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June 27th He entered the apartment 2, 79 year-old Jenny Vincow, and as she slept, he took a razor sharp six-inch hunting knife, and plunged the full length into the elderly woman’s chest. He raised her chin, he stabbed, then slashed her throat from ear to ear. The last image her dying eyes registered was of him- killing her.

March 26th He entered the home of Maxine and Vincent Zazzara, stood over the sleeping Vincent, and shot him in the left side of his head, just above the ear. Maxine awoke, he beat her and tied her hands behind her with a necktie. He found a ten-inch carving knife in the kitchen, and tried to cut her heart out: the rib cage stopped him. He cut away her eyelids, and removed both of her eyes, put them in a little jewelry box he had found, laughing as he did so.

April 14th He decided on the home of sixty-six year old William Doi and his fifty-six year old invalid wife, Lillian. He quickly found the bedroom. He shot Bill above the upper lip, right through the tongue. He used his gloved fists to beat him, kicking him. He went to Lillian and raped her.

May 29th Mabel Bell was eighty-three, and her invalid sister, Florence ‘Nettie’ Lang, eighty-one. He couldn’t find a sharp knife in the kitchen, but he did find a wood-handled hammer. He walked up to the frail, sleeping form of Nettie, and without hesitation, struck her in the head, sinking the hammer into her brain repeatedly. In Mabel’s room he struck her…returned to Nettie, ripped her nightgown off and raped her. Ate a banana, and left.

May 30th He moved straight to the bedroom of forty-two year old Carol Kyle. He ascertained that she was alone except for her seven-year old son. He locked the boy in the closet. He ripped off her nightgown, then her panties, unzipped and forced her to orally copulate him. He turned her over and roughly sodomized her. After ransacking the house, he sodomized her again, as she pleaded with him.

June 27th Twenty-eight year old schoolteacher, Patty Elaine Higgins, blond and attractive, was beaten brutally, her head nearly cut off, after having been sodomized.

July 2nd He stopped in front of the home of seventy-five year old Mary Louise Cannon. A widow, she lived alone. He spotted a heavy, milk-white vase-lamp with a gloved hand, and brought it down with all his might on Mary’s head. He walked to the kitchen, found a sharp ten-inch butcher knife, and plunged it into the left side of Mary’s throat. He twisted it, and plunged it in again.

July 7th On this night he selected the home of sixty-one year old Joyce Lucille Nelson. She lived alone. When she awoke, he knocked her to the ground with his fist, bent over her, and beat her with rapid, piston-like blows. He kicked her so hard that he left a clear imprint of his shoe embedded in her face.

July 20th Next, the home of Maxon and Lela Kneiding, sixty-eight and sixty-six. He switched on the light, and swung the machete into Max’s neck. The put his gun to Max’s head and pulled the trigger. Then to Lela’s face, and shot her three times.
July 20th Not satisfied, he found his way to the home of Chainarong and Somkid Khovananth, and their two children, an eight-year old boy and two-year old girl. He put the barrel of the gun one inch from Chainarong’s left ear and pulled the trigger. He ripped off Somkid’s nightgown, laid her next to her dead husband and raped her. After ransacking the house, and tying up the eight-year old, he made Somkid sit in a chair and fellate him. Then he sodomized her. After beating her, he raped her again.

August 8th Elyas Abowath was thirty-one. His wife, Sakina, twenty-seven. They has two boys, three-years old and ten-weeks old. He went to the bed, and without hesitation put a bullet into Elyas’s brain just above the left ear. He quickly broke Sakina’s nose, and handcuffed her. He told her he would kill her children, ripped off her nursing bra, and forced her to fellate him, then he raped and sodomized her- ripping and tearing. After searching the house, he returned to rape and sodomize her again, even drinking milk from her swollen breasts.

August 18th The Pans, Peter and Barbara, were sixty-six and sixty-two. He entered the home at 2 a.m., quickly walked up to Peter and shot him in the right temple. He attacked Barbara, sexually assaulting her, but she resisted…so he shot her in the head.

