Justice Sunday...?

[Bullypulpit]

You asked me to point to verses in the Bible and I did. Christ even speaks of it as a sin. So you can believe what you want. I didn't just "cut and paste".

And as for abortion, as Gem said, just because "abortion" isn't mentioned directly.... geeze bully.

It is acknowleged in the Bible that murder is a sin. It is acknowledged that God develops a child in the womb. Aborting something God developed is murder and therefore, a sin. Is that so hard for your simple mind to grasp?

By the way, if anybody is "cut'n and paste'n" it is YOU.

Which god do you speak of...? THere have been many throughout human history, and there will, doubtless, be many more.

But again, that's not the issue here. The issue is the politization of religion by the Republican leadership for the purpose of gutting an independent judiicary. They are attacking any who are opposed to such an agenda as "un-Christian" and "immoral". They are simply using the issues of abortion and same-gender relationships as hot-button issues to polarize a loud, raucous and ignorant minority who are determined to foist this agenda on the nation. The end result, if this agenda succeeds, will be the destruction of the Republic and the establishment of an American theocracy.

And since you've already drunk the kool-aid, you should know that 60 of Bill Clinton's court nominees were bottled up in committee, never coming to the floor for a vote...This is known as a pocket filibuster. And the Democrat filibuster of <b>10</b> Bush nominees is not "the first time in the history of the Republic" that the filibuster has been used to block judicial appointments.

In <a href=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A45149-2005Mar17.html>1968</a> <b><i>the Republicans</i></b> filibustered Lyndon Johnson's nominee to be Chief Justice of the US, Abe Fortas. Orrin Hatch, Arlen Specter and Dick Cheney have <b>ALL</b> lied in stating that judicial nominees have never before been filibustered.

 

[dilloduck]

Which god do you speak of...? THere have been many throughout human history, and there will, doubtless, be many more.

But again, that's not the issue here. The issue is the politization of religion by the Republican leadership for the purpose of gutting an independent judiicary. They are attacking any who are opposed to such an agenda as "un-Christian" and "immoral". They are simply using the issues of abortion and same-gender relationships as hot-button issues to polarize a loud, raucous and ignorant minority who are determined to foist this agenda on the nation. The end result, if this agenda succeeds, will be the destruction of the Republic and the establishment of an American theocracy.

And since you've already drunk the kool-aid, you should know that 60 of Bill Clinton's court nominees were bottled up in committee, never coming to the floor for a vote...This is known as a pocket filibuster. And the Democrat filibuster of <b>10</b> Bush nominees is not "the first time in the history of the Republic" that the filibuster has been used to block judicial appointments.

In <a href=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A45149-2005Mar17.html>1968</a> <b><i>the Republicans</i></b> filibustered Lyndon Johnson's nominee to be Chief Justice of the US, Abe Fortas. Orrin Hatch, Arlen Specter and Dick Cheney have <b>ALL</b> lied in stating that judicial nominees have never before been filibustered.

What is your problem with one political party trying to get the judges it prefers nominated---it happens every term. Your theocracy claim is totally unsubstantiated unless you feel that the dems are trying to establish an atheistic government.

 

[musicman]

Which god do you speak of...? THere have been many throughout human history, and there will, doubtless, be many more.

YOU'RE the one who requested specific citations of scripture. If our answers upset you, perhaps you should cease to ask frightening questions.

But again, that's not the issue here.

Oh, good - Bully's going to finally get around to telling us what the ISSUE is. Think fast, Bully!

And the Democrat filibuster of <b>10</b> Bush nominees is not "the first time in the history of the Republic" that the filibuster has been used to block judicial appointments.

The issue is not the filibuster itself; it is the super majority required to break the filibuster. THAT is unique (and unfair) in our history. But you knew that.

In <a href=http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A45149-2005Mar17.html>1968</a> <b><i>the Republicans</i></b> filibustered Lyndon Johnson's nominee to be Chief Justice of the US, Abe Fortas.

Wrong - and you KNOW it. The blocking of Fortas' nomination was a truly bipartisan effort, and said nomination was withdrawn amid serious ethics problems surrounding Fortas. Please try to project at least the PRETENSE of honesty, Bully.

 

[SmarterThanYou]

NO matter how you slice it or dice it, aborting a pregnancy is a medical procedure.

So is evisceration Bully, some people call it a transplant or organ donation.
That was just WAYYYYYYY too far out there even for you.

 

[Bullypulpit]

Isn't it a bit silly to use Biblical verses to bolster you arguments then?

Somebody needs to remind some folks of just what it is they claim to believe in.

 

[Bullypulpit]

What is your problem with one political party trying to get the judges it prefers nominated---it happens every term. Your theocracy claim is totally unsubstantiated unless you feel that the dems are trying to establish an atheistic government.

When those judges will do no more than rubberstamp the adminstration agenda, it's a problem for all of us. What is your problem with an independent judiciary standing as a check to unbridled executive and legislative power?

 

[Bullypulpit]

So is evisceration Bully, some people call it a transplant or organ donation.
That was just WAYYYYYYY too far out there even for you.

I noticed you left out the part about back-alley butchers.

 

[dilloduck]

When those judges will do no more than rubberstamp the adminstration agenda, it's a problem for all of us. What is your problem with an independent judiciary standing as a check to unbridled executive and legislative power?

