Judges overturn the will of the people again

[nosarcasm]

Watching California is watching a big pot of Liberalism in action...one can actually see how liberalism becomes totalitarianism step-by-step...kind of like an historical reenactment of socialism rising to become Nazi Germany.

Because liberals consider themselves and their ideas superior to any other, they ignore the will of the people...all because they think they are "improving society" with their masterminding and that supposedly "justifies" their skirting the law and the vote of the people.

umm Nazi Germany hated communist and socialist and put them into
concentration camps. your wish to associate the left with the Nazis
is ridicilous.

 

[KarlMarx]

I asked my question first, but to answer yours it doesn't. thats my point though. The constitution isn't about limiting what a citizen can do, it limits the authority that the government has over the people, is that correct? The rest of the limits come in the form of laws written by the legislature, like murder and rape. correct?

True.... the rights not specifically enumerated in the Constitution are up to the states to decide... that's how I understand the 10th amendment.

ok, i mostly agree with that. Now, how does anyone define WHAT is unconstitutional?

I don't believe that the Founding Fathers wanted the judiciary deciding what is constitutional and what isn't. I believe the first time the Supreme Court declared something unconstitutional was in Marbury vs. Madison. I also believe that when some of the Founding Fathers heard the news that the Supreme Court declared something unconstitutional, they were pretty upset, because they saw it as a power grab by the judiciary.

I'm not a legal scholar, but from what I have been reading, that's my understanding of the whole thing.

 

[SmarterThanYou]

Citing the example of abortion, he said unelected justices too often choose to read new rights into the Constitution, at the expense of the democratic process.

and this is why i'm unsure of scalia. For years now, i've heard him claim that we have more rights now than the constitution calls for, but again, the constitution limits the government, not the citizen.

 

[Avatar4321]

umm Nazi Germany hated communist and socialist and put them into concentration camps. your wish to associate the left with the Nazis is ridicilous.

Nice try. But anyone who understands the Nazi's know they were socialists. I would think it would be difficult to be the National Socialist party to be anything other then socialist. You would think Hitlers own claims to be socialist would convince people. but course not not. Fascism and communism are soooo far apart. right... They two sides of the same coin. Socialism. Ill give you Hitler's direct quote:

"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions"

(Speech of May 1, 1927. Quoted by Toland, 1976, p. 306)

Sure sounds like he thought he was a socialist. Hitler may have been to the right of Stalin's communists. But he is what we would call a fraction of the fringe left in todays politics. Those are the facts.

Hitler was a socialist

Simply because the fascists and the communists didnt get a long doesnt mean they arent both socialist. After all quite often its interfamily fights tend to be the most bitter.

 

[Bonnie]

umm Nazi Germany hated communist and socialist and put them into
concentration camps. your wish to associate the left with the Nazis
is ridicilous.

Not sure that flys in the context you lay it out. Germany hated everyone that wasn't German although for a while they were very snuggly with Stalin. Hitler was a fascist which has a very similar ideology and methodolgy with Communism, which is demonize others, do everything you can to squash their free speech to promote one agenda. If you think about it not so different than hard core libs in this country.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

umm Nazi Germany hated communist and socialist and put them into
concentration camps. your wish to associate the left with the Nazis
is ridicilous.

you think so? read this:

http://members.cox.net/polincorr1/ew10.htm

Washington Times
Letters to the Editor
June 7, 1997 - Arlington, VA

During the past several months in the American press, the Democrats have frequently denounced the Republicans as Nazis due to their attempts to control runaway federal spending. How very ironic. I remember the Nazis. Let me share a little about them and recall some of their exploits.

First of all, "Nazi" was gutter slang for the verb "to nationalize". The Bider-Mienhoff gang gave themselves this moniker during their early struggles. The official title of the Nazi Party was "The National Socialist Workers Party of Germany". Hitler and the Brownshirts advocated the nationalization of education, health care, transportation, national resources, manufacturing, distribution and law enforcement.

Hitler came to power by turning the working class, unemployed, and academic elite against the conservative republic. After Der Fuhrer's election ceased being a political conspiracy and was transformed into a fashionable social phenomenon, party membership was especially popular with educators, bureaucrats, and the press.