The above is from the painstakingly researched book by Philip Carlo, “The Night Stalker.”
In 1989, he was convicted on 43 counts, including 13 murders, and the authorities have good reason to believe that he had committed several others.
October 3, 1996, in California's San Quentin Prison he married Doreen Lioy, age 41, was a freelance magazine editor with a bachelor's degree in English.
No execution date has been set.



Where is the justice?
 
June 27th He entered the apartment 2, 79 year-old Jenny Vincow, and as she slept, he took a razor sharp six-inch hunting knife, and plunged the full length into the elderly woman’s chest. He raised her chin, he stabbed, then slashed her throat from ear to ear. The last image her dying eyes registered was of him- killing her.

March 26th He entered the home of Maxine and Vincent Zazzara, stood over the sleeping Vincent, and shot him in the left side of his head, just above the ear. Maxine awoke, he beat her and tied her hands behind her with a necktie. He found a ten-inch carving knife in the kitchen, and tried to cut her heart out: the rib cage stopped him. He cut away her eyelids, and removed both of her eyes, put them in a little jewelry box he had found, laughing as he did so.

April 14th He decided on the home of sixty-six year old William Doi and his fifty-six year old invalid wife, Lillian. He quickly found the bedroom. He shot Bill above the upper lip, right through the tongue. He used his gloved fists to beat him, kicking him. He went to Lillian and raped her.

May 29th Mabel Bell was eighty-three, and her invalid sister, Florence ‘Nettie’ Lang, eighty-one. He couldn’t find a sharp knife in the kitchen, but he did find a wood-handled hammer. He walked up to the frail, sleeping form of Nettie, and without hesitation, struck her in the head, sinking the hammer into her brain repeatedly. In Mabel’s room he struck her…returned to Nettie, ripped her nightgown off and raped her. Ate a banana, and left.

May 30th He moved straight to the bedroom of forty-two year old Carol Kyle. He ascertained that she was alone except for her seven-year old son. He locked the boy in the closet. He ripped off her nightgown, then her panties, unzipped and forced her to orally copulate him. He turned her over and roughly sodomized her. After ransacking the house, he sodomized her again, as she pleaded with him.

June 27th Twenty-eight year old schoolteacher, Patty Elaine Higgins, blond and attractive, was beaten brutally, her head nearly cut off, after having been sodomized.

July 2nd He stopped in front of the home of seventy-five year old Mary Louise Cannon. A widow, she lived alone. He spotted a heavy, milk-white vase-lamp with a gloved hand, and brought it down with all his might on Mary’s head. He walked to the kitchen, found a sharp ten-inch butcher knife, and plunged it into the left side of Mary’s throat. He twisted it, and plunged it in again.

July 7th On this night he selected the home of sixty-one year old Joyce Lucille Nelson. She lived alone. When she awoke, he knocked her to the ground with his fist, bent over her, and beat her with rapid, piston-like blows. He kicked her so hard that he left a clear imprint of his shoe embedded in her face.

July 20th Next, the home of Maxon and Lela Kneiding, sixty-eight and sixty-six. He switched on the light, and swung the machete into Max’s neck. The put his gun to Max’s head and pulled the trigger. Then to Lela’s face, and shot her three times.
July 20th Not satisfied, he found his way to the home of Chainarong and Somkid Khovananth, and their two children, an eight-year old boy and two-year old girl. He put the barrel of the gun one inch from Chainarong’s left ear and pulled the trigger. He ripped off Somkid’s nightgown, laid her next to her dead husband and raped her. After ransacking the house, and tying up the eight-year old, he made Somkid sit in a chair and fellate him. Then he sodomized her. After beating her, he raped her again.

August 8th Elyas Abowath was thirty-one. His wife, Sakina, twenty-seven. They has two boys, three-years old and ten-weeks old. He went to the bed, and without hesitation put a bullet into Elyas’s brain just above the left ear. He quickly broke Sakina’s nose, and handcuffed her. He told her he would kill her children, ripped off her nursing bra, and forced her to fellate him, then he raped and sodomized her- ripping and tearing. After searching the house, he returned to rape and sodomize her again, even drinking milk from her swollen breasts.

