John McCain Blames Arizona Fires on Illegal Immigrants

[LilOlLady]

McCain makes a factual statement and when he is challenged he backs off like a little coward. It has been a long standing fact that illegals start fired to distract from drugs and illegal smuggling.

 

[Momanohedhunter]

Many of the California wildfires we set by illegal aliens because they were caught. The SOB's have no right in this country in the first place. They hate America and American's they don't care if they burn the country down it isn't their country! The government is going to have a huge problem with mad as Hell taxpayers with guns.

Now, now, Hold on. That talk robs us of credibility, even-though any American who shoots them would be well within there rights. It just is not the answer at this time. With Jan Brewer doing her thing and Dick perry hopefully resigning to run for President that will possibly make two states on the border who will do something about it.

I wasn’t talking about citizens hunting down illegal aliens and shooting them.

I was talking about the Politicians better be careful of the taxpayers.

Do you think that illegal alien loving Gabby Gifford’s stance on immigration didn't have anything to do with what happened to her. Yeah, Jerrod is claiming insanity but anyone who wanted to live after what he did might claim the same thing. Gabby spent 10 years in office fighting for illegal aliens rights and welfare and around election time she went Anti-immigrant just enough to get re-elected. I bet there are crazies in every state. Just sayin’

I'm all for the Border Patrol controlling the borders and coast lines any way necessary.

Agent's shot kills rock thrower at border fence
U.S. officers trying to arrest border crosser assaulted by rocks, spiked piece of wood

And dont forget Bush. he wanted amnesty to. I see ware you are coming from though. Politicians getting shot would be a disaster, even if they deserve it. hang in there. It will get better.

 

[Wolfmoon]

I'm not so sure about that unless we force it. Americans have to stand up and DEMAND their polticians close the border and deport illegal aliens.

 

[Momanohedhunter]

Originally posted by Momanohedhunter
Now, now, Hold on. That talk robs us of credibility, even-though any American who shoots them would be well within there rights. It just is not the answer at this time. With Jan Brewer doing her thing and Dick perry hopefully resigning to run for President that will possibly make two states on the border who will do something about it.

Yep... they are well within their rights.

Their right to remain silent and to know that anything they say will be used against them in court.

Not in Texas. They can be shot for trespassing.

 

[Momanohedhunter]

I'm not so sure about that unless we force it. Americans have to stand up and DEMAND their polticians close the border and deport illegal aliens.

Its getting to that point. You see allot of black and white guys mowing yards here in Houston. If we could get rid of Perry, we may get an immigration Law like Arizona or Georgia.

 

[Momanohedhunter]

Originally posted by Momanohedhunter
Now, now, Hold on. That talk robs us of credibility, even-though any American who shoots them would be well within there rights. It just is not the answer at this time. With Jan Brewer doing her thing and Dick perry hopefully resigning to run for President that will possibly make two states on the border who will do something about it.

Yep... they are well within their rights.

Their right to remain silent and to know that anything they say will be used against them in court.

Still not going to address El Presidente's comments ?

 

[José]

Originally posted by Momanohedhunter
Not in Texas. They can be shot for trespassing.

Yep. But most ranchers just don't want them to destroy their fences so they even build ladders for them.

 

[Momanohedhunter]

Originally posted by Momanohedhunter
Not in Texas. They can be shot for trespassing.

Yep. But most ranchers just don't want them to destroy their fences so they even build ladders for them.

And clean up there trash, remove the carcases of the rustled cattle they kill, drive the the woman the coyote's gang raped to the hospitals, clean up there meth garbage, and they cant repair there fences because the Mexicans who cut them shoot the land owners. Oh, and then there are the dead bodies that are left behind to. The ranchers should not have to deal with them. We should do what your President does with illegals in his country. Send them back.

 

[José]

Originally posted by Momanohedhunter
Still not going to address El Presidente's comments ?

We should do what your President does with illegals in his country. Send them back.

