Just words?

[Diuretic]

You mean when companies are looking for new CEO's they don't just look for the person who can make the most money, communicate well, and be well liked by the employees? Damn. Please tell me what companies you invest in, so I can avoid them.

I think I didn't make my point clearly enough. I'll strip it down to basics.

The previous posts have gloried in attacking the oratory skills of Obama suggesting that's all he has. I don't know if that's all he has because I haven't seen his resume/cv. But invidious comparisons have been made with two other brilliant orators, Dr Martin Luther King and president John Fitzgerald Kennedy. As well as being brilliant orators both Dr King and president Kennedy share another trait. They were both serial adulterers. I don't know how Obama's track record is in the marriage stakes either. I don't care, but I have been told before that "character" is very important in a president.

That got me thinking about how you get your president into the White House.

From some of the comments here, posters are really worried that the best person may not get the job because the best person is elected. So why take the risk? Why not ditch the election process and just headhunt the president? After all you don't vote for other cabinet positions they're appointed by the president, so go the whole hog and just run a selection process just like a company does for a new ceo.

 

[CharlestonChad]

I think I didn't make my point clearly enough. I'll strip it down to basics.

The previous posts have gloried in attacking the oratory skills of Obama suggesting that's all he has. I don't know if that's all he has because I haven't seen his resume/cv. But invidious comparisons have been made with two other brilliant orators, Dr Martin Luther King and president John Fitzgerald Kennedy. As well as being brilliant orators both Dr King and president Kennedy share another trait. They were both serial adulterers. I don't know how Obama's track record is in the marriage stakes either. I don't care, but I have been told before that "character" is very important in a president.

That got me thinking about how you get your president into the White House.

From some of the comments here, posters are really worried that the best person may not get the job because the best person is elected. So why take the risk? Why not ditch the election process and just headhunt the president? After all you don't vote for other cabinet positions they're appointed by the president, so go the whole hog and just run a selection process just like a company does for a new ceo.

I don't understand where you're going with the character talk.

 

[Diuretic]

I don't understand where you're going with the character talk.

I'm not going anywhere with it, for mine it's irrelevant, but for many people it's important. They will cast their vote on the basis of character. Riiiiight, that makes sense. Not. That's my point about character.

 

[DeadCanDance]

Originally Posted by LordBrownTrout

Obama is an educated man but I just don't see any substance. Just catchphrases, buzzwords that make people swoon.

I'm hearing that from a lot of conservatives. I guess your view of obama depends on what news network you get your soundbytes from.

It's because GOP partisans want to run against Clinton.

The substance charge is laughable. Cons voted for the shallow, folksy Bush in 2000.

 

[CharlestonChad]

I'm not going anywhere with it, for mine it's irrelevant, but for many people it's important. They will cast their vote on the basis of character. Riiiiight, that makes sense. Not. That's my point about character.

Oh ok.

I thought about it a little, and it would make sense if most or all of our leaders were getting some action on the side. Anyone elected to office must posses the abilities to captivate others and convince them to do what the person wants. It would make perfect sense if this transferred to Game. I don't shun people for getting some booty. Clinton did it, and I didn't care. If McCain does it too, then extra props for being so old.

 

[CharlestonChad]

It's because GOP partisans want to run against Clinton.

The substance charge is laughable. Cons voted for the shallow, folksy Bush in 2000.

Agreed. The cons were talking about "beating hillary" since she first thought about running. Now, they really don't know what to do. McCain is liberal, which is a sin in the eyes of republicans. Obama is a muslim, and we all know are the devils children. I guess they have to vote for Paul, but he's not in love with our troops dying, so he hates America.

What a conundrum!

 

[Diuretic]

Oh ok.

I thought about it a little, and it would make sense if most or all of our leaders were getting some action on the side. Anyone elected to office must posses the abilities to captivate others and convince them to do what the person wants. It would make perfect sense if this transferred to Game. I don't shun people for getting some booty. Clinton did it, and I didn't care. If McCain does it too, then extra props for being so old.

The only condition I'd put on it is - no viagra or cialis whatever the other thing is. No steroids either. I know it's not the Olympics but I believe if they're going to act like randy goats and be rewarded for it then they should not be allowed to use any performance-enhancing substances, not even herbal supplements. They should also get urine tests. They could line up with a bucket and perform when the whistle sounds, after all they claim to be thoroughbreds *

No I'm not paying homage to my nick

 

[Teri B.]

Man, y'all really did get off track with some wild speculating there didn't you, lol.

 

[Diuretic]

You started it

Okay, slap some sense into the thread

 

[Teri B.]

It's because GOP partisans want to run against Clinton.

The substance charge is laughable. Cons voted for the shallow, folksy Bush in 2000.

 

[Teri B.]

