Judges overturn the will of the people again

[Avatar4321]

California Judges rules California ban on Gay Marriage is Unconstitutional

This kind of unconstitutional action by judges is really starting to get on my nerves. The People of California voted by direct referendum to oppose gay marriage. I know I was there when alot of the preparation for the election was going on. First the Mayor of San Fransisco decides not to enforce the laws and now a judge is claiming the laws are unconstitutional. I dont care what their political beliefs are but they have a constitutional obligation to uphold the Constitution. It is against the Constitution for them to usurp the powers of the legislature and the people.

If you continue to allow a minority of people to enforce their values on the American people you will cause a civil war. The people wont take it.

The will of the people must be upheld. We have to push forward this federal ammendment.

 

[KarlMarx]

California Judges rules California ban on Gay Marriage is Unconstitutional

This kind of unconstitutional action by judges is really starting to get on my nerves. The People of California voted by direct referendum to oppose gay marriage. I know I was there when alot of the preparation for the election was going on. First the Mayor of San Fransisco decides not to enforce the laws and now a judge is claiming the laws are unconstitutional. I dont care what their political beliefs are but they have a constitutional obligation to uphold the Constitution. It is against the Constitution for them to usurp the powers of the legislature and the people.

If you continue to allow a minority of people to enforce their values on the American people you will cause a civil war. The people wont take it.

The will of the people must be upheld. We have to push forward this federal ammendment.

And after all this, some people have to ask why judges are being shot!

 

[ScreamingEagle]

Watching California is watching a big pot of Liberalism in action...one can actually see how liberalism becomes totalitarianism step-by-step...kind of like an historical reenactment of socialism rising to become Nazi Germany.

Because liberals consider themselves and their ideas superior to any other, they ignore the will of the people...all because they think they are "improving society" with their masterminding and that supposedly "justifies" their skirting the law and the vote of the people.

 

[5stringJeff]

And after all this, some people have to ask why judges are being shot!

That's a bit extreme... but I think I understand your point.

 

[Bonnie]

It is my understanding that this is now going to the California State Supreme Ct in a year or so which would really set a precendent for other states?

 

[SmarterThanYou]

just another state that will vote in a constitutional amendment. this will be a non-issue eventually

 

[musicman]

Watching California is watching a big pot of Liberalism in action...one can actually see how liberalism becomes totalitarianism step-by-step...kind of like an historical reenactment of socialism rising to become Nazi Germany.

Because liberals consider themselves and their ideas superior to any other, they ignore the will of the people...all because they think they are "improving society" with their masterminding and that supposedly "justifies" their skirting the law and the vote of the people.

You're so right. The beating heart of liberalism is arrogance. The liberal path can only lead to tyranny. How many times must history repeat itself before something begins to dawn on us?

 

[musicman]

just another state that will vote in a constitutional amendment. this will be a non-issue eventually

That's my understanding, too. Once the state Constitution is amended, it'll be out of the hands of the courts and the legislature.

It still represents a rather disturbing attempt to usurp the will of the people, though. Would that this arrogant attitude were an anomaly; it's not, by a DAMNED sight.

 

[manu1959]

Watching California is watching a big pot of Liberalism in action...one can actually see how liberalism becomes totalitarianism step-by-step...kind of like an historical reenactment of socialism rising to become Nazi Germany.

Because liberals consider themselves and their ideas superior to any other, they ignore the will of the people...all because they think they are "improving society" with their masterminding and that supposedly "justifies" their skirting the law and the vote of the people.

well at least the weather is nice ..........

 

[ScreamingEagle]

just another state that will vote in a constitutional amendment. this will be a non-issue eventually

One can only hope. The state Supreme Courts can act pretty fast compared to the process of legislating a new Constitutional Amendment, making it more of an uphill battle all the time. Besides, after Bush's pronouncement on the subject last year, has there been any further progress toward this goal?

I would like to see the citizens of California backlash bigtime against their Court's ruling as it usurps the people's right to make law. Or will they just give up and let the liberals have their way once again?

 

[Bonnie]

ScreamingEagle I would like to see the citizens of California backlash bigtime against their Court's ruling as it usurps the people's right to make law. Or will they just give up and let the liberals have their way once again?

It seems everytime a California court votes on something it turns into a giant F*@k Off to the people.

 

[Bullypulpit]

California Judges rules California ban on Gay Marriage is Unconstitutional

This kind of unconstitutional action by judges is really starting to get on my nerves. The People of California voted by direct referendum to oppose gay marriage. I know I was there when alot of the preparation for the election was going on. First the Mayor of San Fransisco decides not to enforce the laws and now a judge is claiming the laws are unconstitutional. I dont care what their political beliefs are but they have a constitutional obligation to uphold the Constitution. It is against the Constitution for them to usurp the powers of the legislature and the people.

If you continue to allow a minority of people to enforce their values on the American people you will cause a civil war. The people wont take it.

The will of the people must be upheld. We have to push forward this federal ammendment.

The judge merely stated the fact of the matter...That being that there is no rational basis for denying same gender couples the right to enjoy the institution of marriage and all of the priviledges and responsibilities it entails.

