John McCain 'doesn't understand' enhanced interrogation or torture

[The Rabbi]

right. and on you're say so we're supposed to believe you.

in what ways - specifically - is our way of waterboarding different? does it produce a different feeling of drowning? is the panic less urgent? what makes when we do it different?

Why dont you go and review an account of how the U.S practices interrogation techniques and then see if that fits with what the NVA did?
Just a suggestion.

here's a suggestion - back up your fucking claim.

in what way is the act of waterboarding physically different when we do it as compared to the nva?

As I thought. Merely a troll uninterested in the truth and incapable of doig the research himself.
Here's a suggestion: Stick it up your ass.

 

[ogibillm]

Why dont you go and review an account of how the U.S practices interrogation techniques and then see if that fits with what the NVA did?
Just a suggestion.

here's a suggestion - back up your fucking claim.

in what way is the act of waterboarding physically different when we do it as compared to the nva?

As I thought. Merely a troll uninterested in the truth and incapable of doig the research himself.
Here's a suggestion: Stick it up your ass.

i'm the troll? you make a claim and refuse to defend it. surely in all your wisdom you can share with us one physical way that waterboarding is different when we do it as compared to the nva. i'm sure we likely use nicer equipment but that doesn't change the physical sensation.

so name just one you fucking ignorant coward.

 

[Dot Com]

Thats rich coming from that dope seeing as how McCain was a POW.

What does McCain having been a POW have to do with it? Our waterboarding technique is NOT the waterboarding used by the Vietnamese. Just sayin'.

Link? HEY!!! How many differnet ways can you incline someone w/ their head facing down and pour water in the mouth's/nose? I'm calling bullshit unless you can prove we water-boarded in a "kinder & gentler" way

 

[The Rabbi]

here's a suggestion - back up your fucking claim.

in what way is the act of waterboarding physically different when we do it as compared to the nva?

As I thought. Merely a troll uninterested in the truth and incapable of doig the research himself.
Here's a suggestion: Stick it up your ass.

i'm the troll? you make a claim and refuse to defend it. surely in all your wisdom you can share with us one physical way that waterboarding is different when we do it as compared to the nva. i'm sure we likely use nicer equipment but that doesn't change the physical sensation.

so name just one you fucking ignorant coward.

Why do you need me to go do your research for you, you sniverling mass of jelly? go do what I said and leave the adults alone. Troll.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

in what ways is it different?

In every single way. Go read an account of US waterboarding and see if that sounds like something the NVA would do.

the waterboarding itself is the same. waterboarding is waterboarding is waterboarding - and if you're on the receiving end there is no difference.

There is one major difference.

When the NVA water boarded people they tied them to a board so they could not move, put a cloth over their face, and physically dunked them in water. We, on the other hand, did not restrain them, and stopped it as soon as they sat up. this entire thing was explained to them in advance, and all they actually had to do to entirely avoid the sensation of drowoning was sit up before the process began.

 

[ogibillm]

As I thought. Merely a troll uninterested in the truth and incapable of doig the research himself.
Here's a suggestion: Stick it up your ass.

i'm the troll? you make a claim and refuse to defend it. surely in all your wisdom you can share with us one physical way that waterboarding is different when we do it as compared to the nva. i'm sure we likely use nicer equipment but that doesn't change the physical sensation.

so name just one you fucking ignorant coward.

Why do you need me to go do your research for you, you sniverling mass of jelly? go do what I said and leave the adults alone. Troll.

your claim. back it up.

if there are so many differences, as you claim every difference, surely you can show just one.

what's the physical difference? i believe there isn't one. all you have to do is provide one to prove me wrong.

and it's your homework that isn't getting done.

but the truth is you're talking out of your ass, you have no proof, and you're just a fucking coward that can't man up to the fact that torture is torture no matter the perpetrator.

 

[ogibillm]

In every single way. Go read an account of US waterboarding and see if that sounds like something the NVA would do.

the waterboarding itself is the same. waterboarding is waterboarding is waterboarding - and if you're on the receiving end there is no difference.

There is one major difference.

