Joseph Stalin Takes A Trip To Hawaii

[PoliticalChic]

Roosevelt's apologists and Stalin's supporters have yet to make a dent in this thread....
....lies and attempts to change the subject, notwithstanding....

So...let's give dumb row another opportunity.



9. Stalin's agents in Washington, D.C. and in Tokyo, made certain that his plans met with success.....that plan was the attack on Pearl Harbor.


a. "From both Tokyo and Washington, KGB cells 'worked in mid-1941 to avert a Japanese invasion of the Soviet Union..."
"Sacred Secrets: How Soviet Intelligence Operations Changed American History," by Leona Schecter and Jerrold Schecter


b."Soviet military intelligence officer,Richard Sorge, directed the espionage network in Tokyo, which included members of the Institute of Pacific Relations,managed to push the Japanese to strike, not north into the Soviet Union, but at American interests."
"BlacklistedBy History," Stanton Evans, p. 390-392
[The IPC was rife with Soviet agents, such as Owen Lattimore.]


c. In Washington, agent Lauchlin Currie, White House economic adviser to President Franklin Roosevelt, worked at undermining any rapprochement between the US and Japan,and influenced the US to provoke the Japanese.

Will you stop using words associated with spying?
This thread has nothing to do with spying, it has to do with FDR being a commie pinko socialist!
Of course we have already had 223 threads about FDR the commie, but hey. what's another one?
Repeat it enough and by God, it must be a fact! Kinda like propaganda.
You missed your calling PC.

PC is on a continuous and dedicated mission to demonize FDR. He transformed the doctrines that guide American ideologies that have been accepted by the masses of America's major political parties. His doctrines have been followed to some degree by every President and government since he served. The fascist and corporatist will hate him forever.

"... a continuous and dedicated mission to demonize FDR."

Well....go ahead and show that my documented, linked, sourced posts aren't true and correct.

Have a go.

 

[Camp]

It is a misguided statement so it doesn't annoy me at all. Very few people agree with your comment and they become fewer and fewer as the time rolls by. Not sure what you use as a Reagan doctrine that is still in use today. What is it from that era that you believe has lasted and been proven successful over time?

The Reagan Doctrine was the confrontation of the USSR. That it, and the USSR lasted less than a decade because of it is a tribute to his, and its success.

You're a bit of a light weight Camp. Think before you write.

Obviously you do not understand the meaning of what a Presidential doctrine is. Reagan did not originate the confronting of the rulers in Moscow. That doctrine was already in effect when he came to power. He originated some doctrines to help bring it down, but those doctrines were abandoned after the collapse. His concept and development of a missile shield was a doctrine, but it did not last. The same could be said about his building up of the military.

 

[Meathead]

It is a misguided statement so it doesn't annoy me at all. Very few people agree with your comment and they become fewer and fewer as the time rolls by. Not sure what you use as a Reagan doctrine that is still in use today. What is it from that era that you believe has lasted and been proven successful over time?

The Reagan Doctrine was the confrontation of the USSR. That it, and the USSR lasted less than a decade because of it is a tribute to his, and its success.

You're a bit of a light weight Camp. Think before you write.

Obviously you do not understand the meaning of what a Presidential doctrine is. Reagan did not originate the confronting of the rulers in Moscow. That doctrine was already in effect when he came to power. He originated some doctrines to help bring it down, but those doctrines were abandoned after the collapse. His concept and development of a missile shield was a doctrine, but it did not last. The same could be said about his building up of the military.

Bullshit, the policy in place before Reagan was called Detente which Reagan abandoned. Before you try to take me on on history of the Cold War, do some homework. Stupidity is what it is, but arguing with your betters in ignorance is the stuff of idiots.

 

[PoliticalChic]

As I said.....this material is well hidden from the public at large.
One should ask why the information is kept so.
Think it might open a can of worms vis-a-vis Roosevelt and Stalin?


12. "The “infamy” of December 7, 1941, is deeper than most Americans have ever imagined.

The Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor was almost certainly the result of a Soviet plot—“Operation Snow”—carried out by Harry Dexter White, a figure of enormous influence in the Roosevelt administration and a known Soviet spy.

The emperor feared assassination by his own officers if he knuckled under to American or Russian threats to Japan’s economic and military interests, especially access to Americanoil.

The Russians, meanwhile, knew that they could not simultaneously repel an expected German invasion from the west and respond to the Japanese threat from the east. A series of skirmishes with the Japanese at Nomonhan in 1939 had revealed serious weaknesses in the Soviet military.