Calderon is a politician, hunter... do as I say and not as I do is his motto.

Anyway Blitzer is a total idiot for wasting half an hour barking up the wrong tree.

It's not like Mexico invaded the US and is now stopping the country's government to send illegal mexicans back home.

 

[Momanohedhunter]

Originally posted by Momanohedhunter
Still not going to address El Presidente's comments ?

We should do what your President does with illegals in his country. Send them back.

Calderon is a politician, hunter... do as I say and not as I do is his motto.

Anyway Blitzer is a total idiot for wasting half an hour barking up the wrong tree.

It's not like Mexico invaded the US and is now stopping the country's government to send illegal mexicans back home.

"True dat" as my Son would say, ware Calderon and Blitzer are concerned. No, Mexico did not invade the US. But the illegals coming across the border commit all sorts of crimes from vandalism to auto theft. There is also the fact that many of those coming across are taken advantage of by those who smuggle them across. Whats the name of that channel ware Olberman is doing his show now ? Current TV ? There was a show on there ware at one crossing 100% of the woman who cross expect to be raped, and a good deal of the men get raped. To not do anything about those two crimes alone is just disgusting. The Race never addresses those coyote who do the smuggling and raping. No person should go through that. It needs to stop for humanitarian reasons.

 

[Angelhair]

Any idea who is up to the job of stopping the illegal crossings???? Mexico claims it is a free country and that its people can come and go as they please - and of course they can - but - why not try to better their plight in their country so that they DON'T have to leave??? Well, THEY would still leave! They want and dream about having what americans have! They DON'T want to wait. Most of them go back to their towns and brag about the 'riches en el norte'! They make these people believe that the dollars grow on trees and all one has to do is pluck them. These crossers know very well the dangers they will face but are either too dumb or too desperate to care. They have been deprived of 'things' for too long and they want it now. They have been kept in poverty and misery by those in power for years and just don't have what it takes to demand and sacrifice and force for changes to happen.

 

[José]

Originally posted by Angelhair
Mexico claims it is a free country and that its people can come and go as they please - and of course they can - but - why not try to better their plight in their country so that they DON'T have to leave???

Maybe because it's not within their power?

Because poverty is a complex phenomenon that countries cannot simply wish away?

America has been waging its own war on drugs for how long?

The country has now more than 12 million drug addicts.

So why do you blame Mexico for failing to erradicate poverty when America's campaign against drugs has proved to be every bit as unwinnable?

Angelhair: why not try to better their plight in their country so that they DON'T have to
leave??

Why ask when you already know the answer to your own question?

Angelhair: Well, THEY would still leave! They want and dream about having what americans have!



You're 100% right. The gap that exists between US and mexican wages is so huge that any marginal economic improvement in Mexico wouldn't have any significant impact on illegal immigration.

Why am I even answering these dim-witted questions?

Because I'm debating with a simpleton that hates a neighboring country that never chose to be so close to the USA and even lost half of its territory because of it?

Yeah... I think I might be onto something here.

 

[José]

You don't give a rat's ass about the poor in Mexico, Angelhair, otherwise you'd be complaining about poverty in Ethiopia, Sudan, etc...

All you care about is the negative side effects Mexico's underdevelopment has in America.

You point an accusatory finger at a country that should be the object of your compassion.

You represent the cruelest, meanest, absolute worst type of nationalism, Angelhair.

 

[LilOlLady]

Originally posted by Momanohedhunter
Not in Texas. They can be shot for trespassing.

Yep. But most ranchers just don't want them to destroy their fences so they even build ladders for them.

And clean up there trash, remove the carcases of the rustled cattle they kill, drive the the woman the coyote's gang raped to the hospitals, clean up there meth garbage, and they cant repair there fences because the Mexicans who cut them shoot the land owners. Oh, and then there are the dead bodies that are left behind to. The ranchers should not have to deal with them. We should do what your President does with illegals in his country. Send them back.