August 18th The Pans, Peter and Barbara, were sixty-six and sixty-two. He entered the home at 2 a.m., quickly walked up to Peter and shot him in the right temple. He attacked Barbara, sexually assaulting her, but she resisted…so he shot her in the head.

The above is from the painstakingly researched book by Philip Carlo, “The Night Stalker.”
In 1989, he was convicted on 43 counts, including 13 murders, and the authorities have good reason to believe that he had committed several others.
October 3, 1996, in California's San Quentin Prison he married Doreen Lioy, age 41, was a freelance magazine editor with a bachelor's degree in English.
No execution date has been set.



Where is the justice?

He's in prison and he's apparently going to be executed at some point. What else were you looking for?
 
June 27th He entered the apartment 2, 79 year-old Jenny Vincow, and as she slept, he took a razor sharp six-inch hunting knife, and plunged the full length into the elderly woman’s chest. He raised her chin, he stabbed, then slashed her throat from ear to ear. The last image her dying eyes registered was of him- killing her.

March 26th He entered the home of Maxine and Vincent Zazzara, stood over the sleeping Vincent, and shot him in the left side of his head, just above the ear. Maxine awoke, he beat her and tied her hands behind her with a necktie. He found a ten-inch carving knife in the kitchen, and tried to cut her heart out: the rib cage stopped him. He cut away her eyelids, and removed both of her eyes, put them in a little jewelry box he had found, laughing as he did so.

April 14th He decided on the home of sixty-six year old William Doi and his fifty-six year old invalid wife, Lillian. He quickly found the bedroom. He shot Bill above the upper lip, right through the tongue. He used his gloved fists to beat him, kicking him. He went to Lillian and raped her.

May 29th Mabel Bell was eighty-three, and her invalid sister, Florence ‘Nettie’ Lang, eighty-one. He couldn’t find a sharp knife in the kitchen, but he did find a wood-handled hammer. He walked up to the frail, sleeping form of Nettie, and without hesitation, struck her in the head, sinking the hammer into her brain repeatedly. In Mabel’s room he struck her…returned to Nettie, ripped her nightgown off and raped her. Ate a banana, and left.

May 30th He moved straight to the bedroom of forty-two year old Carol Kyle. He ascertained that she was alone except for her seven-year old son. He locked the boy in the closet. He ripped off her nightgown, then her panties, unzipped and forced her to orally copulate him. He turned her over and roughly sodomized her. After ransacking the house, he sodomized her again, as she pleaded with him.

June 27th Twenty-eight year old schoolteacher, Patty Elaine Higgins, blond and attractive, was beaten brutally, her head nearly cut off, after having been sodomized.

July 2nd He stopped in front of the home of seventy-five year old Mary Louise Cannon. A widow, she lived alone. He spotted a heavy, milk-white vase-lamp with a gloved hand, and brought it down with all his might on Mary’s head. He walked to the kitchen, found a sharp ten-inch butcher knife, and plunged it into the left side of Mary’s throat. He twisted it, and plunged it in again.

July 7th On this night he selected the home of sixty-one year old Joyce Lucille Nelson. She lived alone. When she awoke, he knocked her to the ground with his fist, bent over her, and beat her with rapid, piston-like blows. He kicked her so hard that he left a clear imprint of his shoe embedded in her face.

July 20th Next, the home of Maxon and Lela Kneiding, sixty-eight and sixty-six. He switched on the light, and swung the machete into Max’s neck. The put his gun to Max’s head and pulled the trigger. Then to Lela’s face, and shot her three times.
July 20th Not satisfied, he found his way to the home of Chainarong and Somkid Khovananth, and their two children, an eight-year old boy and two-year old girl. He put the barrel of the gun one inch from Chainarong’s left ear and pulled the trigger. He ripped off Somkid’s nightgown, laid her next to her dead husband and raped her. After ransacking the house, and tying up the eight-year old, he made Somkid sit in a chair and fellate him. Then he sodomized her. After beating her, he raped her again.