<blockquote>"No rational purpose exists for limiting marriage in this state to opposite-sex partners,'' Kramer wrote in a decision that relied on rights guaranteed by the California Constitution. He cited as precedent another groundbreaking ruling, the state Supreme Court's 1948 decision striking down California's law against interracial marriage. - <i><b><a href=http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/archive/2005/03/15/SAMESEX.TMP&type=printable>SFGate.com</a></b></i></blockquote>

His ruling makes perfect sense in that the arguments for prohibiting same gender marriages are no different than those held by the long discredited supporters of anti-miscegenation laws.

 

[Bullypulpit]

Watching California is watching a big pot of Liberalism in action...one can actually see how liberalism becomes totalitarianism step-by-step...kind of like an historical reenactment of socialism rising to become Nazi Germany.

Because liberals consider themselves and their ideas superior to any other, they ignore the will of the people...all because they think they are "improving society" with their masterminding and that supposedly "justifies" their skirting the law and the vote of the people.

Actually, since 9/11, the Bush administration and the Republican party resemble the Nazi Party in pre-WWII Germany far more than any imagined liberal conspiracy.

 

[KarlMarx]

Actually, since 9/11, the Bush administration and the Republican party resemble the Nazi Party in pre-WWII Germany far more than any imagined liberal conspiracy.

You gotta be kidding me! That is one of the most outrageous claims that I've ever heard.

Pre-WWII Nazi Germany witnessed several purges, KrystalNacht, and the burning of the Reichstag and a wholesale suspension of civil rights. Thousands were imprisoned without trial, many were exiled or simply killed.

Liberals do not tolerate dissent ... period. Much like Nazi Germany.
Liberals have no respect for the rule of the majority or of a pluralistic form of government.... much like Nazi Germany.
Liberals seem to be in love with dictators or are apologists for them....

 

[Bullypulpit]

You gotta be kidding me! That is one of the most outrageous claims that I've ever heard.

Pre-WWII Nazi Germany witnessed several purges, KrystalNacht, and the burning of the Reichstag and a wholesale suspension of civil rights. Thousands were imprisoned without trial, many were exiled or simply killed.

Liberals do not tolerate dissent ... period. Much like Nazi Germany.
Liberals have no respect for the rule of the majority or of a pluralistic form of government.... much like Nazi Germany.
Liberals seem to be in love with dictators or are apologists for them....

Yawn...Still sounds like Dubbyuh and his merry band.

 

[Annie]

Yawn...Still sounds like Dubbyuh and his merry band.

Bully, you've lost it! :scratch:

 

[Avatar4321]

The judge merely stated the fact of the matter...That being that there is no rational basis for denying same gender couples the right to enjoy the institution of marriage and all of the priviledges and responsibilities it entails.

<blockquote>"No rational purpose exists for limiting marriage in this state to opposite-sex partners,'' Kramer wrote in a decision that relied on rights guaranteed by the California Constitution. He cited as precedent another groundbreaking ruling, the state Supreme Court's 1948 decision striking down California's law against interracial marriage. - <i><b><a href=http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/archive/2005/03/15/SAMESEX.TMP&type=printable>SFGate.com</a></b></i></blockquote>

His ruling makes perfect sense in that the arguments for prohibiting same gender marriages are no different than those held by the long discredited supporters of anti-miscegenation laws.

I dont care what your opinion on the matter is. I dont care that you ignore all the rational basis we've discused many times. In fact, I dont have a problem with you advocating your points at all.

My problem is that this judge is violating the constitution by usurping the legislative branch of its powers. You may find an oligarchy preferable to a republic but i sure as heck dont. See I have this crazy concept that people should be free to create their own laws and decide whats right and wrong and not have judges oppress them.

 

[theim]

What's so absurd about it Bully? Liberals are more in favor of having unelected judges make decisions than letting the unwashed masses decide their own fates. Liberals want total dependence on the government for sustenance. Anyone who disagrees with Liberals is shouted down and sued.

 

[Bullypulpit]

What's so absurd about it Bully? Liberals are more in favor of having unelected judges make decisions than letting the unwashed masses decide their own fates. Liberals want total dependence on the government for sustenance. Anyone who disagrees with Liberals is shouted down and sued.

By your definition then, I am not a liberal. I pefer individual responsibility over collective decision making. I prefer minimal government interference in my life. If someone disagrees with me, so be it.

But until we have a society capable of making rational decisions about such things as same-gender marriages, religious tolerance, and social justice, it seems to me that the judicial system stands as a check against the irrationality of "...the unwashed masses...".

 

[Bullypulpit]

I dont care what your opinion on the matter is. I dont care that you ignore all the rational basis we've discused many times. In fact, I dont have a problem with you advocating your points at all.

My problem is that this judge is violating the constitution by usurping the legislative branch of its powers. You may find an oligarchy preferable to a republic but i sure as heck dont. See I have this crazy concept that people should be free to create their own laws and decide whats right and wrong and not have judges oppress them.

The purpose of the judiciary is to act as a check on the legislative branch. This why the framers of the Constitution established the three branches of government...A system of checks and balances. When the legislative branch oversteps its authority it is the job and duty of the judicial branch to step in and redress the situation.