These people kill, rape, rob their own and leave then in the desert for us to clean up. American should not have to live with this from other countries. We go to war for less reasons.
Our government is broken and has been for many years and we are the one who can fix it by putting people in office that care. But they eventually will sell out also. What else can we do? Keep reporting illegal aliens every chance you get and contact your state and federal leaders. I send Obama at least one letter daily.

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

Any idea who is up to the job of stopping the illegal crossings???? Mexico claims it is a free country and that its people can come and go as they please - and of course they can - but - why not try to better their plight in their country so that they DON'T have to leave??? Well, THEY would still leave! They want and dream about having what americans have! They DON'T want to wait. Most of them go back to their towns and brag about the 'riches en el norte'! They make these people believe that the dollars grow on trees and all one has to do is pluck them. These crossers know very well the dangers they will face but are either too dumb or too desperate to care. They have been deprived of 'things' for too long and they want it now. They have been kept in poverty and misery by those in power for years and just don't have what it takes to demand and sacrifice and force for changes to happen.

We should station the troops we are supposed to be bringing home from afghanistan on the border with orders to stop all crossers, those who are unwilling to stop we force to stop.

 

[Angelhair]

Want to tell me how you REALLY feel Jose??? BTW, Mexico does NOT deserve compassion! They have to be the most corrupt of the corrupt!!! They take and take and take and give NOTHING back! They have been stealing from the american taxpayer for centuries and there is no end to it. Yes, I also blame our politicians for that one! They ask the USA for a hand and then they want a foot! There is no end to their selfishness and egotistical mentality. They are cry babies of the worst kind. There, now YOU can sue ME! If you ask me if I feel for the masses in Mexico - yes I do - but they don't get my respect for they have done NOTHING in years and years to ease their plight! So go insult someone who gives a darn. Which, btw, will get you nowhere.

 

[lehr]

in a news conference saturday, senator john mccain blamed the fires that have devastated arizona, burning through over 700,000 acres so far, on illegal immigrants, cnn reports. When asked how he could explain such record fires and how he would fix them, mccain said he was "concerned about the border." he said that illegal immigrants "set fires because they want to signal each other, they set fires to keep warm, and to divert law enforcement and agencies."

the senator said that "there is substantial evidence that some of these fires have been caused by people who have crossed our border illegally." he did not, however, offer any details of this "substantial" evidence. But he did use this claim as a platform to propose this solution to the fires: "the answer to that part of the problem is to get a secure border," he said.

john mccain blames arizona fires on illegal immigrants - national - the atlantic wire

communist mc cain destroyed his state with illegals and he got re-elected in a land slide = we get what we deserve

 

[Againsheila]

It's surprising that after many similar outrageous statements made by prominent american politicians (that weren't even highlighted in the media let alone generate a virulent national reaction as they should) so many people still find it necessary to turn Mexico into a scapegoat.

Human ability to blame their own failures on outside agents and factors does seem to know no boundaries.

Illegal aliens aren't all Mexicans, you racist.

 

[JWBooth]

In a news conference Saturday, Senator John McCain blamed the fires that have devastated Arizona, burning through over 700,000 acres so far, on illegal immigrants, CNN reports. When asked how he could explain such record fires and how he would fix them, McCain said he was "concerned about the border." He said that illegal immigrants "set fires because they want to signal each other, they set fires to keep warm, and to divert law enforcement and agencies."

The senator said that "there is substantial evidence that some of these fires have been caused by people who have crossed our border illegally." He did not, however, offer any details of this "substantial" evidence. But he did use this claim as a platform to propose this solution to the fires: "The answer to that part of the problem is to get a secure border," he said.

John McCain Blames Arizona Fires on Illegal Immigrants - National - The Atlantic Wire

That Juan McAmnesty, he's a real hoot aint he.

 

[waltky]

Granny says dem Hispexicans is tryin' to burn dis country to the ground...