The NKVD, predecessor of the KGB, knew that a war with the United States would divert Japan from its ambitions in Mongolia and Siberia—threats that tied up 25% of the Red Army—and allow Russia to deploy its full military power against the Germans.

Fortunately for Stalin, his intelligence service had an “agent of influence” in Washington perfectly situated to provoke a U.S.-Japanese war—Harry Dexter White, a high-ranking Treasury official.

Born to a working-class immigrant family in Boston, White had served as a non-combat officer in World War I. He earned a doctorate in economics from Harvard but was unable to land an academic post in the Ivy League, in part because of anti-Semitism, and in part because of his own abrasive attitude toward subordinates." Pearl Harbor 2.0 TIME.com


Was Roosevelt stupid, or naive?
He knew about the slaughter under Stalin...

...he was warned about Stalin's duplicity...

...yet he embraced the Soviets, and succumbed to the Rasputin-like hypnosis.

And Stalin repaid him by having the Japanese attack Pearl Harbor.


Roosevelt....that 'great' President.

 

[Camp]

Stalin won....Roosevelt threw in the towel, and saddled America with dunces like you.

Roosevelt never threw in the towel. He died while in office. His death before completing some of his grand visions allows conspiracy theorist like you to imagine all kinds of nutty stuff.

He embraced Soviet communism in 1933.

"On November 16, 1933, President Franklin Roosevelt ended almost 16 years of American non-recognition of the Soviet Union following a series of negotiations in Washington, D.C. with the Soviet Commissar for Foreign Affairs, Maxim Litvinov." Recognition of the Soviet Union 1933 - 1921 1936 - Milestones - Office of the Historian


How about you change your avi to 'Stooge'?

He gave recognition to the USSR because the business community was demanding it in the middle of a depression and it made economic and political sense. It was also desperately needed as the world watched the possibility of war on the horizon. Leaving diplomatic recognition unrecognized with a big player in global politics like the USSR would have been negligent in the extreme. It proved beyond any doubt to have been the proper and wise decision.

"He gave recognition to the USSR because the business community was demanding it..."

Really?

The same folks he pilloried, calling them them “privileged princes…thirsting for power.”

The ones he wanted to tax out of existence?

1. 
   
   
   • Under the Robertson-Forand Bill, which passed the House 313-95 on May 4, 1943, people who earned $100,000 in 1942 and 1943 combined owed $115,985 in 1943. Those who earned $1,000,000 owed $1,564,795. Then a compromise was reached so that the figure owed was only $1,006,750 on a $1,000,000 income. Class warfare worked well as a strategy for FDR and the Democrats in the 1940s. Folsom and Folsom, "FDR Goes To War."

You're quite the fool, aren't you.

Anytime you get called on your crap you change the subject and divert the conversation. In this case it is because your own sources mention pressure from business interest to recognize relations with the USSR as main factor in the decision to grant recognition, plus it makes easy to understand good sense. Depression, lets sell American stuff to the Russians. Big country that needs a lot of stuff. All kinds of stuff.

 

[PoliticalChic]

While PC is on one of her infamous copy and paste frenzies, I thought I would add this tidbit to add to the copy-and paste-arama.

Israel Won’t Stop Spying on the U.S.
Whatever happened to honor among thieves? When the National Security Agency was caught eavesdropping on German Chancellor Angela Merkel’s cell phone, it was considered a rude way to treat a friend. Now U.S. intelligence officials are saying—albeit very quietly, behind closed doors on Capitol Hill—that our Israeli “friends” have gone too far with their spying operations here.

According to classified briefings on legislation that would lower visa restrictions on Israeli citizens, Jerusalem’s efforts to steal U.S. secrets under the cover of trade missions and joint defense technology contracts have “crossed red lines.”

Israel’s espionage activities in America are unrivaled and unseemly, counterspies have told members of the House Judiciary and Foreign Affairs committees, going far beyond activities by other close allies, such as Germany, France, the U.K. and Japan. A congressional staffer familiar with a briefing last January called the testimony “very sobering…alarming…even terrifying.” Another staffer called it “damaging."
http://www.newsweek.com/israel-wont-stop-spying-us-249757

Frenzy???

Pshaw!

I work in seraphic calm to create an unassailable thread, leading to an undeniable conclusion.

Seems that irritates the uninformed.....i.e., you.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Stalin won....Roosevelt threw in the towel, and saddled America with dunces like you.

Roosevelt never threw in the towel. He died while in office. His death before completing some of his grand visions allows conspiracy theorist like you to imagine all kinds of nutty stuff.

He embraced Soviet communism in 1933.