August 8th Elyas Abowath was thirty-one. His wife, Sakina, twenty-seven. They has two boys, three-years old and ten-weeks old. He went to the bed, and without hesitation put a bullet into Elyas’s brain just above the left ear. He quickly broke Sakina’s nose, and handcuffed her. He told her he would kill her children, ripped off her nursing bra, and forced her to fellate him, then he raped and sodomized her- ripping and tearing. After searching the house, he returned to rape and sodomize her again, even drinking milk from her swollen breasts.

August 18th The Pans, Peter and Barbara, were sixty-six and sixty-two. He entered the home at 2 a.m., quickly walked up to Peter and shot him in the right temple. He attacked Barbara, sexually assaulting her, but she resisted…so he shot her in the head.

The above is from the painstakingly researched book by Philip Carlo, “The Night Stalker.”
In 1989, he was convicted on 43 counts, including 13 murders, and the authorities have good reason to believe that he had committed several others.
October 3, 1996, in California's San Quentin Prison he married Doreen Lioy, age 41, was a freelance magazine editor with a bachelor's degree in English.
No execution date has been set.



Where is the justice?

He's in prison and he's apparently going to be executed at some point. What else were you looking for?

I would like him to suffer...suffer the way his victims did.

And I would like the death penalty to be of the same order that he inflicted.
 
June 27th He entered the apartment 2, 79 year-old Jenny Vincow, and as she slept, he took a razor sharp six-inch hunting knife, and plunged the full length into the elderly woman’s chest. He raised her chin, he stabbed, then slashed her throat from ear to ear. The last image her dying eyes registered was of him- killing her.

March 26th He entered the home of Maxine and Vincent Zazzara, stood over the sleeping Vincent, and shot him in the left side of his head, just above the ear. Maxine awoke, he beat her and tied her hands behind her with a necktie. He found a ten-inch carving knife in the kitchen, and tried to cut her heart out: the rib cage stopped him. He cut away her eyelids, and removed both of her eyes, put them in a little jewelry box he had found, laughing as he did so.

April 14th He decided on the home of sixty-six year old William Doi and his fifty-six year old invalid wife, Lillian. He quickly found the bedroom. He shot Bill above the upper lip, right through the tongue. He used his gloved fists to beat him, kicking him. He went to Lillian and raped her.

May 29th Mabel Bell was eighty-three, and her invalid sister, Florence ‘Nettie’ Lang, eighty-one. He couldn’t find a sharp knife in the kitchen, but he did find a wood-handled hammer. He walked up to the frail, sleeping form of Nettie, and without hesitation, struck her in the head, sinking the hammer into her brain repeatedly. In Mabel’s room he struck her…returned to Nettie, ripped her nightgown off and raped her. Ate a banana, and left.

May 30th He moved straight to the bedroom of forty-two year old Carol Kyle. He ascertained that she was alone except for her seven-year old son. He locked the boy in the closet. He ripped off her nightgown, then her panties, unzipped and forced her to orally copulate him. He turned her over and roughly sodomized her. After ransacking the house, he sodomized her again, as she pleaded with him.

June 27th Twenty-eight year old schoolteacher, Patty Elaine Higgins, blond and attractive, was beaten brutally, her head nearly cut off, after having been sodomized.

July 2nd He stopped in front of the home of seventy-five year old Mary Louise Cannon. A widow, she lived alone. He spotted a heavy, milk-white vase-lamp with a gloved hand, and brought it down with all his might on Mary’s head. He walked to the kitchen, found a sharp ten-inch butcher knife, and plunged it into the left side of Mary’s throat. He twisted it, and plunged it in again.

July 7th On this night he selected the home of sixty-one year old Joyce Lucille Nelson. She lived alone. When she awoke, he knocked her to the ground with his fist, bent over her, and beat her with rapid, piston-like blows. He kicked her so hard that he left a clear imprint of his shoe embedded in her face.

