Joyce, are you ready to have your racial views changed?

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  1. William Joyce
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    Not me, Jewish law/tradition says that.

    Hell, ask jillian.

    There are some reform rabbis who have pushed to include Jewish FATHER as making for a Jew, but I don't know if that's gotten anywhere.
     
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    What if you are born to a Jewish family but then decide that you don’t want to be a Jew. Wow. That seems like a tough life sentence. “My mother was a Jew. I am an adult and I want to turn away from Judaism and denounce it. I can’t do it. I will forever be a Jew. Even if I want to be a Christian I am forced to be a Jew.

    What if you were not born a Jew – can you become a Jew?

    Gee what a tough club. If you are a member, you can’t get out. If you are not a member, you can’t get in.
     
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    would u have the balls to say this if william was black and he hated whites?

    if the answer is no, then shut up
     
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    Please be more specific. Are you responding to my comment? Would who have the balls to say what if William was black and he hated whites?
     
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    Jewish law says that because you always know who the mother is, not who the father is. Was actually a practical application. But anyone can convert in.

    As for father's blood... yes, that's gotten places. Was a big movement in Israel about it.

    But don't worry, Hitler defined it as having jewish blood. He didn't discriminate between mother and father. That should comfort you.
     
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    See my post above...

    As for not getting out once you're in, well, that would be people like WJ who like that one.
     
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    Can anyone convert into Judaism, or is a blood transfusion required?
     
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    No blood transfusion. Though there is the bit about circumcision after the studying.
     
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    Walter Sobchak: I'm saying, I see what you're getting at, Dude, he kept the money. My point is, here we are, it's shabbas, the sabbath, which I'm allowed to break only if it's a matter of life or death...
    The Dude: Will you come off it, Walter? You're not even fucking Jewish, man.
    Walter Sobchak: What the fuck are you talkin' about?
    The Dude: Man, you're fucking Polish Catholic...
    Walter Sobchak: What the fuck are you talking about? I converted when I married Cynthia! Come on, Dude!
    The Dude: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah...
    Walter Sobchak: And you know this!
    The Dude: Yeah, and five fucking years ago you were divorced.
    Walter Sobchak: So what are you saying? When you get divorced you turn in your library card? You get a new license? You stop being Jewish?
    The Dude: It's all a part of your sick Cynthia thing, man. Taking care of her fucking dog. Going to her fucking synagogue. You're living in the fucking past.
    Walter Sobchak: Three thousand years of beautiful tradition, from Moses to Sandy Koufax...
    [shouting]
    Walter Sobchak: You're goddamn right I'm living in the fucking past!


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    I think that you get the point that I'm trying to make.

    People should stop categorizing people. I mean, if I believe that I’m a Christian, who is to declare that I am not a Christian (I think that the Pope can be wrong.) If I see myself as a Jew, who is to judge me and declare that I’m not a Jew. People are so quick to decide if one is a liberal or a conservative too. I give people my opinion on a few issues and, blam, I’m labeled a Liberal. Then I give my opinion on other issues and, blam, I’m a conservative. Also, don’t people have the right to grow, think, become undecided and then, after some time has passed, change their minds? I feel the same way about race. What if I paint my skin dark and use special makeup to make me look Black. I’m still me. Race should not make a difference any more. I wonder what would happen if I filled out a form and said that I was Black.

    Oh well. I guess that you get my picture. I think that racial, religious, and political labels are used too often and are practically unnecessary. People are whoever they say that they are and, as for me, I’m a human far above any other label.
     

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