Jussie Smollet vs. Morton Downey, Jr.

[LeftofLeft]

I doubt he's going to prison... and I doubt this conviction will hold up on appeal due to Double Jeopardy issues and that the well had already been poisoned by pre-trial publicity. Oh, yeah, and he really didn't hurt anyone.



Which people have been doing for years... and usually don't face any jail time, either.

If the rate of hoax race crimes are on the rise and need to be manufactured, then race and tolerance relations must improving.

 

[JoeB131]

Not clumsy enough to stop your president and vice president from buying it hook, line, and sinker. Fucking retards. LOL

You mean they heard a media report and accepted it at face value until proven otherwise? Okay. Not sure what your point is here.

ahhahahhah what double jeopardy issues????? Did his defense attorney's move for a change of venue? Did they?

he hurt millions of people with his selfish, greedy, pathetic behavior.

Uh, dummy, Double Jeopardy has nothing to do with Venue.

Smollett already reached an agreement with Kim Fox to pay a fine and do community service. therefore trying him again was a violation of double jeopardy protections under the Fifth Amendment. It can also be argued he couldn't have possibly gotten a fair trial after being declared guilty in the press for nearly three years.

 

[JoeB131]

If the rate of hoax race crimes are on the rise and need to be manufactured, then race and tolerance relations must improving.

Actually, the rate of REAL hate crimes has increased under Trump... which is what made Smollet's story so probable.

Hate Crimes Under Trump Surged Nearly 20 Percent Says FBI Report

The report also shows that hate-motivated murders, largely committed by white supremacists, spiked to their highest number in 28 years.

www.newsweek.com

Hate crimes rose by 226 percent in counties where Trump hosted campaign rallies in 2016: study

United States counties where President Trump hosted a campaign rally in 2016 saw a 226 percent increase in reported hate crimes compared to similar counties that did not host one, an anal…

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How Trump Fueled Anti-Asian Violence in America

Trump’s encouragement of white supremacy and his strident anti-China rhetoric proved a toxic combination for Asian Americans.

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[struth]

You mean they heard a media report and accepted it at face value until proven otherwise? Okay. Not sure what your point is here.



Uh, dummy, Double Jeopardy has nothing to do with Venue.

Smollett already reached an agreement with Kim Fox to pay a fine and do community service. therefore trying him again was a violation of double jeopardy protections under the Fifth Amendment. It can also be argued he couldn't have possibly gotten a fair trial after being declared guilty in the press for nearly three years.

haha he entered no plea. The charge was dismissed. If he had entered a plea you might have a point. The Govt can still be the charges back, DJ only attaches when the jury has be sworn, if the first witness sworn in a trial without a jury…or of course if the case was concluded with a guilty.

as to your second point…did he ask for a change of venue? Did his attorneys not voir dire the jurors on any media bias?

 

[JoeB131]

haha he entered no plea. The charge was dismissed. If he had entered a plea you might have a point. The Govt can still be the charges back, DJ only attaches when the jury has be sworn, if the first witness sworn in a trial without a jury…or of course if the case was concluded with a guilty.

Okay, you know, it's kind of hard to argue with your ignorance.


A detectives’ report in that trove read that, "Once Smollett was indicted by the Grand Jury on February 28, (the Chicago Police Department) was informed by the (Cook County state's attorney's office) that they could no longer investigate the crime ... Lanier informed detectives that she felt the case would be settled with Smollett paying the city of Chicago $10,000 in restitution and doing community service."
Smollett did indeed forfeit his cash bond of $10,000 — though his lawyers said it wasn’t a fine but a contribution by a “dedicated citizen” — and he spent two days volunteering at Rainbow/PUSH headquarters in what was later described as community service.

Case was settled. Double Jeopardy could be said to be attached.

But my guess... they'll reach a sentencing agreement that includes no appeal and no jail time.

 

[LeftofLeft]

Actually, the rate of REAL hate crimes has increased under Trump... which is what made Smollet's story so probable.

Hate Crimes Under Trump Surged Nearly 20 Percent Says FBI Report

The report also shows that hate-motivated murders, largely committed by white supremacists, spiked to their highest number in 28 years.

www.newsweek.com

Hate crimes rose by 226 percent in counties where Trump hosted campaign rallies in 2016: study

United States counties where President Trump hosted a campaign rally in 2016 saw a 226 percent increase in reported hate crimes compared to similar counties that did not host one, an anal…

thehill.com

How Trump Fueled Anti-Asian Violence in America

Trump’s encouragement of white supremacy and his strident anti-China rhetoric proved a toxic combination for Asian Americans.

thediplomat.com

“Hate” crimes are not consistently applied. When Blacks torture whites to death, only then do they get charged with hate crimes. If a white man spits on a Black woman or a white woman grabs a black teen because she thinks she is taking her cell phone, it’s a hate crime.

