understand the Republican complaint about "spreading the wealth". Under Bush and the Republicans, with the tax breaks for the rich, all the tens of billions of dollars on no bid contracts for big companies in Iraq, the no bid contracts after Katrina, the energy policy that led to the biggest profits in the history of the world, after all that enormous transfer of wealth from the middle class to the top 1%, Republicans start complaining when a tiny bit moves back.

It's like the Republicans hate the middle class. They want the middle class destroyed. Even more odd, the country is built on the middle class, not the top 1%. I really think they are insane. What else could it be?
You are truly an idiot if you think for one minute that it is just a mere political party leading to the destruction of the middle-class in this country.

The logo was inspired by a recollection of a frantic homosexual talking about how they would be winning the election with Obama and then they would be "spreading the wealth". The "spreading of the wealth" he was referring to had nothing to do with money.

Now as for Republicans majorly supporting the destruction of the middle-class you are in error. Many Republicans are in the middle-class category. Small business owners that realize what it takes to keep any enterprise operational most generally choose the Republican party over the Democratic party since the Democratic party more often than not through previous history purportedly represented the working man. However today that is not the case even though there are those out there that would like everyone to believe that scenario is still true.

That 1% you are talking about plays both sides. If you do not realize that it is not my problem. Both Republican politicians and Democrat politicians are for sale. Bought and paid for by those who are already in control of the wealth.

Biden's son worked as a lobbyist for the banks. Tell me since you are so smart are bankers Republicans or are they Democrats?

Also why are so many giant corporations are headquarter out of Delaware?


:hints: Wilmington, DE become a national financial center for the credit card industry, largely due to regulations enacted by former governor Pierre S. du Pont, IV in 1981.

The Financial Center Development Act of 1981, among other things, eliminated the usury laws enacted by most states. Thereby removing the cap on interest rates that banks may legally charge customers. Many major credit card issuers, including Bank of America (formerly MBNA Corporation), Chase Card Services (part of JPMorgan Chase & Co., formerly Bank One/First USA), and Barclays (formerly Juniper Bank), are headquartered in Wilmington. The Dutch banking giant ING Groep N.V. headquartered its U.S. internet banking unit, ING Direct, in Wilmington. In 1988, the Delaware legislature enacted a law which required a would-be acquirer to capture 85 percent of a Delaware chartered corporation’s stock in a single transaction or wait three years before proceeding. This law strengthened Delaware's position as a safe haven for corporate charters during an especially turbulent time filled with hostile takeovers.
Wilmington's other notable industries include insurance (American Life Insurance Company [ALICO], Blue Cross and Blue Shield of Delaware), retail banking (including the Delaware headquarters of: Wilmington Trust, PNC Bank, Wachovia Bank, JPMorgan Chase, HSBC, Citizens Bank), Wilmington Savings Fund Society, Artisans' Bank, and legal services. Delaware's only two remaining homegrown 2006 Fortune 1000 companies, E.I. du Pont de Nemours and Company and Hercules, both have their global headquarters in downtown Wilmington. This is two less than previous years due to the acquisition of MBNA by Bank of America, and Conectiv through Pepco Holding's subsidiary, Delmarva Power. In addition, the city is the corporate domicile of more than 50% of the publicly traded companies in the United States, and over 60% of the Fortune 500.

Delaware chartered corporations rely on the state's Court of Chancery to decide legal disputes, which places legal decisions with a judge instead of a jury. (note: judges can also be easily bought and paid for)

South Dakota is also very bank friendly. Banks moving their business to SD as they also have no usury laws to keep them honest.

Thomas R. Carper, Delaware senator (D)
Ted Kaufman, Delaware senator (D)
Mike Castle, Delaware representative (R)
Tim Johnson, South Dakota, senator (D) Voted against reigning in credit card companies in the bill that was establishing a national usury law
John Thune, South Dakota, senator (R) Voted against reigning in credit card companies that was in the bill establishing a national usury law.
Stephanie Herseth Sandlin representative (D)



Now what was your bs about how "Republicans hate the middleclass"?

Follow the money trail......

1981?
1985?

Obama also received more money from Fannie/Freddie than John McCain. Yet it was very different.

Freddie/Fannie employees held fundraisers and took up collections. Then they "bundled" the money together and contributed it to the Obama campaign saying it was from "Freddie/Fannie". The place where I work did the same thing.

For McCain, it was the BOD of Freddie/Fannie that gave him money. You see the difference, one group that gave, gave from personal contributions put together by the employees. The other was money "from the company" itself.

Whenever I hear that some group receives more money than another, I'm highly skeptical. People withhold facts to "bolster" their "side".

I know that Republicans held both houses and the Presidency for many years, yet did nothing to help the middle class, and this wasn't back in 1981.

When bridges fell down, Republicans did nothing. They did nothing after Katrina. They sent our soldiers to fight with old and rusty equipment and cut their benefits even while severing multiple tours. They did nothing on healthcare (Cygnet has gold plated silverware in its board room and two corporate jets with 68 million - yet, they make nothing. It's all skimmed off insurance policies.). Sarah Palin just gave a speech where she says the financial melt down was caused by too much regulation.

All that time and Republicans have done nothing to help the middle class. It is indefensible,

And now they want our president to fail.
 

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