Depends on the agenda Bully---answer me this--IF Christian judges were appointed and confirmed, how would your personal life be affected?

 

[musicman]

Somebody needs to remind some folks of just what it is they claim to believe in.

YOU???!!!

The intestinal fortitude you've displayed in this thread is nothing close to inspiring, Bully. Some of us would absolutely run through a cheesecloth curtain for you.

 

[musicman]

When those judges will do no more than rubberstamp the adminstration agenda, it's a problem for all of us. What is your problem with an independent judiciary standing as a check to unbridled executive and legislative power?

If the administration "agenda" is restoring to the federal judiciary people who are at least vaguely familiar with the United States Constitution, I wish they'd rubber-stamp the hell out of it! What's your problem with THAT?

 

[musicman]

I noticed you left out the part about back-alley butchers.

Maybe because it's horseshit.

 

[OCA]

Show me where abortion and same gender-couples are <b>specifically</b> mentioned.

Thou shalt not murder in the ten commandments and read the book of Romans for a nice little passage on queers.

 

[manu1959]

Show me where abortion and same gender-couples are <b>specifically</b> mentioned.

damn you are right again.....this gay marriage thing solves the whole problem ..... abortions will not be necessary ....

 

[OCA]

This thread was the worst asskicking laid on Bully ever and he's been plundered many times here.. I'm surprised if he's not cowering in a corner right now. I'm actually surprised he would willingly sacrifice himself this way.

 

[Bonnie]

O.K., Bully - you're the Bible expert. Show me the passage that reads "murder babies and suck off thy neighbor".

 

[ScreamingEagle]

I'm not Christian.

Obviously this is why you hate for politics to get "mixed up" with Christianity. Nobody is pushing theocracy. However, the personal beliefs of Americans can and will be reflected in the law as soon as we can oust the non-Christian minority which is attempting to overtake our country and bring in socialist communism which allows no God to exist.

 

[archangel]

O.K., Bully - you're the Bible expert. Show me the passage that reads "murder babies and suck off thy neighbor".

musicman is on a roll...I respect those who "call them like they see em" I can only add the following...Opinions are akin to garbage...everyone has some!
Bully seems to spend way too much time on the computer....computers have the same problem...garbage entries spew out garbage in the form of opinions and data! Then again I guess I am guilty as well....lol :blah2: :scratch:

 

[no1tovote4]

These politicians and religionists wear the mantle of Christianity, but they soil it in doing so. They preach Christian virtue yet fail to practice it. They mouth the words, yet fail to understand their meaning. They are the threat to this Republic.

And you personally claim to be a Buddhist and against every teaching of that religion keep attempting to push people onto a path that you approve of, and are entirely unqualified to promote.

Silly little hypocrite, remove the beam from your own eye, before you ever attempt to remove the splinter from that of another.

You are steeped too heavily in your own hypocrisy to attempt to point out that of another. You swim across a cesspool filled with your own hypocrisy in order to point out that somebody else got some on their shirt while attempting to pull you out.

 

[Bullypulpit]

<blockquote><center><b>American Religious Leaders and Supporters Opposed to “Justice Sunday’s” Manipulation of Faith</b></center>

April 21, 2005
The Honorable Bill Frist
509 Hart Senate Office Building
Washington, DC 20510

Dear Senator Frist:

We write as religious leaders who cherish America’s distinctive tradition of religious respect, tolerance, and pluralism. We write as members of religious traditions that revere truth and are guided by prophetic calls to seek justice. We are gravely disappointed that you have lent support to those who are trying to create confusion and sow division with false charges of religious discrimination and persecution. Good people can and do differ on policy questions like the filibuster. We emphatically reject claims that those who seek to uphold the country’s traditions of checks and balances are forcing Christians to choose between their faith and public service. It is simply not truthful to assert that supporting the filibuster amounts to an attack on people of faith. Most, perhaps all, of the 95% of the Bush nominees who have been approved, have been people of faith. They enjoyed support from both sides of the aisle. As Senate Majority Leader, you have a responsibility to defend your colleagues on both sides of the aisle, public servants whom you know to be deeply religious people, from shameful and divisive accusations that they are attacking people of faith. You have a responsibility to defend the nation from efforts utilizing deception and fear-mongering to manipulate Americans of faith. And, perhaps most importantly, as one of our nation’s highest elected officials, you have a responsibility to repudiate those who misuse religion for political purposes and who impugn the faith of any who disagree with them. Your participation in the “Justice Sunday” event gives your personal stamp of approval and legitimizes an event built on inflammatory falsehoods. We urge you either to withdraw your participation in this event or, if you participate, to use that opportunity to repudiate the message of divisiveness and religious manipulation that is at the core of the gathering. Sincerely,</blockquote>

For the complete list of signatories, 400+, to this letter, go <a href=http://www.americanprogress.org/atf/cf/%7bE9245FE4-9A2B-43C7-A521-5D6FF2E06E03%7d/ReligiousLeadersOpposedtoJusticeSunday.pdf>here</a>.

It's in PDF format...so you'll need Acrobat to read it.

As for ass kickings, OCA, no one stayed on the topic of the "nuclear option". Instead, they chose to drink the kool-aid and focused on the hot-button non-issues they have been instructed to raise.

 

[musicman]

Wow - this is strong stuff, Bully. You've proven, beyond the shadow of a doubt, that over 400 Democrats who claim religious affiliation can sign their names.

Now what?