Justice for New Haven Firefighters

[Nik]

So you admit that blacks are less intelligent ... good to know that there is proof of such. Black people are inherently stupid ... according to your "proof".

Incorrect. Try again?

Really? So then tests are not racist ... one or the other, you can't claim both.

Yes, actually I can. It speaks only to your own stupidity that you think those are the only two claims one can make.

 

[Nik]

Clearly, justice prevailed.

All I can wonder is why Nik hates justice so much.

I don't think racism is very just, thats all.

 

[manifold]

Just curious...how long did the blacks study?

Less than they should have.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Its called racially disparate results.

the results do not prove the test was racist.

that conclusion assumes (there's that word again) that everyone taking the test was equal in all aspects except the color of their skin.

obviously some people studied more than others, hence the disparate results.

I would think if a dyslexic can get high marks on the test then anyone without a learning disability who prepared as diligently should be able to score well.

MEET FRANK RICCI | Newsradio 620 - Milwaukee, Wisconsin News, Talk, Sports, Weather | Charlie Sykes

Frank Ricci, a firefighter in New Haven, Conn., worked hard, played by the rules, and earned a promotion to fire lieutenant. But the city denied him the promotion because he is not black. Ricci sued, along with 16 other whites and one Hispanic firefighter. After a 7-6, near-party-line vote by a federal Appeals Court to dismiss the lawsuit, the plaintiffs petitioned for Supreme Court review....

Ricci studied for eight to 13 hours a day to prepare for the combined written and oral exam in 2003 that he hoped would win him a promotion. He spent more than $1,000 buying the books that the city had suggested as homework and paying an acquaintance to read them onto audiotapes. (Ricci is dyslexic and learns better by listening.) And he got one of the highest scores.

But Ricci and other would-be lieutenants and captains with high scores did not get the promotions they expected. The reason was that -- because not enough black firefighters had done well enough to be eligible -- New Haven decided to discard the test results and make no promotions at a

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Now that's commitment and that type of effort that results in success should not be dismissed on phony racism charges.

Just curious...how long did the blacks study?

obviously not as much as the people who scored the highest. please notice that race plays no part in my argument. this was not a test on which scores can vary because of socioeconomic reasons or any other reason. these tests are not rocket science. the questions are based on a very specific subject matter. and everyone had the opportunity to obtain the books from which to study.

I've taken many similar tests to obtain various licenses and certifications and without fail those who studied the most regardless of race did the best because the study material was all the same.

 

[Nik]

Just curious...how long did the blacks study?

Less than they should have.

And your evidence?

 

[manifold]

Did you know that randomly chosen whites do significantly less than randomly chosen Hispanics on tests consisted entirely in Spanish?

Link?

 

[Nik]

the results do not prove the test was racist.

that conclusion assumes (there's that word again) that everyone taking the test was equal in all aspects except the color of their skin.

obviously some people studied more than others, hence the disparate results.

I would think if a dyslexic can get high marks on the test then anyone without a learning disability who prepared as diligently should be able to score well.

MEET FRANK RICCI | Newsradio 620 - Milwaukee, Wisconsin News, Talk, Sports, Weather | Charlie Sykes
ll.

Now that's commitment and that type of effort that results in success should not be dismissed on phony racism charges.

Just curious...how long did the blacks study?

obviously not as much as the people who scored the highest.

these tests are not rocket science. the questions are based on a very specific subject matter. and everyone had the opportunity to obtain the books from which to study.

I've taken many similar tests to obtain various licenses and certifications and without fail those who studied the most regardless of race did the best because the study material was all the same.

Amount of studying does NOT always equate to success. I guarantee you that.

 

[manifold]

Clearly, justice prevailed.

All I can wonder is why Nik hates justice so much.

I don't think racism is very just, thats all.

Thankfully, 5 SC justices agree that this case of blatant racism wasn't just.

 

[KittenKoder]

Incorrect. Try again?

