Judaism and zionism are extreme opposites

Less than 1/2 of those who call themselves Jews live in israel. They are the minority. But simple math is not even taught at your temple.

And this is way bigger than NK...

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What is your point? That is the gathering of the NK cult in the US.

You can fill thousands of stadiums like that with Jews that do support Israel. Here's the AIPAC meeting in 2017 packed with Jews and supporters of Israel, at the highest levels.

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Those people might call themselves Jews, but what they support is the antithesis of Judaism.
 
Less than 1/2 of those who call themselves Jews live in israel. They are the minority. But simple math is not even taught at your temple.

And this is way bigger than NK...

View attachment 144464
What is your point? That is the gathering of the NK cult in the US.

You can fill thousands of stadiums like that with Jews that do support Israel. Here's the AIPAC meeting in 2017 packed with Jews and supporters of Israel, at the highest levels.

aipac1cur.jpg
Those people might call themselves Jews, but what they support is the antithesis of Judaism.
Ha ha ha says who, you?! Oh sorry I forgot you and a bunch of these NK nutjob cultists that hang out with IslamoNazis. I stand corrected.
 
Less than 1/2 of those who call themselves Jews live in israel. They are the minority. But simple math is not even taught at your temple.

And this is way bigger than NK...

View attachment 144464
What is your point? That is the gathering of the NK cult in the US.

You can fill thousands of stadiums like that with Jews that do support Israel. Here's the AIPAC meeting in 2017 packed with Jews and supporters of Israel, at the highest levels.

aipac1cur.jpg
Those people might call themselves Jews, but what they support is the antithesis of Judaism.
Ha ha ha says who, you?! Oh sorry I forgot you and a bunch of these NK nutjob cultists that hang out with IslamoNazis. I stand corrected.
Judaism believes in One G-d who revealed the Torah. It affirms Divine Providence and, accordingly, views Jewish exile as a punishment for sin. Redemption may be achieved solely through prayer and penance. Judaism calls upon all Jews to obey the Torah in its entirety including the commandment to be patriotic citizens.

Zionism rejects the Creator, His Revelation and reward and punishment. Among its fruits are the persecution of the Palestinian people and the spiritual and physical endangering of the Jewish people. It encourages treasonous, dual loyalty among unsuspecting Jews throughout the world. At its root Zionism sees reality as barren and desacralized. It is the antithesis of Torah Judaism.

What is Zionism? Judaism versus Zionism


True of false?
 
Zionism rejects the Creator, His Revelation and reward and punishment. Among its fruits are the persecution of the Palestinian people and the spiritual and physical endangering of the Jewish people. It encourages treasonous, dual loyalty among unsuspecting Jews throughout the world. At its root Zionism sees reality as barren and desacralized. It is the antithesis of Torah Judaism.

Hardly any of this is even true. Zionism NEVER rejected the Creator.. That's ludicrous. And you've posted it now about 4 times. Will not make Zionists into Atheists. Which is the claim. It's hysteria and demagoguery.

These marginalized Ortho Jews you're relying on just don't RECOGNIZE govt of man.. THAT'S their issue. If one of them has a 'dream' and God comes to him and says - --- "Today is the day you will lead my people to Zion" --- they'd all go to Israel and claim it as God's will..

That's not the RATIONAL basis for Zionism.

And your entire tactic of trying to embarass Jews for their support of the Israel is puny and ineffective. LARGELY because Israel is not just supported by Jews. It exists. It is a nation. It IS successful. And it has support (within limits) outside the Jewish people.

In FACT -- the most zealous support for Israel in America comes from the Christian evangelists. Jews don't "flock" too well. We argue over everything. And in the case of Israel, we argue over POLITICAL direction, but not about it's existence. Deal with it..
 
Zionism NEVER rejected the Creator..
False.

Otherwise there is no way they would take the holy land by force. G-d is really clear here in our Torah. We are to remain in our diaspora until He returns us and furthermore, we are to be loyal citizens wherever we reside.
 