It looks like your numbers are padded and/or inconsistently applied. In either case, Smollet took advantage and executed a hoax hate crime.

 

[Mac-7]

Different time different era we as nation weren't a bunch of thin skined wimps engaging in victimhood and idenity politics back then and that act pretty much ended his pathectic career.

This wont end smollett’s career even if he goes to jail

He’s best buds with the obamas

 

[Mac-7]

Okay, you know, it's kind of hard to argue with your ignorance.


A detectives’ report in that trove read that, "Once Smollett was indicted by the Grand Jury on February 28, (the Chicago Police Department) was informed by the (Cook County state's attorney's office) that they could no longer investigate the crime ... Lanier informed detectives that she felt the case would be settled with Smollett paying the city of Chicago $10,000 in restitution and doing community service."
Smollett did indeed forfeit his cash bond of $10,000 — though his lawyers said it wasn’t a fine but a contribution by a “dedicated citizen” — and he spent two days volunteering at Rainbow/PUSH headquarters in what was later described as community service.

Case was settled. Double Jeopardy could be said to be attached.

But my guess... they'll reach a sentencing agreement that includes no appeal and no jail time.

You are defending a racist

Something libs claim to hate

 

[struth]

Okay, you know, it's kind of hard to argue with your ignorance.


A detectives’ report in that trove read that, "Once Smollett was indicted by the Grand Jury on February 28, (the Chicago Police Department) was informed by the (Cook County state's attorney's office) that they could no longer investigate the crime ... Lanier informed detectives that she felt the case would be settled with Smollett paying the city of Chicago $10,000 in restitution and doing community service."
Smollett did indeed forfeit his cash bond of $10,000 — though his lawyers said it wasn’t a fine but a contribution by a “dedicated citizen” — and he spent two days volunteering at Rainbow/PUSH headquarters in what was later described as community service.

Case was settled. Double Jeopardy could be said to be attached.

But my guess... they'll reach a sentencing agreement that includes no appeal and no jail time.

hahaha 1) a bond isn’t restitution. 2) that’s not DJ.

I explained to you what DJ is. Feel free to educate yourself further if you like or just continue to look stupid

sentencing agreement? hahaha sorry he took it to trial, there will be no plea offers at this time. He’s gonn go to prison. for his felonious conduct

 

[JoeB131]

“Hate” crimes are not consistently applied. When Blacks torture whites to death, only then do they get charged with hate crimes. If a white man spits on a Black woman or a white woman grabs a black teen because she thinks she is taking her cell phone, it’s a hate crime.

It looks like your numbers are padded and/or inconsistently applied. In either case, Smollet took advantage and executed a hoax hate crime.

Do you have a case where a black man tortured whites to death, or are you just pulling stuff out of your ass, again.

Of course, we saw a jump in hate crimes under Trump. The guy's motto was "Make American Hate Again". MAHA!!!!

 

[JoeB131]

hahaha 1) a bond isn’t restitution. 2) that’s not DJ.

I explained to you what DJ is. Feel free to educate yourself further if you like or just continue to look stupid

sentencing agreement? hahaha sorry he took it to trial, there will be no plea offers at this time. He’s gonn go to prison. for his felonious conduct

Again, unlikely since no one got hurt and he is a first time offender. The State got it's pound of flesh, letting this go to appeal would be foolish, as they abused the legal system to bring these charges.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Hey remember that time in 1989 when Conservative Talk show host Morton Downey, Jr. (the Pre-Rush Limbaugh) faked an attack by Neo Nazis in a San Francisco bathroom

Morton Downey Jr. - Wikipedia

In late April 1989, he was involved in an incident in a San Francisco International Airport restroom in which he claimed to have been attacked by neo-Nazis who painted a swastika on his face and attempted to shave his head.[20] Some inconsistencies in Downey's account (e.g., the swastika was painted in reverse, suggesting that Downey had drawn it himself in a mirror), and the failure of the police to find supportive evidence,[21] led many to suspect the incident was a hoax and a ploy for attention.[7][22] In July 1989, his show was canceled, with the owners of the show announcing that the last episode had been taped on June 30, and that no new shows would air after September 15, 1989.