Really? So then tests are not racist ... one or the other, you can't claim both.

Yes, actually I can. It speaks only to your own stupidity that you think those are the only two claims one can make.

No you can't, either the tests are not racist because all races are equal and should be able to answer the questions or .... one race is less intelligent and therefore the tests are racist because the less intelligent race cannot answer the questions. This one has no gray area, either true equality (the tests are therefore not influenced by race) or separate but equal (which means one race is in fact inferior to the other).

 

[Nik]

Did you know that randomly chosen whites do significantly less than randomly chosen Hispanics on tests consisted entirely in Spanish?

Link?

Are you really this fucking stupid?

 

[manifold]

Just curious...how long did the blacks study?

Less than they should have.

And your evidence?

The results.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Just curious...how long did the blacks study?

obviously not as much as the people who scored the highest.

these tests are not rocket science. the questions are based on a very specific subject matter. and everyone had the opportunity to obtain the books from which to study.

I've taken many similar tests to obtain various licenses and certifications and without fail those who studied the most regardless of race did the best because the study material was all the same.

Amount of studying does NOT always equate to success. I guarantee you that.

is it so hard to accept that some people simply perform better than others?

or is it easier to cry racism when someone fails?

 

[Nik]

Clearly, justice prevailed.

All I can wonder is why Nik hates justice so much.

I don't think racism is very just, thats all.

Thankfully, 5 SC justices agree that this case of blatant racism wasn't just.

Blatant racism? Hardly.

 

[manifold]

Did you know that randomly chosen whites do significantly less than randomly chosen Hispanics on tests consisted entirely in Spanish?

Link?

Are you really this fucking stupid?

So you can't back up your claim with any evidence huh?

I guess maybe you shouldn't be demanding of others what you clearly cannot do yourself.

 

[Nik]

Really? So then tests are not racist ... one or the other, you can't claim both.

Yes, actually I can. It speaks only to your own stupidity that you think those are the only two claims one can make.

No you can't, either the tests are not racist because all races are equal and should be able to answer the questions or .... one race is less intelligent and therefore the tests are racist because the less intelligent race cannot answer the questions. This one has no gray area, either true equality (the tests are therefore not influenced by race) or separate but equal (which means one race is in fact inferior to the other).

So tell me why randomly selected hispanics will do better on a Spanish test than randomly selected whites in the US....

 

[KittenKoder]

I don't think racism is very just, thats all.

Thankfully, 5 SC justices agree that this case of blatant racism wasn't just.

Blatant racism? Hardly.

So ... it's okay to discriminate against qualified personnel when they are white, but not unqualified personnel just because they are a "minority"?

 

[Nik]

Link?

Are you really this fucking stupid?

So you can't back up your claim with any evidence huh?

I guess maybe you shouldn't be demanding of others what you clearly cannot do yourself.

Its obvious moron. A higher percentage of Hispanics than whites speak spanish in the US.

Do I need to spoon feed you like a baby next?

 

[manifold]

So tell me why randomly selected hispanics will do better on a Spanish test than randomly selected whites in the US....

And your evidence please?

 

[Nik]

obviously not as much as the people who scored the highest.

these tests are not rocket science. the questions are based on a very specific subject matter. and everyone had the opportunity to obtain the books from which to study.

I've taken many similar tests to obtain various licenses and certifications and without fail those who studied the most regardless of race did the best because the study material was all the same.

Amount of studying does NOT always equate to success. I guarantee you that.

is it so hard to accept that some people simply perform better than others?

or is it easier to cry racism when someone fails?

It is hard to accept that people perform better on certain tests because they are white, yes.

 

[KittenKoder]

Amount of studying does NOT always equate to success. I guarantee you that.

is it so hard to accept that some people simply perform better than others?

or is it easier to cry racism when someone fails?

It is hard to accept that people perform better on certain tests because they are white, yes.

Really? Like how?