July 20th Next, the home of Maxon and Lela Kneiding, sixty-eight and sixty-six. He switched on the light, and swung the machete into Max’s neck. The put his gun to Max’s head and pulled the trigger. Then to Lela’s face, and shot her three times.
July 20th Not satisfied, he found his way to the home of Chainarong and Somkid Khovananth, and their two children, an eight-year old boy and two-year old girl. He put the barrel of the gun one inch from Chainarong’s left ear and pulled the trigger. He ripped off Somkid’s nightgown, laid her next to her dead husband and raped her. After ransacking the house, and tying up the eight-year old, he made Somkid sit in a chair and fellate him. Then he sodomized her. After beating her, he raped her again.

August 8th Elyas Abowath was thirty-one. His wife, Sakina, twenty-seven. They has two boys, three-years old and ten-weeks old. He went to the bed, and without hesitation put a bullet into Elyas’s brain just above the left ear. He quickly broke Sakina’s nose, and handcuffed her. He told her he would kill her children, ripped off her nursing bra, and forced her to fellate him, then he raped and sodomized her- ripping and tearing. After searching the house, he returned to rape and sodomize her again, even drinking milk from her swollen breasts.

August 18th The Pans, Peter and Barbara, were sixty-six and sixty-two. He entered the home at 2 a.m., quickly walked up to Peter and shot him in the right temple. He attacked Barbara, sexually assaulting her, but she resisted…so he shot her in the head.

The above is from the painstakingly researched book by Philip Carlo, “The Night Stalker.”
In 1989, he was convicted on 43 counts, including 13 murders, and the authorities have good reason to believe that he had committed several others.
October 3, 1996, in California's San Quentin Prison he married Doreen Lioy, age 41, was a freelance magazine editor with a bachelor's degree in English.
No execution date has been set.



Where is the justice?

He's in prison and he's apparently going to be executed at some point. What else were you looking for?

I would like him to suffer...suffer the way his victims did.

And I would like the death penalty to be of the same order that he inflicted.

That's not justice. That's vengeance.
 
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He's in prison and he's apparently going to be executed at some point. What else were you looking for?

I would like him to suffer...suffer the way his victims did.

And I would like the death penalty to be of the same order that he inflicted.

That's not justice. That's vengeance.

I'm going to go with this definition of justice: the administering of deserved punishment or reward.

And I'm going to allow the convicted felon to decide on the appropriate sentence, by using the method that he or she meted out.
 
June 27th He entered the apartment 2, 79 year-old Jenny Vincow, and as she slept, he took a razor sharp six-inch hunting knife, and plunged the full length into the elderly woman’s chest. He raised her chin, he stabbed, then slashed her throat from ear to ear. The last image her dying eyes registered was of him- killing her.

March 26th He entered the home of Maxine and Vincent Zazzara, stood over the sleeping Vincent, and shot him in the left side of his head, just above the ear. Maxine awoke, he beat her and tied her hands behind her with a necktie. He found a ten-inch carving knife in the kitchen, and tried to cut her heart out: the rib cage stopped him. He cut away her eyelids, and removed both of her eyes, put them in a little jewelry box he had found, laughing as he did so.

April 14th He decided on the home of sixty-six year old William Doi and his fifty-six year old invalid wife, Lillian. He quickly found the bedroom. He shot Bill above the upper lip, right through the tongue. He used his gloved fists to beat him, kicking him. He went to Lillian and raped her.

May 29th Mabel Bell was eighty-three, and her invalid sister, Florence ‘Nettie’ Lang, eighty-one. He couldn’t find a sharp knife in the kitchen, but he did find a wood-handled hammer. He walked up to the frail, sleeping form of Nettie, and without hesitation, struck her in the head, sinking the hammer into her brain repeatedly. In Mabel’s room he struck her…returned to Nettie, ripped her nightgown off and raped her. Ate a banana, and left.

May 30th He moved straight to the bedroom of forty-two year old Carol Kyle. He ascertained that she was alone except for her seven-year old son. He locked the boy in the closet. He ripped off her nightgown, then her panties, unzipped and forced her to orally copulate him. He turned her over and roughly sodomized her. After ransacking the house, he sodomized her again, as she pleaded with him.

June 27th Twenty-eight year old schoolteacher, Patty Elaine Higgins, blond and attractive, was beaten brutally, her head nearly cut off, after having been sodomized.