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Funny thing happened. He didn't go to jail. There wasn't a horrid hew and cry about the moral decay in America.... The country just smirked that some loser was desperately seeking attention.

Imagine that. An appropriate response.

Remember when an entire political party decried the racially motivated attack on Downey and demanded his attackers face justice?

 

[struth]

Again, unlikely since no one got hurt and he is a first time offender. The State got it's pound of flesh, letting this go to appeal would be foolish, as they abused the legal system to bring these charges.

how did he not hurt anyone? and what was abused?

 

[JoeB131]

Remember when an entire political party decried the racially motivated attack on Downey and demanded his attackers face justice?

Only because his claims were plausible. There wasn't a rash of Neo-Nazi attacks in the 1980's.

On the other hand, Hate Crimes under Trump increased 20%, according to the FBI. So Smollet's claims were credible until proven otherwise.

The thing was, the reason why so many Democrats made a stink was because the CPD had a lovely habit of sweeping these things under the rug.

how did he not hurt anyone? and what was abused?

Who was harmed by Smollet's actions? I mean, Officer McFatty not being allowed to take his donut break isn't a tragedy.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Only because his claims were plausible. There wasn't a rash of Neo-Nazi attacks in the 1980's.

On the other hand, Hate Crimes under Trump increased 20%, according to the FBI. So Smollet's claims were credible until proven otherwise.

The thing was, the reason why so many Democrats made a stink was because the CPD had a lovely habit of sweeping these things under the rug.



Who was harmed by Smollet's actions? I mean, Officer McFatty not being allowed to take his donut break isn't a tragedy.

^ snorts the KoolAid fresh from the can

 

[struth]

Only because his claims were plausible. There wasn't a rash of Neo-Nazi attacks in the 1980's.

On the other hand, Hate Crimes under Trump increased 20%, according to the FBI. So Smollet's claims were credible until proven otherwise.

The thing was, the reason why so many Democrats made a stink was because the CPD had a lovely habit of sweeping these things under the rug.



Who was harmed by Smollet's actions? I mean, Officer McFatty not being allowed to take his donut break isn't a tragedy.

There wasn’t a rash of neo nazi attacks in the 2010s either…Jussie made it up and you dembots bought it hook line ans sinker…why? because your sheep, and it fit the demafascict narrative of fearmongerijg

 

[LeftofLeft]

Do you have a case where a black man tortured whites to death, or are you just pulling stuff out of your ass, again.

Of course, we saw a jump in hate crimes under Trump. The guy's motto was "Make American Hate Again". MAHA!!!!

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[struth]

Only because his claims were plausible. There wasn't a rash of Neo-Nazi attacks in the 1980's.

On the other hand, Hate Crimes under Trump increased 20%, according to the FBI. So Smollet's claims were credible until proven otherwise.

The thing was, the reason why so many Democrats made a stink was because the CPD had a lovely habit of sweeping these things under the rug.



Who was harmed by Smollet's actions? I mean, Officer McFatty not being allowed to take his donut break isn't a tragedy.

The people of Chicago were harmed by his actions....not to mention the entire country that believed him, not to mentioned the real victims of hate crimes, and the legacy of all the dead people that were lynched by the Dems throughout history.

Someone doesn't need a phyical injury to be harmed.

 

[ColonelAngus]

If Jussie doesnt go to jail, it will encourage more scumbags to fake hate crimes. No accountability for all the damage this caused.

Disgusting.

 

[JoeB131]

There wasn’t a rash of neo nazi attacks in the 2010s either…Jussie made it up and you dembots bought it hook line ans sinker…why? because your sheep, and it fit the demafascict narrative of fearmongerijg

The FBI states that hate crimes increased 20% on Trump's watch. Which is what happens when you have an openly racist president condoning things.

If Jussie doesnt go to jail, it will encourage more scumbags to fake hate crimes. No accountability for all the damage this caused.

Disgusting.

By that logic, we shouldn't have any more murders because we put murderers in jail. Oh, wait.

The people of Chicago were harmed by his actions....not to mention the entire country that believed him, not to mentioned the real victims of hate crimes, and the legacy of all the dead people that were lynched by the Dems throughout history.

Someone doesn't need a phyical injury to be harmed.

I live in Chicago.. .I wasn't harmed a little tiny bit.

You're kind of babbling here now, buddy.