"On November 16, 1933, President Franklin Roosevelt ended almost 16 years of American non-recognition of the Soviet Union following a series of negotiations in Washington, D.C. with the Soviet Commissar for Foreign Affairs, Maxim Litvinov." Recognition of the Soviet Union 1933 - 1921 1936 - Milestones - Office of the Historian


How about you change your avi to 'Stooge'?

He gave recognition to the USSR because the business community was demanding it in the middle of a depression and it made economic and political sense. It was also desperately needed as the world watched the possibility of war on the horizon. Leaving diplomatic recognition unrecognized with a big player in global politics like the USSR would have been negligent in the extreme. It proved beyond any doubt to have been the proper and wise decision.

"He gave recognition to the USSR because the business community was demanding it..."

Really?

The same folks he pilloried, calling them them “privileged princes…thirsting for power.”

The ones he wanted to tax out of existence?

1. 
   
   
   • Under the Robertson-Forand Bill, which passed the House 313-95 on May 4, 1943, people who earned $100,000 in 1942 and 1943 combined owed $115,985 in 1943. Those who earned $1,000,000 owed $1,564,795. Then a compromise was reached so that the figure owed was only $1,006,750 on a $1,000,000 income. Class warfare worked well as a strategy for FDR and the Democrats in the 1940s. Folsom and Folsom, "FDR Goes To War."

You're quite the fool, aren't you.

Anytime you get called on your crap you change the subject and divert the conversation. In this case it is because your own sources mention pressure from business interest to recognize relations with the USSR as main factor in the decision to grant recognition, plus it makes easy to understand good sense. Depression, lets sell American stuff to the Russians. Big country that needs a lot of stuff. All kinds of stuff.

I did no such thing, you liar.

You brought up some lame excuse about his buckling to 'the business community' and I proved that if you were given an enema, you could be buried in a matchbox.

And I did it with his own quote, and a link to Folsom's book.

 

[PoliticalChic]

I wonder what the results would be if a poll were taken of Americans asking for the number of Soviet spies whom inhabited the FDR and Truman administrations. Do the government schools inform students of this massive infiltration and it's harmful consequences....doubt it. I would guess the vast majority of Americans are completely unaware that FDR was a dupe for Stalin...and Truman was too.Conversely I bet a good percentage believe Joe McCarthy was a ruthless lying punk.Ain't America great?

What the schools do is give the JBS info, then they give the real info, everybody has a good laugh at your expense, and, oh, yes, McCarthy "was a ruthless lying punk." Yes, America is great.

Proof that some Americans can be easily deceived.

Far too many.

That what happens when Liberals dictate their education.

 

[Camp]

It is a misguided statement so it doesn't annoy me at all. Very few people agree with your comment and they become fewer and fewer as the time rolls by. Not sure what you use as a Reagan doctrine that is still in use today. What is it from that era that you believe has lasted and been proven successful over time?

The Reagan Doctrine was the confrontation of the USSR. That it, and the USSR lasted less than a decade because of it is a tribute to his, and its success.

You're a bit of a light weight Camp. Think before you write.

Obviously you do not understand the meaning of what a Presidential doctrine is. Reagan did not originate the confronting of the rulers in Moscow. That doctrine was already in effect when he came to power. He originated some doctrines to help bring it down, but those doctrines were abandoned after the collapse. His concept and development of a missile shield was a doctrine, but it did not last. The same could be said about his building up of the military.

Bullshit, the policy in place before Reagan was called Detente which Reagan abandoned. Before you try to take me on on history of the Cold War, do some homework. Stupidity is what it is, but arguing with your betters in ignorance is the stuff of idiots.

Reagan followed the actions and policies set in motion by Carter after the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. Detente was over and that made Reagan's declarations hollow. Carter quit a doctrine put in place by Republicans Nixon and Ford.

 

[Meathead]

It is a misguided statement so it doesn't annoy me at all. Very few people agree with your comment and they become fewer and fewer as the time rolls by. Not sure what you use as a Reagan doctrine that is still in use today. What is it from that era that you believe has lasted and been proven successful over time?

The Reagan Doctrine was the confrontation of the USSR. That it, and the USSR lasted less than a decade because of it is a tribute to his, and its success.

You're a bit of a light weight Camp. Think before you write.

Obviously you do not understand the meaning of what a Presidential doctrine is. Reagan did not originate the confronting of the rulers in Moscow. That doctrine was already in effect when he came to power. He originated some doctrines to help bring it down, but those doctrines were abandoned after the collapse. His concept and development of a missile shield was a doctrine, but it did not last. The same could be said about his building up of the military.

