John Kerry: Unfit for Service

[regent]

Kerry repeated what the veterans had told him, but of course some would prefer to believe that things like Kerry told the Congress never happen, they know there was no My Lai, no incidents of any type that Kerry talked about.
Kerry had the guts to stand up and tell America and the Congress what he had heard and Kerry probably believed those kinds of things did indeed happen, and so do I.
Maybe with a Kerry as Secretary of State we might not have repeated Vietnam in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Our history is replete with our wars, but seldom are those quiet little diplomatic endeavors that removed the need for a war mentioned. But because of those quiet little diplomatic endeavors many lives that might have been cut short survived to an old age. Never mind the money.

 

[daveman]

John Kerry has never seen a weapons system that he liked.

Leadership

During his Senate career, Kerry has sponsored or cosponsored dozens of bills. Some of his notable bills have addressed small business concerns, education, terrorism, veterans' and Vietnam War POW/MIA issues, marine resource protection and other topics. Of those bills with his sponsorship, as of December 2004, 11 have been signed into law.

Kerry chaired the Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs from 1991 to 1993. The committee's report, which Kerry endorsed, stated there was "no compelling evidence that proves that any American remains alive in captivity in Southeast Asia."[80] In 1994 the Senate passed a resolution, sponsored by Kerry and fellow Vietnam veteran John McCain, that called for an end to the existing trade embargo against Vietnam; it was intended to pave the way for normalization.[81] In 1995, President Bill Clinton normalized diplomatic relations with the country of Vietnam.[82] His long-time senior Senate staff includes Chief of Staff David "Mac" McKean and Legislative Director George Abar.

And what does any of that have to do with Kerry repeatedly voting to weaken the military, you stupid motherfucker?

 

[daveman]

Kerry repeated what the veterans had told him, but of course some would prefer to believe that things like Kerry told the Congress never happen, they know there was no My Lai, no incidents of any type that Kerry talked about.
Kerry had the guts to stand up and tell America and the Congress what he had heard and Kerry probably believed those kinds of things did indeed happen, and so do I.
Maybe with a Kerry as Secretary of State we might not have repeated Vietnam in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Our history is replete with our wars, but seldom are those quiet little diplomatic endeavors that removed the need for a war mentioned. But because of those quiet little diplomatic endeavors many lives that might have been cut short survived to an old age. Never mind the money.

Yes, there were atrocities. No one's disputing that.

Yet Kerry felt the need to lie about it. Make shit up.

Why?

 

[daveman]

Of course, nobody's even attempting to dispute the claim that Kerry committed treason.

 

[Bigfoot]

John Kerry has never seen a weapons system that he liked.

Leadership

During his Senate career, Kerry has sponsored or cosponsored dozens of bills. Some of his notable bills have addressed small business concerns, education, terrorism, veterans' and Vietnam War POW/MIA issues, marine resource protection and other topics. Of those bills with his sponsorship, as of December 2004, 11 have been signed into law.

Kerry chaired the Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs from 1991 to 1993. The committee's report, which Kerry endorsed, stated there was "no compelling evidence that proves that any American remains alive in captivity in Southeast Asia."[80] In 1994 the Senate passed a resolution, sponsored by Kerry and fellow Vietnam veteran John McCain, that called for an end to the existing trade embargo against Vietnam; it was intended to pave the way for normalization.[81] In 1995, President Bill Clinton normalized diplomatic relations with the country of Vietnam.[82] His long-time senior Senate staff includes Chief of Staff David "Mac" McKean and Legislative Director George Abar.

Kerry is a pussy.

 

[PhineasTBluster]

John Kerry is, by his own actions, not qualified to serve as Sec of State. One must remember that the United States was screwd enough to never declare war on North Vietnam or the Viet Cong. It was a conflict. I don't believe that what Kerry did was treasonous because of this. Had it been a declared war, he would have been prosecuted. He knew this when he did it.

To be in a position to be pinning medals on our military heroes when you threw yours away would be ruinous to the morale of our fighting men and women. He should never be nominated and if he is he should not get Senate approval.

 

[Lakhota]

John Kerry is, by his own actions, not qualified to serve as Sec of State. One must remember that the United States was screwd enough to never declare war on North Vietnam or the Viet Cong. It was a conflict. I don't believe that what Kerry did was treasonous because of this. Had it been a declared war, he would have been prosecuted. He knew this when he did it.

To be in a position to be pinning medals on our military heroes when you threw yours away would be ruinous to the morale of our fighting men and women. He should never be nominated and if he is he should not get Senate approval.

That's hilarious considering AWOL Bush became president - even though he was never "elected" either time.

 

[regent]

The morale of our fighting men and women, medals? Don't you realize that some of the fighting men's morale had been damaged by atrocities committed by others during Vietnam? That may have even cheapened the medals. Why did they throw their medals or facsimilies away, was throwing the medals away not some kind of a morale signal?
Questionable wars, questionable deeds, can be destroyers of morale. If we go to war it should be for valid reasons, valid motives, not political, not for a president to go down in the history books, not as a way to unite the nation.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Anyone can Google "u.s. atrocities in vietnam"...

when i Google Racist assholes.....how come your name is on the list?.........

