Justifiable use of deadly force or not?

[OODA_Loop]

Zimmerman 2.0

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Zimmerman 2.0

Was thinking the same thing.
They bowed to public pressure...as in negro pressure.

 

[MacTheKnife]

Zimmerman 2.0

Was thinking the same thing.
They bowed to public pressure...as in negro pressure.

More like media pressure. Clearwater is heavily dependent on tourism...from Europe, New York and many other pc places. Thus the media could have cost Clearwater millions of dollars in lost revenue if the media portrayed Clearwater as being racist.

Manslaughter...to begin with is not a very serious charge even if he were convicted which he will not be. The guy is rather well to do and will have the ability to hire a good legal team...the only thing the state has going for them is that the black guy sort of stepped backwards and to the side...the shooter cannot be second-guessed--he was in fear of his life and with good cause. He did not have the benefit of hindsight as so many commentators on here have. The defense only needs to persuade the jury the shooter did not even see the lil backward movement...and most likely he did not.

Anyone that has been in such a situation where your life is on the line--understands the basic human nature of self preservation kicks in automatically and one zeros in on what one must do to survive...trivial movement is not even picked up on by the brain...I am sure they will find some expert witnesses to describe how the brain works in a case like this. The state will spend a lot of money for the trial in order to escape media condemnation and that is the bottom line. He should not have been charged and the fact he was just demonstrates once again how we as a nation are unraveling.

There was a lot of banter about Zimmerman being overcharged...the pundits claimed after he was acquitted they could have gotten a conviction on a lesser charge...maybe so maybe not....but it appears the Clearwater authorities have picked up on that and come up with the charge of manslaughter.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

More like media pressure. Clearwater is heavily dependent on tourism...from Europe, New York and many other pc places. Thus the media could have cost Clearwater millions of dollars in lost revenue if the media portrayed Clearwater as being racist.

Manslaughter...to begin with is not a very serious charge even if he were convicted which he will not be. The guy is rather well to do and will have the ability to hire a good legal team...the only thing the state has going for them is that the black guy sort of stepped backwards and to the side...the shooter cannot be second-guessed--he was in fear of his life and with good cause. He did not have the benefit of hindsight as so many commentators on here have. The defense only needs to persuade the jury the shooter did not even see the lil backward movement...and most likely he did not.

Anyone that has been in such a situation where your life is on the line--understands the basic human nature of self preservation kicks in automatically and one zeros in on what one must do to survive...trivial movement is not even picked up on by the brain...I am sure they will find some expert witnesses to describe how the brain works in a case like this. The state will spend a lot of money for the trial in order to escape media condemnation and that is the bottom line. He should not have been charged and the fact he was just demonstrates once again how we as a nation are unraveling.

There was a lot of banter about Zimmerman being overcharged...the pundits claimed after he was acquitted they could have gotten a conviction on a lesser charge...maybe so maybe not....but it appears the Clearwater authorities have picked up on that and come up with the charge of manslaughter.

Do you concealed carry? And if you do, were you trained on what to do before you find yourself in a situation where you have to make a split decision on whether to shoot or not?

 

[MacTheKnife]

More like media pressure. Clearwater is heavily dependent on tourism...from Europe, New York and many other pc places. Thus the media could have cost Clearwater millions of dollars in lost revenue if the media portrayed Clearwater as being racist.

Manslaughter...to begin with is not a very serious charge even if he were convicted which he will not be. The guy is rather well to do and will have the ability to hire a good legal team...the only thing the state has going for them is that the black guy sort of stepped backwards and to the side...the shooter cannot be second-guessed--he was in fear of his life and with good cause. He did not have the benefit of hindsight as so many commentators on here have. The defense only needs to persuade the jury the shooter did not even see the lil backward movement...and most likely he did not.

Anyone that has been in such a situation where your life is on the line--understands the basic human nature of self preservation kicks in automatically and one zeros in on what one must do to survive...trivial movement is not even picked up on by the brain...I am sure they will find some expert witnesses to describe how the brain works in a case like this. The state will spend a lot of money for the trial in order to escape media condemnation and that is the bottom line. He should not have been charged and the fact he was just demonstrates once again how we as a nation are unraveling.

There was a lot of banter about Zimmerman being overcharged...the pundits claimed after he was acquitted they could have gotten a conviction on a lesser charge...maybe so maybe not....but it appears the Clearwater authorities have picked up on that and come up with the charge of manslaughter.

Do you concealed carry? And if you do, were you trained on what to do before you find yourself in a situation where you have to make a split decision on whether to shoot or not?

I have two pistols but I rarely carry them...I always carry a knife which if forced to use does not carry the connotations that a pistol does these days as in too many are hypersesitive in regards to firearms. In a confrontation at close quarters a knife is very effective and actually better than a pistol. Most of these one on one confrontations are at very close range.

Training is one thing but real life is another. I was well trained in the military. As I have said before never draw your weapon unless you intend to use it...if you draw it you best use it and as quickly as possible. Too many cases of naive folks waving their weapons around thinking that will scare the perp off...too many cases of exactly the opposite happening. The victim winds up getting his or her gun taken away from them and used against them.

But training is essential, but even those who get good training it is often a long time ago and thus when they get involved in a 'situation' the training memories may be hazy. Anyone that carries a weapon should visit the range often and review the training lessons quite often as well, and above all prepare yourself mentally if worse comes to worse...how to draw and shoot quickly and aim for center mass. The shooter in Clearwater did everything exactly as it should be done....got his weapon out quickly and fired quickly and hit the perp right in the center of his mass.

Thus he insured his survival and or prevented grievious harm of his body.

The second guessers and all those pundits whose life was not on the line can sit back and watch the video in slow motion or whatever and proclaim oh he should have done this or he should have done that...utter rubbish. The guy did exactly what he needed to do...to make damn sure he ended the threat. Even if he is found guilty of mansalughter which would be a travesty of justice and I do not believe he will be convicted....but even if he was that few months he will be incarcerated is better than losing your life or even risking losing your life. Life is very fragile and if you value it...you should do your utmost to preserve it.

 

[CHAZBUKOWSKI]

The wild west was very safe...everyone had a gun so everyone was polite.
.

People were held accountable for their actions....it is whats missing today.

Yep. The shooter is being held accountable for his actions