And your entire tactic of trying to embarass Jews for their support of the Israel is puny and ineffective.
They should be embarrassed. They are liars, thieves and murderers, the antithesis of Jews. And are embarrassed that you can't spell embarrass?

LARGELY because Israel is not just supported by Jews.
As I previously explained a few times. Most who call themselves Jews do NOT live in israel. They are the minority.

The Christian zionist thing is a whole other thread and is as dangerous to real Christians as it is to real Jews.
 
Zionism NEVER rejected the Creator..
False.

Otherwise there is no way they would take the holy land by force. G-d is really clear here in our Torah. We are to remain in our diaspora until He returns us and furthermore, we are to be loyal citizens wherever we reside.

So Louie -- what branch of Judaism do you practice? Are they ALL atheists "rejecting the Creator"? Grow up. And man up about your "Jewishness".. It's sad to watch the fraud...
 
We are to remain in our diaspora until He returns us and furthermore, we are to be loyal citizens wherever we reside.

Where did you get this idea? To WHOM did God speak on the diaspora? Do you have a link?

Were the Jews that built the 1st and 2nd Temples in Jerusalem Athesists Louie? How many Jewish Atheists are there exactly?
 
Where did you get this idea? To WHOM did God speak on the diaspora? Do you have a link?
Dude, the Torah? Go to your temple and ask a rabbi. Sheesh.


Were the Jews that built the 1st and 2nd Temples in Jerusalem Athesists Louie?
No idea if those temples were ever built. They are likely just stories.

Oh c'mon man. I've read the Torah. The Diaspora is NOT in there. At least not the recent one. And for old timey diasporas -- the Jews found their way back to the Holy Land without "rejecting God"..

Does YOUR Torah have a 20th Century appendix or something?
 
I know what it says in the Torah and much from the talmud as well. Religious text is not historical fact. Sorry.

Beyond being required to remain peacefully in our diaspora, Jews are not permitted to lie, steal or murder... bottom line.

This is another really simple one, but right over your head as usual.
 
Beyond being required to remain peacefully in our diaspora, Jews are not permitted to lie, steal or murder... bottom line.

Peacefully? In Nazi Germany? Where in the Bible is that commandment? Peacefully in Egypt, Syria, Iraq, Jordan? Oh there it is !!! Book of Louie Chapter 8 --- Verse 88...

You reject all history in the Bible -- you're tossing 75% of it in the trash bin...
 
Peacefully? In Nazi Germany?
Exactly. G-d was clear. Had our people behaved differently throughout history, so much Jewish suffering could have been avoided. We have not been returned by G-d because we have not satisfied the covenant. That, in a nutshell, is how different zionism is from Judaism.

You reject all history in the Bible -- you're tossing 75% of it in the trash bin...
It is not an historical reference or considered one by any serious historian.
 
I hope this helps clear up the confusion.

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Over 10,000 Orthodox Jews protesting the existence of the state of Israel, and the recent beating of Orthodox Jews who protested in Israel against the uprooting of Jewish cemeteries of antiquity which was done in order to enable the construction of a highway #6, near Haifa, Israel – protest in front of the Israeli consulate New York City, Thursday, April 28, 2005


10,000 Demonstrate in NYC Against Israel on April 28, 2005

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I wonder how many Jews voted for Hitler.
Like the voters in the US have not been duped.
 
You should read this whole thing, but here is an excerpt...

...The Zionist state employs a set of chief rabbis and uses religious parties to ornament their state with a clerical image. They study the Torah with commentaries altered to clothe the words with nationalistic nuances. Our rabbis have countless times proclaimed that it matters little which individuals or parties govern in the Zionist state because the very establishment and existence of the state itself is to be condemned and to be deplored.


The true Jews remain faithful to Jewish belief and are not contaminated with Zionism.


The true Jews are against dispossessing the Arabs of their land and homes. According to the Torah, the land should be returned to them.