When the NVA water boarded people they tied them to a board so they could not move, put a cloth over their face, and physically dunked them in water. We, on the other hand, did not restrain them, and stopped it as soon as they sat up. this entire thing was explained to them in advance, and all they actually had to do to entirely avoid the sensation of drowoning was sit up before the process began.

if that is the case why would we even use it?

i find this very hard to believe. do you have a source?

 

[Dot Com]

right. and on you're say so we're supposed to believe you.

in what ways - specifically - is our way of waterboarding different? does it produce a different feeling of drowning? is the panic less urgent? what makes when we do it different?

Why dont you go and review an account of how the U.S practices interrogation techniques and then see if that fits with what the NVA did?
Just a suggestion.

here's a suggestion - back up your fucking claim.

in what way is the act of waterboarding physically different when we do it as compared to the nva?

BINGO!!!​

He & CaliGirl made an assertion. You don't have to prove a negative, they need to prove a positive. Typical conservative tactic of making an unsubstantiated claim & when asked to provide proof they exhibit righteous indignation LOL

 

[Dot Com]

In every single way. Go read an account of US waterboarding and see if that sounds like something the NVA would do.

the waterboarding itself is the same. waterboarding is waterboarding is waterboarding - and if you're on the receiving end there is no difference.

There is one major difference.

When the NVA water boarded people they tied them to a board so they could not move, put a cloth over their face, and physically dunked them in water. We, on the other hand, did not restrain them, and stopped it as soon as they sat up. this entire thing was explained to them in advance, and all they actually had to do to entirely avoid the sensation of drowoning was sit up before the process began.

Thats a start. Now just link proof to back it up.

 

[American Cowboy]

McRino should admit he is a Democrat

 

[Dot Com]

McRino should admit he is a Democrat

after Lieberman admits he's a Republican.

 

[The T]

Speaking on Hugh Hewitt’s radio show, Santorum, the presidential hopeful and former Pennsylvania senator, says McCain is misguided in his stance against the enhanced interrogation techniques sanctioned during the Bush administration but discontinued by Obama's White House, which has labeled them torture.

RS: I don’t, everything I’ve read shows that we would not have gotten this information as to who this man was if it had not been gotten information from people who were subject to enhanced interrogation. And so this idea that we didn’t ask that question while Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was being waterboarded, he doesn’t understand how enhanced interrogation works. I mean, you break somebody, and after they’re broken, they become cooperative. And that’s when we got this information. And one thing led to another, and led to another, and that’s how we ended up with bin Laden. That seems to be clear from all the information I read. Maybe McCain has better information than I do, but from what I’ve seen, it seems pretty clear that but for these cooperative witnesses who were cooperative as a result of enhanced interrogations, we would not have gotten bin Laden.

White House Hopeful Rick Santorum Thinks John McCain "Doesn't Understand" Torture

Full show transcript:

The Hugh Hewitt Show

I can't believe it. Of all the people in this country, Rick Santorum says "John McCain doesn't understand torture". Of all the people. If John McCain doesn't understand torture, who does?

TWO WORDS Deany...

HANOI HILTON

Naw he doesn't understand a THING...

*Fucking OAF*

 

[Quantum Windbag]

the waterboarding itself is the same. waterboarding is waterboarding is waterboarding - and if you're on the receiving end there is no difference.

There is one major difference.

When the NVA water boarded people they tied them to a board so they could not move, put a cloth over their face, and physically dunked them in water. We, on the other hand, did not restrain them, and stopped it as soon as they sat up. this entire thing was explained to them in advance, and all they actually had to do to entirely avoid the sensation of drowoning was sit up before the process began.

if that is the case why would we even use it?

i find this very hard to believe. do you have a source?

It was in the news when the info first came out, why do you think they had to use it so many times?

 

[ogibillm]

There is one major difference.

When the NVA water boarded people they tied them to a board so they could not move, put a cloth over their face, and physically dunked them in water. We, on the other hand, did not restrain them, and stopped it as soon as they sat up. this entire thing was explained to them in advance, and all they actually had to do to entirely avoid the sensation of drowoning was sit up before the process began.

if that is the case why would we even use it?

i find this very hard to believe. do you have a source?