Bullshit, the policy in place before Reagan was called Detente which Reagan abandoned. Before you try to take me on on history of the Cold War, do some homework. Stupidity is what it is, but arguing with your betters in ignorance is the stuff of idiots.

Reagan followed the actions and policies set in motion by Carter after the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. Detente was over and that made Reagan's declarations hollow. Carter quit a doctrine put in place by Republicans Nixon and Ford.

As I said Camp, read up a little. You obviously have the internet so google the Reagan Doctrine and figure out why it came to an end by yourself. I don't suffer dingbats gladly nor do have the time to explain the end of the Cold War to them. Sorry.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Well balanced American education teaches that America penetrated USSR policy makers as well as the Soviets making some successes of their own.

Well balanced American education teaches that FDR, HT, DDE, etc., were not dupes, willing or otherwise, of the Soviets, and that the American system of espionage against the Soviets did very well.

Well balanced American education teaches that that the nonsense spread by the likes of PoliticalChic etc. is exactly nonsense, and gives them some examples from the John Birch Society, prisonplanet, etc.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Well balanced American education teaches that America penetrated USSR policy makers as well as the Soviets making some successes of their own.

Well balanced American education teaches that FDR, HT, DDE, etc., were not dupes, willing or otherwise, of the Soviets, and that the American system of espionage against the Soviets did very well.

Well balanced American education teaches that that the nonsense spread by the likes of PoliticalChic etc. is exactly nonsense, and gives them some examples from the John Birch Society, prisonplanet, etc.

Well....then....what do they call you....'Fony'....'Fakey'....

...how about you find any of the well documented, linked, sourced, items that I've posted and back up some opposing view....


Or....simply admit that everything I post is true an factual.

 

[PoliticalChic]

"....Harry Dexter White, a figure of enormous influence in the Roosevelt administration and a known Soviet spy."


What has been revealed is that Stalin's agents in Roosevelt's administration, and the Soviet Sorge spy ring in Tokyo, saw to it that the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor.
Stalin.....the man that Roosevelt claimed as his ally.


Let's review:

13. "By the time he went to work in Franklin Roosevelt’s Treasury Department, he had developed communist sympathies, and by 1936, with the assistance of Whittaker Chambers, he was leaking information about Japanese and Chinese politics and economics to the NKVD.

Fearing exposure, White temporarily gave up his subversive activities. But in May 1941, as the non-aggression pact between Hitler and Stalin began to unravel, NKVD agent Vitalii Pavlov managed to reactivate White with an urgent mission—to provoke a war between the United States and Japan so that Russia would not have to fight on two fronts.

From his perch in the Treasury Department, White had become closely acquainted with the key figures in FDR’s administration. He knew, for instance, that Stanley Hornbeck, the State Department’s expert on Asia, hated the Japanese and believed that Asians were naturally timid and easily bluffed. And White wielded enormous influence with his boss, Secretary of the Treasury Henry Morgenthal Jr., whose personal friendship with the president made him the most powerful member of the cabinet.

Skillfully manipulating Morgenthau and Hornbeck, White was able to turn U.S. policy toward Japan in an increasingly belligerent direction. When FDR almost agreed to relax a U.S. oil embargo in return for Japan’s gradual evacuation of China, White drafted a hysterical letter for Morgenthau’s signature:

'To sell China to her enemies for the thirty blood-stained coins of gold, will not only weaken our national policy in Europe as well as the Far East, but will dim the bright luster of America’s world leadership in the great democratic fight against Fascism.'" Pearl Harbor 2.0 TIME.com



Isn't that great, the way communists can quote religious texts, while they try to stamp out religion...

.....and castigate something as 'fascist,' when communism and fascism are totalitarian blood-brothers.

Of course, only educated folks can see the irony/hypocrisy.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Notice that PC simply cutsnpaste, can't analyze any of it for goodness's sake, and when outed, as she has been for three pages, deflects.

PC, why would you have supported Hitler is the real question we want you to answer.

 

[PoliticalChic]

14. Due to the efforts of Stalin's agents in the Roosevelt administration, no softening of the policy toward Japan was allowed. Stalin needed the United States and Japan as adversaries.



"Instead of compromising, the United States demanded that Japan withdraw from China immediately, neutralize Manchuria, and sell three-quarters of its military and naval production to the U.S.

Perceiving the demand as an insult and a threat, the skittish Japanese government concluded that war was inevitable. They moved ahead with a contingency plan for an attack on the Pacific Fleet at Pearl Harbor and the Philippines, and Stalin, thanks to Harry Dexter White, were spared a war on his eastern flank.