You started it

Okay, slap some sense into the thread

Alright, what is it about oratory skills and reading and reciting other people's words that makes a person a better leader than the next? He had less experience and than most of the other nominees who threw their hats in the ring, but somehow writing a book, that even the title of which was pulled out the imagination of someone else, giving speeches often written by others, promoting policies he not only didn't come up with on his own, but could barely remember the details of, and portraying a persona, that was the invention of David Axelrod, as is evidenced by the fact the Patrick is a carbon copy of "hope," has a little over half the democratic party, many of whom were never even active before, all aflutter and playing American Idol politics. It frightens me. I don't trust this. Convince me I'm wrong.

 

[maineman]

Only thing I hear coming out of his mouth is, "CHANGE",...what, and how is he going to change anything?

Ignorance? ....be nice, I only stated some facts.

if the only thing you hear coming out of his mouth is "change", then clearly you need to clean out your ears.

 

[maineman]

Alright, what is it about oratory skills and reading and reciting other people's words makes a person a better leader than the next. He had less experience and than most of the other nominees who threw their hats in the ring, but somehow writing a book, that even the title of which was pulled out the imagination of someone else, giving speeches often written by others, promoting policies he not only didn't come up with on his own, but could barely remember the details of, and portraying a persona, that was the invention of David Axelrod, as is evidenced by the fact the Patrick is a carbon copy of "hope," has a little over half the democratic party, many of whom were never even active before, all aflutter and playing American Idol politics. It frightens me. I don't trust this. Convince me I'm wrong.

have you read his books?

 

[midcan5]

Reagan ran a similar candidacy if it was Ok for him it is Ok for Obama but hopefully the values of the man are different.

"All great change in America begins at the dinner table." Ronald Reagan

 

[Teri B.]

have you read his books?

No, I've read summaries. But I've read The Lord of the Rings triology, should Tolkin have been president? If writing and flourish alone were all that were required to be president, we'd be electing speach writers.

Anything else?

 

[maineman]

No, I've read summaries. But I've read The Lord of the Rings triology, should Tolkin have been president? If writing and flourish alone were all that were required to be president, we'd be electing speach writers.

Anything else?

Obama's books aren't fiction.

So you condemn him but have never read his writings to gain a greater understanding of his ideas and his priorities and his character?

I got it. I certainly don't need to hear "anything else" from YOU.

 

[Teri B.]

Obama's books aren't fiction.

So you condemn him but have never read his writings to gain a greater understanding of his ideas and his priorities and his character?

I got it. I certainly don't need to hear "anything else" from YOU.

I know his positions, his beliefs, his "character" as it is written by and for him. Carter had good character - he was an ineffectual president.

Have YOU read HER books? Cause you're not biased right? I haven't read either, just excerpts and summaries.

It sucks when people don't agree with you huh? But remember this, somewhere between 40% and 50% of democrats are voting for her, and many of those coming out to vote for him are political newbies. I am not alone in my views, not at all, and this cult of personality will get bored with this latest fad and move on to upside down rock climbing or whatever. Let's just hope they don't do it before November's elections.

 

[maineman]

I know his positions, his beliefs, his "character" as it is written by and for him. Carter had good character, he was an ineffectual president.

Have YOU read HER books?

Hillary's? Yes, I have. I haven't read "It Takes a Village", but I have read "Living History". I was impressed and I would not be disappointed in the least if she were the nominee.

As I have said previously, I have doubts about her electability. I think conservatives who might otherwise stay home given their dislike of McCain might be more inclined to hold their noses and vote for McCain as a way of voting against Hillary. I also think Obama does better with independents than she does...and I think that her getting the nomination will be an acrimonious process that might suck the energy out of the democratic party.

 

[Teri B.]

Hillary's? Yes, I have. I haven't read "It Takes a Village", but I have read "Living History". I was impressed and I would not be disappointed in the least if she were the nominee.

As I have said previously, I have doubts about her electability. I think conservatives who might otherwise stay home given their dislike of McCain might be more inclined to hold their noses and vote for McCain as a way of voting against Hillary. I also think Obama does better with independents than she does...and I think that her getting the nomination will be an acrimonious process that might suck the energy out of the democratic party.

Well then, I'll stop being so defensive. I came here to escape a board filled with vicious Obamamanics, and I guess I'm a bit touchy.

I know Obama says he can get the votes of republicans and conservatives (another claim also made by Deval Patrick), but that doesn't seem logical to me. I mean it's the moderates who voted and got McCain the nomination in the first place. They're going to paint him as the "most liberal senator in the U.S. Senate."

I'll say this, Clinton ran a lousy campaign, but then David Axelrod is our Karl Rove, we need about 20 of his clones. Did you know he also worked for Bill and Hillary Clinton at various times, and Elliot Spitzer, Chris Dodd, and John Edwards - in fact many think he was responsible for the "two Americas" mantra, along with many others?

 

[mattskramer]

If writing and flourish alone were all that were required to be president, we'd be electing speach writers.

Anything else?

If you really want to know what Obama has done, simply look here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama#Senate_career