It was in the news when the info first came out, why do you think they had to use it so many times?

again, that doesn't make much sense. if a person can preemptively stop torture just by sitting up why would they choose to be subjected to it, and why would they ever give up any information because of it?

it doesn't make sense. perhaps that was the policy, but i doubt very much that the subjects were informed of it.

 

[The Rabbi]

the waterboarding itself is the same. waterboarding is waterboarding is waterboarding - and if you're on the receiving end there is no difference.

There is one major difference.

When the NVA water boarded people they tied them to a board so they could not move, put a cloth over their face, and physically dunked them in water. We, on the other hand, did not restrain them, and stopped it as soon as they sat up. this entire thing was explained to them in advance, and all they actually had to do to entirely avoid the sensation of drowoning was sit up before the process began.

if that is the case why would we even use it?

i find this very hard to believe. do you have a source?

There, see. Someone provides something and all you can do is attack it. You aren't interested in the truth. Someone could provide a thousand differences all with proof and you would find something to dispute. That's what makes you a smelly troll.

 

[ogibillm]

There is one major difference.

When the NVA water boarded people they tied them to a board so they could not move, put a cloth over their face, and physically dunked them in water. We, on the other hand, did not restrain them, and stopped it as soon as they sat up. this entire thing was explained to them in advance, and all they actually had to do to entirely avoid the sensation of drowoning was sit up before the process began.

if that is the case why would we even use it?

i find this very hard to believe. do you have a source?

There, see. Someone provides something and all you can do is attack it. You aren't interested in the truth. Someone could provide a thousand differences all with proof and you would find something to dispute. That's what makes you a smelly troll.

you're in idiot. he didn't provide anything except a statement with no backing. anyone can say anything and say it's true - i'm sure you do it a lot - but without some kind of credible source to back it up that statement and an empty sack is worth an empty sack.


seriously, why does this have to be explained to you? do you just accept everything some anonymous person writes on the internet as true (don't answer that. i'm sure the answer is yes, so long as it backs up your preconceived notions)

 

[Dr.Drock]

There is one major difference.

When the NVA water boarded people they tied them to a board so they could not move, put a cloth over their face, and physically dunked them in water. We, on the other hand, did not restrain them, and stopped it as soon as they sat up. this entire thing was explained to them in advance, and all they actually had to do to entirely avoid the sensation of drowoning was sit up before the process began.

if that is the case why would we even use it?

i find this very hard to believe. do you have a source?

There, see. Someone provides something and all you can do is attack it. You aren't interested in the truth. Someone could provide a thousand differences all with proof and you would find something to dispute. That's what makes you a smelly troll.

All he asked for was a link from you, you didn't provide, then asked for a link from someone else and it hasn't been provided yet either.

He's asked for the same thing consistently the entire thread, when he asked you for a link you responded with the old childish name-calling contest.

 

[Ravi]

More lies. According to the CIA, there is no difference. We don't have a kinder, gentler version of waterboarding.

The United States's Office of Legal Counsel stated the CIA's definition of waterboarding in a Top Secret 2002 memorandum as follows:

In this procedure, the individual is bound securely to an inclined bench, which is approximately four feet by seven feet. The individual's feet are generally elevated. A cloth is placed over the forehead and eyes. Water is then applied to the cloth in a controlled manner. As this is done, the cloth is lowered until it covers both the nose and mouth. Once the cloth is saturated and completely covers the mouth and nose, air flow is slightly restricted for 20 to 40 seconds due to the presence of the cloth... During those 20 to 40 seconds, water is continuously applied from a height of twelve to twenty-four inches. After this period, the cloth is lifted, and the individual is allowed to breathe unimpeded for three or four full breaths... The procedure may then be repeated. The water is usually applied from a canteen cup or small watering can with a spout... You have... informed us that it is likely that this procedure would not last more than twenty minutes in any one application.[23]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterboarding#cite_note-22
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[Intense]

Thats rich coming from that dope seeing as how McCain was a POW.

Yeah, it was that part of his life that forced him to grow up and take responsibility.

 

[signelect]

To say that John McCain doesn't understand torture is only done by a fool. I think 6 years in a NVA prison qualifies. Torture takes on many forms, water boarding is just one of them