Being a Nazi was "politically correct". They called themselves "The Children of the New Age of World Order" and looked down their noses at everyone else. As Hitler acquired more power, he referred to his critics as "The Dark Forces of Anarchy and Hatred". Anyone who questioned Nazi high-handedness in the German press was branded a "Conservative Reactionary". Joseph Goebbels, minister of communications, proclaimed a "New World Order".

The Nazi reign of terror began with false news reports on the Jews, Bohemians and Gypses who were said to be arming themselves to overthrow the "New World Order" and Hitler demanded that all good people register their guns so that they wouldn't fall into the hands of "terrorists and madmen".Right-wing fanatics of the "Old Order" who protested firearms registration were arrested by the S.S. and put in jail for "fomenting hatred against the Government of the German people".

Then the Reichstag (government building) was blown up and Hitler ram-rodded an "Emergency Anti-Terrorist Act" through Parliament that gave the Gestapo extraordinary powers. The leader then declared that for the well-being of the German people, all private firearms were to be confiscated by the Gestapo and the Wermotten (federal law enforcement and military). German citizens who refused to surrender their guns when the "jack-boots" (Gestapo) came calling, were murdered in their homes. By the way, the Gestapo were the federal marshals' service of the Third Reich. The S.W.A.T. team was invented and perfected by the Gestapo to break into the homes of the enemies of the German people.

When the Policia Bewakken, or local police, refused to take away guns from townsfolk, they themselves were disarmed and dragged out into the street and shot to death by the S.A. and the S.S. Those were Nazi versions of the B.A.T.F. and the F.B.I. When several local ministers spoke out against these atrocities, they were imprisoned and never seen again.

The Gestapo began to confiscate and seize the homes, businesses, bank accounts, and personal belongings of wealthy conservative citizens who had prospered in the old Republic. Pamphleteers who urged revolt against the Nazis were shot on site by national law enforcement and the military. Gypsies and Jews were detained and sent to labor camps. Mountain roads throughout central Europe were closed to prevent the escape of fugitives into the wilderness, and to prevent the movement and concealment of partisan resistance fighters.

Public schools rewrote history and Hitler youth groups taught the children to report their parents to their teachers for anti-Nazi remarks. Such parents disappeared. Pagan animism became the state religion of the Third Reich and Christians were widely condemned as "right wing fanatics".

Millions of books were burned first and then people. Millions of them burned in huge ovens after they were first gassed to death. Unmarried women were paid large sums of money to have babies out of wedlock and then given medals for it. Evil was declared as being good, and good was condemned as being evil. World Order was coming and the German people were going to be the "peacekeepers".

Yes, indeed, I remember the Nazis and they weren't Republicans, or "right wing", or "patriots" or "militias". They were Socialist monsters.


— Thomas Colton Ruthford

 

[nosarcasm]

that piece is wrong on so many levels.

First the Bader Meinhoff gang did not call themselves Nazis , infact
they called the democratic government Nazis and fascists.

http://www.baader-meinhof.com/

"It wasn't just about killing Americans, and killing pigs, at least not at first. It was about attacking the illegitimate state that these pawns served. It was about scraping the bucolic soil and exposing the fascist, Nazi-tainted bedrock that the modern West German state was .. "

Then the perception of the old generations of Germans that the Nazi party
stood for law and order against the communist marxist (Rotfront).
This goes back to the civil unrest at the end of WW1 when the extreme
left tried to take over power in Germany fighting against conservative
militias and the police. The left especially the unions and socialist where
also thrown into the concentration camps and that should indicate to
you that despite the word Sozialistsche in their party name the Nazis
had few commonalities with the left.

Former Nazis only joined two partys. The Conservatives and the Liberals (German liberals are a mix of nationalists and pro economy people + some libertarian stuff)


_Right-wing fanatics of the "Old Order" who protested where arrested etc.

This is the old pro monarchy faction. The Nazis definitly hated them. To secure their position of power they got rid of the old nobility especially
later in the Army. The monarchist were not exactly extreme rightwing
they were just the leftover of the old times.

Being that most the former low level Nazis turned into conservatives it
is disingenious to claim the Nazi party was part of the left.

In the Reichstag they allied with conservative forces and always fought
against the left.

The case for the Nazis being part of the left is not only wrong is fraudulent.