GAO: Illegals Suspected of Igniting at Least 30 Wildfires Near Arizona-Mexico Border Between 2006 and 2010
November 23, 2011 – People crossing the U.S.-Mexico border illegally are suspected to have been responsible for at least 30 wildfires in Arizona between 2006 and 2010, according to the Government Accountability Office (GAO).

“Based on our review of agency investigation reports, illegal border crossers were a suspected cause of ignition for 30 of the 77 [federally] investigated wildland fires, or about 39 percent,” the GAO reported in an audit released Tuesday. Well over 1,000 acres were burned in the fires, which were all located within 40 miles of the U.S.-Mexico border. “Five of the 30 wildland fires in which illegal border crossers were a suspected cause burned less than 10 acres each, 16 burned from 10 to 100 acres each, and 9 burned more than 100 acres each,” the report stated. Investigation reports for 15 of the 30 wildfires did not cite the specific purpose for ignition while others “resulted from efforts to signal for help, provide warmth, or cook food.” However, “a couple of investigation reports for these fires noted that the area of ignition is known for drug smuggling,” the audit said. “For instance, the investigation report for the 2010 Horseshoe Fire, which burned about 3,400 acres, stated that evidence found during the investigation suggests that drug smugglers were in the area of ignition.”

The GAO also noted, as reported in an earlier audit, last December, that “illegal border crossers have been suspected of starting wildland fires either by accident – for example, from cooking fires that escape – or on purpose – for example, to divert law enforcement resources away from a particular area.” The new report said federal land management agencies spent $33 million to suppress human-attributed fires between 2006-2010 in the Arizona border region, and the state of Arizona almost $2 million. From 2006 through 2010, at least 2,467 wildland fires occurred in the Arizona border region, the GAO reported. Of these, 2,126 (about 86 percent) were human-caused, and 1,553 (about 63 percent) were ignited on federally managed or tribal land. Out of 422 of the fires that burned one or more acres on federal or tribal lands in that area over that time period, federal land management agencies only investigated 77, the GAO noted – a situation attributed by the agencies’ officials to a shortage of trained fire investigators.

As a result, the GAO concluded that “the frequency with which illegal border crossers have caused wildland fires on federal lands in the Arizona border region is not fully known.” The report said that the presence of illegal border crossers in the Arizona border region has complicated fire suppression activities. Federal agency officials had told the GAO that “the presence of illegal border crossers has increased concerns about firefighter safety and, in some instances, has required firefighters to change or limit the tactics they use in suppressing fires.” “For example, the presence of illegal border crossers has limited firefighting activities at night and complicated the use of aerial firefighting methods,” it said. “The agencies have taken some steps to mitigate the risks to firefighters by, for example, using law enforcement to provide security. “However, none of the agencies have developed or implemented a risk-based approach for addressing these challenges. Consequently, law enforcement resources are routinely dispatched to all fires regardless of the risk, which may prevent the agencies from using their limited resources most efficiently.”

Approximately 51 percent of the land along the 370-mile long Arizona-Mexico border region is managed by the federal government. “This independent GAO study again confirms what U.S. Forest Service and local officials in Arizona have long known: That some of the fires along the Arizona-Mexico border are caused by people crossing the border illegally,” Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), who requested the GAO study in July 2010, said in a statement responding to the report. “The report further found that firefighting activities have sometimes been delayed while waiting for law enforcement escorts as protection from armed smugglers, which could cause fires to grow larger and more damaging,” McCain said. “I hope this report is a lesson to the activists and public officials that would prefer to engage in partisan character attacks rather than help focus the discussion on the vital need secure our southern border.” McCain’s office also noted that the report did not take into account the 2011 fire season, “the worst in Arizona history.” Two fires – the Horseshoe Two and Monument fires – had together burned more than 250,000 acres near the Arizona-Mexico border, destroyed more than 60 homes and cost taxpayers at least $70 million in fire suppression costs, it said.

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