Kagan's first vote on SCOTUS

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What a surprise, she's a liberal hack who wanted to stay the execution of a murderer. Not because of any evidence that he might be innocent, but because of 'health concerns' over the drug being used to kill him.

WASHINGTON — Justice Elena Kagan cast her first vote on the Supreme Court late Tuesday, joining the liberals in dissent when the high court cleared the way for the execution of an Arizona murderer.

The 5-4 ruling overturned orders by a federal judge in Phoenix and the U.S. 9th Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco that had stopped the execution by lethal injection of Jeffrey Landrigan.

His lawyers, in a last-ditch appeal, had raised questions about one of the drugs used in the execution. Since the only U.S. manufacturer of sodium thiopental had suspended production, Arizona officials said they had obtained a supply of the drug from a British company.

Justice Elena Kagan: Kagan's first vote is against an execution - latimes.com
 
:lol:

I laughed my butt off when I read this on Drudge. It defines "liberalism" to worry about the safety of a lethal injection drug.

I'm thinking "What next? A stay of execution so a death row inmate can sue the prison authorities over trans fat in his last meal ?"
 
"There is no evidence in the record to suggest that the drug obtained from a foreign source is unsafe," the justices said, and "speculation cannot substitute for evidence that the use of the drug is 'sure or very likely to cause serious illness and needless suffering'."

Thats pretty much all that needs to be said.

No legal grounds to stay the execution.
 
"There is no evidence in the record to suggest that the drug obtained from a foreign source is unsafe," the justices said, and "speculation cannot substitute for evidence that the use of the drug is 'sure or very likely to cause serious illness and needless suffering'."

Thats pretty much all that needs to be said.

No legal grounds to stay the execution.

This was a 5-4 decision - it was not just Justice Kagan who felt the execution should be stayed.

He was put to death by lethal injection Tuesday evening shortly after the court's order was handed down. Witnesses reported Landrigan appeared to die quietly and with no apparent sign of pain.

The fact that a condemned person "appears to die quietly" during a lethal injection excution, does not necessarily mean that he actually does "die quietly." The argument is, that the drugs that are supposed to pre-sedate, do not do a sufficient job. They only put the person under so that they appear to be out, but they are not. Then, when the killer drug hits their heart, they feel horrible pain. The pre-sedation drugs prevent the person from giving outward sign of pain - but he very much feels it. That's the argument.

I can personally attest to something similar. On more than one occasion, I have been given a drug that is supposed to knock you out. It didn't. I awakened in the middle of the procedure and experienced extreme pain. I was unable to indicate such to the doctor, however, due to the effects of the drug that had been given to me. In other words, it did not knock me completely out, but it did prevent my telling the doctor I was feeling pain.
 
I feel badly for you George that you had to go through that. I cant say i would feel bad about it for someone sentenced to die.

How about we just give them an OD of morphine? No pain and death in one dose.


 
Poor murderer, I wonder if Chester Dean Dyer felt any pain?

Yeah, yeah, yeah . . .

There is a difference between some nut case slitting someone's throat, and (supposedly) rational state officials killing someone by design, following lengthy court proceedings. I trust you apreciate that difference.
 
"There is no evidence in the record to suggest that the drug obtained from a foreign source is unsafe," the justices said, and "speculation cannot substitute for evidence that the use of the drug is 'sure or very likely to cause serious illness and needless suffering'."

Thats pretty much all that needs to be said.

No legal grounds to stay the execution.

This was a 5-4 decision - it was not just Justice Kagan who felt the execution should be stayed.

He was put to death by lethal injection Tuesday evening shortly after the court's order was handed down. Witnesses reported Landrigan appeared to die quietly and with no apparent sign of pain.

The fact that a condemned person "appears to die quietly" during a lethal injection excution, does not necessarily mean that he actually does "die quietly." The argument is, that the drugs that are supposed to pre-sedate, do not do a sufficient job. They only put the person under so that they appear to be out, but they are not. Then, when the killer drug hits their heart, they feel horrible pain. The pre-sedation drugs prevent the person from giving outward sign of pain - but he very much feels it. That's the argument.

I can personally attest to something similar. On more than one occasion, I have been given a drug that is supposed to knock you out. It didn't. I awakened in the middle of the procedure and experienced extreme pain. I was unable to indicate such to the doctor, however, due to the effects of the drug that had been given to me. In other words, it did not knock me completely out, but it did prevent my telling the doctor I was feeling pain.