Neturei Karta deplore the systematic uprooting of ancient Jewish communities by the Zionists, the shedding of Jewish and non-Jewish blood for the sake of Zionist sovereignty and the Neturei Karta favor a peaceful transition from the present Zionist rule to a non-Zionist entity.


According to Judaic Law the Torah has the last word. There is no such thing as a majority of Jews who happen to be Jewish by birth who can alter Torah Law in any way. In fact even the greatest rabbi or as Maimonides writes, "even the greatest prophet" [referring actually to an authentic prophet], has no right to distort or amend even one letter of the Torah.


Rabbi Blau stated shortly before his death that the acceptance by the United Nations of the Zionist state as a member state constituted a grave injustice to the Jewish people. Neturei Karta hope that this great error will be corrected at the earliest opportunity. The Neturei Karta regret that the Zionist state has usurped the holy name of Israel and that the Zionists so often pretend to speak in the name of the Jewish people and assume the right to act on our behalf. Only those rabbis who have not been affected or influenced by the poison of Zionism, can be considered the spiritual leaders of today's Jewry.


The world must know that the Zionists have illegitimately seized the name Israel and have no right to speak in the name of the Jewish people!
What is the Neturei Karta?
 
I know what it says in the Torah and much from the talmud as well. Religious text is not historical fact. Sorry.

Beyond being required to remain peacefully in our diaspora, Jews are not permitted to lie, steal or murder... bottom line.

This is another really simple one, but right over your head as usual.
Well there you have it...you aren't Jewish for sure. Cause all you've done in this thread is lie about Zionism, Jews, Judaism, and the Torah.
 
I know what it says in the Torah and much from the talmud as well. Religious text is not historical fact. Sorry.

Beyond being required to remain peacefully in our diaspora, Jews are not permitted to lie, steal or murder... bottom line.

This is another really simple one, but right over your head as usual.
Well there you have it...you aren't Jewish for sure. Cause all you've done in this thread is lie about Zionism, Jews, Judaism, and the Torah.
Use the quote function to show where I lied.
 
You should read this whole thing, but here is an excerpt...

...The Zionist state employs a set of chief rabbis and uses religious parties to ornament their state with a clerical image. They study the Torah with commentaries altered to clothe the words with nationalistic nuances. Our rabbis have countless times proclaimed that it matters little which individuals or parties govern in the Zionist state because the very establishment and existence of the state itself is to be condemned and to be deplored.


The true Jews remain faithful to Jewish belief and are not contaminated with Zionism.


The true Jews are against dispossessing the Arabs of their land and homes. According to the Torah, the land should be returned to them.


Neturei Karta deplore the systematic uprooting of ancient Jewish communities by the Zionists, the shedding of Jewish and non-Jewish blood for the sake of Zionist sovereignty and the Neturei Karta favor a peaceful transition from the present Zionist rule to a non-Zionist entity.


According to Judaic Law the Torah has the last word. There is no such thing as a majority of Jews who happen to be Jewish by birth who can alter Torah Law in any way. In fact even the greatest rabbi or as Maimonides writes, "even the greatest prophet" [referring actually to an authentic prophet], has no right to distort or amend even one letter of the Torah.


Rabbi Blau stated shortly before his death that the acceptance by the United Nations of the Zionist state as a member state constituted a grave injustice to the Jewish people. Neturei Karta hope that this great error will be corrected at the earliest opportunity. The Neturei Karta regret that the Zionist state has usurped the holy name of Israel and that the Zionists so often pretend to speak in the name of the Jewish people and assume the right to act on our behalf. Only those rabbis who have not been affected or influenced by the poison of Zionism, can be considered the spiritual leaders of today's Jewry.


The world must know that the Zionists have illegitimately seized the name Israel and have no right to speak in the name of the Jewish people!
What is the Neturei Karta?
There ya go repeating an irrelvant cult's propaganda for the thousandth time.
 

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