White continued to shape U.S. policy to Soviet advantage into the postwar era until the revelations of the communist defectors Whittaker Chambers and Elizabeth Bentley precipitated his spectacular fall.

He died in 1948, quite possibly a suicide, three days after a disastrous appearance before the House Un-American Activities Committee. He was identified as a traitor by the FBI in 1950, but the full story of his role in provoking Pearl Harbor was unknown until Vitalii Pavlov, his Soviet handler and ultimately a lieutenant general in the KGB, published his memoirs in 1996.

Pavlov credited White with saving the Soviet Union.

John Koster is the author of the recently-publishedOperation Snow: How a Soviet Mole in FDR’s White House Triggered Pearl Harbor. An Army veteran, he lives in New Jersey. Pearl Harbor 2.0 TIME.com


So....the successful Operation Snow resulted in Japan attacking America at Pearl Harbor.....
....all through the efforts of Joseph Stalin.....

.....efforts that took place under Franklin Roosevelt's nose.

 

[Camp]

Roosevelt never threw in the towel. He died while in office. His death before completing some of his grand visions allows conspiracy theorist like you to imagine all kinds of nutty stuff.

He embraced Soviet communism in 1933.

"On November 16, 1933, President Franklin Roosevelt ended almost 16 years of American non-recognition of the Soviet Union following a series of negotiations in Washington, D.C. with the Soviet Commissar for Foreign Affairs, Maxim Litvinov." Recognition of the Soviet Union 1933 - 1921 1936 - Milestones - Office of the Historian


How about you change your avi to 'Stooge'?

He gave recognition to the USSR because the business community was demanding it in the middle of a depression and it made economic and political sense. It was also desperately needed as the world watched the possibility of war on the horizon. Leaving diplomatic recognition unrecognized with a big player in global politics like the USSR would have been negligent in the extreme. It proved beyond any doubt to have been the proper and wise decision.

"He gave recognition to the USSR because the business community was demanding it..."

Really?

The same folks he pilloried, calling them them “privileged princes…thirsting for power.”

The ones he wanted to tax out of existence?

1. 
   
   
   • Under the Robertson-Forand Bill, which passed the House 313-95 on May 4, 1943, people who earned $100,000 in 1942 and 1943 combined owed $115,985 in 1943. Those who earned $1,000,000 owed $1,564,795. Then a compromise was reached so that the figure owed was only $1,006,750 on a $1,000,000 income. Class warfare worked well as a strategy for FDR and the Democrats in the 1940s. Folsom and Folsom, "FDR Goes To War."

You're quite the fool, aren't you.

It is a misguided statement so it doesn't annoy me at all. Very few people agree with your comment and they become fewer and fewer as the time rolls by. Not sure what you use as a Reagan doctrine that is still in use today. What is it from that era that you believe has lasted and been proven successful over time?

The Reagan Doctrine was the confrontation of the USSR. That it, and the USSR lasted less than a decade because of it is a tribute to his, and its success.

You're a bit of a light weight Camp. Think before you write.

Obviously you do not understand the meaning of what a Presidential doctrine is. Reagan did not originate the confronting of the rulers in Moscow. That doctrine was already in effect when he came to power. He originated some doctrines to help bring it down, but those doctrines were abandoned after the collapse. His concept and development of a missile shield was a doctrine, but it did not last. The same could be said about his building up of the military.

Bullshit, the policy in place before Reagan was called Detente which Reagan abandoned. Before you try to take me on on history of the Cold War, do some homework. Stupidity is what it is, but arguing with your betters in ignorance is the stuff of idiots.

Reagan followed the actions and policies set in motion by Carter after the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. Detente was over and that made Reagan's declarations hollow. Carter quit a doctrine put in place by Republicans Nixon and Ford.

As I said Camp, read up a little. You obviously have the internet so google the Reagan Doctrine and figure out why it came to an end by yourself. I don't suffer dingbats gladly nor do have the time to explain the end of the Cold War to them. Sorry.[/QUOTE
How about if we google Detente and see who ended it, how and when. Like PC, you have to constantly deflect and divert. You claimed Reagan abandoned Detente when Detente had already been abandoned. That means it was not his doctrine. It was someone else's and he followed it.
I am aware that you are trying to compare a doctrine not instigated by Reagan and called a "Doctrine" because without it you and his fan club have nothing to fall back on. His claimed doctrine was a policy that ended immediately after he left office. Much like giving him full credit for ending the USSR when it ended years after he left office. You are comparing controversial policies, one of which was short lived to policies and doctrines still being used 75 years after being implemented by FDR.