July 2nd He stopped in front of the home of seventy-five year old Mary Louise Cannon. A widow, she lived alone. He spotted a heavy, milk-white vase-lamp with a gloved hand, and brought it down with all his might on Mary’s head. He walked to the kitchen, found a sharp ten-inch butcher knife, and plunged it into the left side of Mary’s throat. He twisted it, and plunged it in again.

July 7th On this night he selected the home of sixty-one year old Joyce Lucille Nelson. She lived alone. When she awoke, he knocked her to the ground with his fist, bent over her, and beat her with rapid, piston-like blows. He kicked her so hard that he left a clear imprint of his shoe embedded in her face.

July 20th Next, the home of Maxon and Lela Kneiding, sixty-eight and sixty-six. He switched on the light, and swung the machete into Max’s neck. The put his gun to Max’s head and pulled the trigger. Then to Lela’s face, and shot her three times.
July 20th Not satisfied, he found his way to the home of Chainarong and Somkid Khovananth, and their two children, an eight-year old boy and two-year old girl. He put the barrel of the gun one inch from Chainarong’s left ear and pulled the trigger. He ripped off Somkid’s nightgown, laid her next to her dead husband and raped her. After ransacking the house, and tying up the eight-year old, he made Somkid sit in a chair and fellate him. Then he sodomized her. After beating her, he raped her again.

August 8th Elyas Abowath was thirty-one. His wife, Sakina, twenty-seven. They has two boys, three-years old and ten-weeks old. He went to the bed, and without hesitation put a bullet into Elyas’s brain just above the left ear. He quickly broke Sakina’s nose, and handcuffed her. He told her he would kill her children, ripped off her nursing bra, and forced her to fellate him, then he raped and sodomized her- ripping and tearing. After searching the house, he returned to rape and sodomize her again, even drinking milk from her swollen breasts.

August 18th The Pans, Peter and Barbara, were sixty-six and sixty-two. He entered the home at 2 a.m., quickly walked up to Peter and shot him in the right temple. He attacked Barbara, sexually assaulting her, but she resisted…so he shot her in the head.

The above is from the painstakingly researched book by Philip Carlo, “The Night Stalker.”
In 1989, he was convicted on 43 counts, including 13 murders, and the authorities have good reason to believe that he had committed several others.
October 3, 1996, in California's San Quentin Prison he married Doreen Lioy, age 41, was a freelance magazine editor with a bachelor's degree in English.
No execution date has been set.



Where is the justice?

He's in prison and he's apparently going to be executed at some point. What else were you looking for?

I wonder if you can explain your use to the term 'apparently.'
 
10 to 1 this guy had a violent conviction in his past.
Free up the jailspace, let the stoners out and keep the rapist, armed robbers and pedophiles in for the whole sentence.
 
I would like him to suffer...suffer the way his victims did.

And I would like the death penalty to be of the same order that he inflicted.

That's not justice. That's vengeance.

I'm going to go with this definition of justice: the administering of deserved punishment or reward.

And I'm going to allow the convicted felon to decide on the appropriate sentence, by using the method that he or she meted out.

And what does that accomplish?
 
June 27th He entered the apartment 2, 79 year-old Jenny Vincow, and as she slept, he took a razor sharp six-inch hunting knife, and plunged the full length into the elderly woman’s chest. He raised her chin, he stabbed, then slashed her throat from ear to ear. The last image her dying eyes registered was of him- killing her.

March 26th He entered the home of Maxine and Vincent Zazzara, stood over the sleeping Vincent, and shot him in the left side of his head, just above the ear. Maxine awoke, he beat her and tied her hands behind her with a necktie. He found a ten-inch carving knife in the kitchen, and tried to cut her heart out: the rib cage stopped him. He cut away her eyelids, and removed both of her eyes, put them in a little jewelry box he had found, laughing as he did so.

April 14th He decided on the home of sixty-six year old William Doi and his fifty-six year old invalid wife, Lillian. He quickly found the bedroom. He shot Bill above the upper lip, right through the tongue. He used his gloved fists to beat him, kicking him. He went to Lillian and raped her.