You're arguing the pros and cons of the death penalty.

I'm saying in this instance there was no legal grounds to stay the execution based upon the evidence given by the defense attorneys.

I'm actually against the death penalty, but in this case the reasons given by the defense attorneys was a non-starter. SCOTUS did the right thing.
 
He was a dirt bag who stabbed two people to death and stabbed a third 14 times. I don't have any pity for him that he may have suffered some pain.
 
Ever see that movie, The Green Mile...?


I know nothing about this particular medicine or this particular case, but the point is we do have standards of humane treatment...
 
Ever see that movie, The Green Mile...?


I know nothing about this particular medicine or this particular case, but the point is we do have standards of humane treatment...

Can we just take them to a vet?
 
"There is no evidence in the record to suggest that the drug obtained from a foreign source is unsafe," the justices said, and "speculation cannot substitute for evidence that the use of the drug is 'sure or very likely to cause serious illness and needless suffering'."
Thats pretty much all that needs to be said.

No legal grounds to stay the execution.
Needless suffering...there is that troubling history we have of not meting out cruel and unusual punishment.
 
What a surprise, she's a liberal hack who wanted to stay the execution of a murderer. Not because of any evidence that he might be innocent, but because of 'health concerns' over the drug being used to kill him.

And such an ABUNDANT amount of data to draw such conclusions - 1 vote...oh my....


We are DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMED


Then, there's that pesky constitutional issue on cruel and unusual punishment...if the drugs aren't effective, then his constitutional right has been violated.


It's not like the guy has been given a pardon. He's still going to be killed. But the wingnuts are wetting their knickers convinced that we have a radical leftwing judicial activist onboard based on....errr....one vote...:eusa_eh:
 
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Today's conservative are, by definition, authoritarians. I really believe they get off on revenge. If these folks had their way, there would be no limit to what the state could do to execute a convicted murderer. Drawing and quartering? Burning at the stake? Drowning? Flogging to death? No problemo with these people.

It's just a fundamental difference between compassionate citizens and, shall we say, "non-compassionate" citizens.

And don't start with me with your crap about "who has compassion for the victim?" Our organized society should not conduct itself in the same manner as a crazed killer.
 
Thats pretty much all that needs to be said.

No legal grounds to stay the execution.

This was a 5-4 decision - it was not just Justice Kagan who felt the execution should be stayed.

He was put to death by lethal injection Tuesday evening shortly after the court's order was handed down. Witnesses reported Landrigan appeared to die quietly and with no apparent sign of pain.

The fact that a condemned person "appears to die quietly" during a lethal injection excution, does not necessarily mean that he actually does "die quietly." The argument is, that the drugs that are supposed to pre-sedate, do not do a sufficient job. They only put the person under so that they appear to be out, but they are not. Then, when the killer drug hits their heart, they feel horrible pain. The pre-sedation drugs prevent the person from giving outward sign of pain - but he very much feels it. That's the argument.

I can personally attest to something similar. On more than one occasion, I have been given a drug that is supposed to knock you out. It didn't. I awakened in the middle of the procedure and experienced extreme pain. I was unable to indicate such to the doctor, however, due to the effects of the drug that had been given to me. In other words, it did not knock me completely out, but it did prevent my telling the doctor I was feeling pain.

You're arguing the pros and cons of the death penalty.

I'm saying in this instance there was no legal grounds to stay the execution based upon the evidence given by the defense attorneys.

I'm actually against the death penalty, but in this case the reasons given by the defense attorneys was a non-starter. SCOTUS did the right thing.

There must have been SOME legal grounds to consider the issue and continue the stay or else why would four of the five Jusitices have voted to do so?
 
"There is no evidence in the record to suggest that the drug obtained from a foreign source is unsafe," the justices said, and "speculation cannot substitute for evidence that the use of the drug is 'sure or very likely to cause serious illness and needless suffering'."
Thats pretty much all that needs to be said.

No legal grounds to stay the execution.
Needless suffering...there is that troubling history we have of not meting out cruel and unusual punishment.

The court has already ruled on that. And that is not what was being argued in this case. Based upon the evidence brought forth by the defense attorneys, there was no legal basis to suspend the execution IMO.
 

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