May 29th Mabel Bell was eighty-three, and her invalid sister, Florence ‘Nettie’ Lang, eighty-one. He couldn’t find a sharp knife in the kitchen, but he did find a wood-handled hammer. He walked up to the frail, sleeping form of Nettie, and without hesitation, struck her in the head, sinking the hammer into her brain repeatedly. In Mabel’s room he struck her…returned to Nettie, ripped her nightgown off and raped her. Ate a banana, and left.

May 30th He moved straight to the bedroom of forty-two year old Carol Kyle. He ascertained that she was alone except for her seven-year old son. He locked the boy in the closet. He ripped off her nightgown, then her panties, unzipped and forced her to orally copulate him. He turned her over and roughly sodomized her. After ransacking the house, he sodomized her again, as she pleaded with him.

June 27th Twenty-eight year old schoolteacher, Patty Elaine Higgins, blond and attractive, was beaten brutally, her head nearly cut off, after having been sodomized.

July 2nd He stopped in front of the home of seventy-five year old Mary Louise Cannon. A widow, she lived alone. He spotted a heavy, milk-white vase-lamp with a gloved hand, and brought it down with all his might on Mary’s head. He walked to the kitchen, found a sharp ten-inch butcher knife, and plunged it into the left side of Mary’s throat. He twisted it, and plunged it in again.

July 7th On this night he selected the home of sixty-one year old Joyce Lucille Nelson. She lived alone. When she awoke, he knocked her to the ground with his fist, bent over her, and beat her with rapid, piston-like blows. He kicked her so hard that he left a clear imprint of his shoe embedded in her face.

July 20th Next, the home of Maxon and Lela Kneiding, sixty-eight and sixty-six. He switched on the light, and swung the machete into Max’s neck. The put his gun to Max’s head and pulled the trigger. Then to Lela’s face, and shot her three times.
July 20th Not satisfied, he found his way to the home of Chainarong and Somkid Khovananth, and their two children, an eight-year old boy and two-year old girl. He put the barrel of the gun one inch from Chainarong’s left ear and pulled the trigger. He ripped off Somkid’s nightgown, laid her next to her dead husband and raped her. After ransacking the house, and tying up the eight-year old, he made Somkid sit in a chair and fellate him. Then he sodomized her. After beating her, he raped her again.

August 8th Elyas Abowath was thirty-one. His wife, Sakina, twenty-seven. They has two boys, three-years old and ten-weeks old. He went to the bed, and without hesitation put a bullet into Elyas’s brain just above the left ear. He quickly broke Sakina’s nose, and handcuffed her. He told her he would kill her children, ripped off her nursing bra, and forced her to fellate him, then he raped and sodomized her- ripping and tearing. After searching the house, he returned to rape and sodomize her again, even drinking milk from her swollen breasts.

August 18th The Pans, Peter and Barbara, were sixty-six and sixty-two. He entered the home at 2 a.m., quickly walked up to Peter and shot him in the right temple. He attacked Barbara, sexually assaulting her, but she resisted…so he shot her in the head.

The above is from the painstakingly researched book by Philip Carlo, “The Night Stalker.”
In 1989, he was convicted on 43 counts, including 13 murders, and the authorities have good reason to believe that he had committed several others.
October 3, 1996, in California's San Quentin Prison he married Doreen Lioy, age 41, was a freelance magazine editor with a bachelor's degree in English.
No execution date has been set.



Where is the justice?

He's in prison and he's apparently going to be executed at some point. What else were you looking for?

I wonder if you can explain your use to the term 'apparently.'

Your story says that no execution date has been set. That implies that he has, in fact, been sentenced to execution, therefore it is apparent that it will happen at some unspecified time. And, of course, we all know just how long it takes to actually execute someone on death row in pretty much every state in the Union.
 
That's not justice. That's vengeance.

I'm going to go with this definition of justice: the administering of deserved punishment or reward.

And I'm going to allow the convicted felon to decide on the appropriate sentence, by using the method that he or she meted out.

And what does that accomplish?

I suspect that the evil folks, and there are some that are truly evil, are not stupid. I'm going to bank on such folks reconsidering their acts in the light of being subject to the same terror that they inflict.

It's the same idea that the concept of war is based on...it's called human nature.
 
He's in prison and he's apparently going to be executed at some point. What else were you looking for?

I wonder if you can explain your use to the term 'apparently.'

Your story says that no execution date has been set. That implies that he has, in fact, been sentenced to execution, therefore it is apparent that it will happen at some unspecified time. And, of course, we all know just how long it takes to actually execute someone on death row in pretty much every state in the Union.

The is no such apparency...in fact, rather than his execution being 'readily seen,' the history of the judicaial system has shown that very often sentences are commuted, and life sentences become paroles.

This adds one more level to the inclination to commit crimes:
a) chances of getting caught

b) chances of beating the prosecution

c) chances of sentence being commuted

d) chances of parole

So...more of a bias toward taking a chance.
 
I would like him to suffer...suffer the way his victims did.

And I would like the death penalty to be of the same order that he inflicted.

That's not justice. That's vengeance.

I'm going to go with this definition of justice: the administering of deserved punishment or reward.

And I'm going to allow the convicted felon to decide on the appropriate sentence, by using the method that he or she meted out.


You might have something there.

For some reason, it brings to mind a story told by Dick gregory of a meal he was about to eat some chicken in the deep South. A couple good ol' boys entered the restaurant and stood close to Gregory as he prepared to begin eating.

One of them said, "Whatever you do to that chicken, we're going to do to you."

Gregory leaned forward and kissed the chicken.

If it's engineered by those around you, is it still karma?
 
That's not justice. That's vengeance.

I'm going to go with this definition of justice: the administering of deserved punishment or reward.

And I'm going to allow the convicted felon to decide on the appropriate sentence, by using the method that he or she meted out.


You might have something there.

For some reason, it brings to mind a story told by Dick gregory of a meal he was about to eat some chicken in the deep South. A couple good ol' boys entered the restaurant and stood close to Gregory as he prepared to begin eating.

One of them said, "Whatever you do to that chicken, we're going to do to you."

Gregory leaned forward and kissed the chicken.

If it's engineered by those around you, is it still karma?

I'm talking about justice, the results in this incarnation, not karma or some other incarnation.
 
I'm going to go with this definition of justice: the administering of deserved punishment or reward.

And I'm going to allow the convicted felon to decide on the appropriate sentence, by using the method that he or she meted out.

And what does that accomplish?

I suspect that the evil folks, and there are some that are truly evil, are not stupid. I'm going to bank on such folks reconsidering their acts in the light of being subject to the same terror that they inflict.

It's the same idea that the concept of war is based on...it's called human nature.

I wouldn't bank on that at all. Numerous psych studies suggest that people like this are convinced of their own invincibility and uncatchability. We're not talking about sane, rational people with a normal awareness of their own fallibility and mortality. We're talking about serial killers.

Meanwhile, we bring ourselves and our society down to their evil, immoral, bestial level. And for what? It won't bring the victims back. It won't make the killers feel guilt and remorse. And it won't make anyone else truly feel better.
 
I wonder if you can explain your use to the term 'apparently.'

Your story says that no execution date has been set. That implies that he has, in fact, been sentenced to execution, therefore it is apparent that it will happen at some unspecified time. And, of course, we all know just how long it takes to actually execute someone on death row in pretty much every state in the Union.

The is no such apparency...in fact, rather than his execution being 'readily seen,' the history of the judicaial system has shown that very often sentences are commuted, and life sentences become paroles.

This adds one more level to the inclination to commit crimes:
a) chances of getting caught

b) chances of beating the prosecution

c) chances of sentence being commuted

d) chances of parole

So...more of a bias toward taking a chance.

All quite true, which is why I added a qualifier, rather than stating simply that he was going to be executed. Used the way I used it, "apparently" can be a synonym for "presumably".
 
What's fucked up is for his victim's families to be paying for his room and board.

Make him labour to produce goods to be sold to feed him.

Do they still make them work the fields at Angola?
 

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