 

[Article 15]

Kerry as SecDef would be a slap in the face to all the military, but most especially to Vietnam veterans, whom Kerry knowingly lied about in testimony to Congress.

WinterSoldier.com - Newly Discovered Army Reports Discredit "Winter Soldier" Claims

From March 13-16, 2008, members of the antiwar group Iraq Veterans Against the War (IVAW) will gather in Washington, DC to "testify" against the US military at a protest event called Winter Soldier: Iraq & Afghanistan. The name "Winter Soldier" is taken from the infamous 1971 event at which members of the Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW) related gruesome stories of crimes they claimed to have participated in or witnessed. The VVAW insisted that rape, torture and murder were standard practices for the US military in Vietnam. Organizers of the new IVAW tribunal, which is supported by several former VVAW leaders, say the 1971 conference was where "a courageous group of veterans exposed the criminal nature of the Vietnam War." In reality, it was part of a sophisticated, vicious propaganda effort designed to poison public opinion against the US military. Newly discovered records now reveal what happened when Army investigators asked VVAW activists for evidence of the hundreds of crimes they claimed to have seen.

In our book, To Set The Record Straight: How Swift Boat Veterans, POWs and the New Media Defeated John Kerry, Tim Ziegler and I trace the course of the anti-US war crimes propaganda campaign, which began in Europe with KGB-sponsored events that were organized before the first US ground troops ever arrived in Vietnam. In 1969, leaders of those conferences helped American radicals form the "Citizens Commission of Inquiry into US War Crimes in Indochina" (CCI), which set up a series of so-called investigations where US military actions in Vietnam were compared to those of Nazi Germany during World War II. The CCI soon joined forces with the VVAW, another leftist group created with financing and assistance from members of the Communist Party, USA, the Socialist Workers Party and the communist front Veterans for Peace.

The VVAW's Winter Soldier Investigation (WSI) took place in Detroit from Jan. 31 through Feb. 2, 1971. Financed primarily by pro-Hanoi actress Jane Fonda, the event's honorary national coordinator, WSI was the largest war crimes tribunal held in the US during the Vietnam War. Several of the discussion panel moderators were radical leaders who had previously met with top North Vietnamese and Vietcong representatives in Hanoi and Paris. Also present were leftist psychiatrists, psychoanalysts and clinicians, who pressured the witnesses to help end the war by publicly confessing their "crimes." Former VVAW member Steve Pitkin later recalled how the civilians went from man to man, "bombarding them; laying on the guilt." Pitkin signed an affidavit in 2004 charging that John Kerry and other VVAW leaders had coerced him into making a false statement.

WSI was the source of the allegations John Kerry presented to the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations in April 1971, at a hearing set up by antiwar Senators to showcase the VVAW's atrocity tales. The highly publicized appearance launched Kerry's political career and helped to create a lasting image of Vietnam veterans as drugged-out murderers too damaged to function in normal society. Justice was served in 2004 when a political movement led by some of the veterans John Kerry had defamed sank his presidential bid.

Investigating the winter soldiers

In 2005, I visited the National Archives at College Park, Maryland with Vietnam veteran and researcher John Boyle. Sifting through the limited material available, we found summary data for the WSI allegations the Army had investigated. The Army's Criminal Investigative Division (CID) had opened cases for 43 WSI "witnesses" whose claims, if true, would qualify as crimes. An additional 25 Army WSI participants had criticized the military in general terms, without sufficient substance to warrant any investigation.

The 43 WSI CID cases were eventually resolved as follows: 25 WSI participants refused to cooperate, 13 provided information but failed to support the allegations, and five could not be located. No criminal charges were filed as a result of any of the investigations. The individual CID case files, which had been available to the public beginning in 1994, were withdrawn from public access around 2003, when the National Archives realized that the documents should have been embargoed until the personal information they contained could be removed, or "redacted," as required by the Privacy Act of 1974.

Early in 2007, Boyle learned that a historian had copied the entire collection of CID war crime investigation summaries at the National Archives, including those involving the VVAW, while they were still publicly available. The historian permitted Boyle to photocopy these documents, which we have now posted at WinterSoldier.com:

Army CID Investigations of VVAW War Crimes Allegations

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Some of you may object by saying that the military would whitewash any wrongdoing.

Not so.

The military had a very good reason to be thorough: Public relations. They would not want to give the impression that atrocities were officially sanctioned.

The Communist stooges on the left, however, had national attention, and used it. Of course, they had to resort to lies, but they have no compunction against lying.

The Winter Soldiers lied. Kerry lied.

This is undeniable.

Shut the fuck up. You sure as fuck don't speak for "all of the military" and especially not "Vietnam veterans".

 

[Plasmaball]

Seriously? This was old back in 04...I seriously hate you.

 

[JoeB131]

And you can't see the irony in you trusting that same untrustworthy government with your healthcare and all your life decisions.

Never said I did.

But after having an insurance company in search of larger profits run roughshod through my life because they balked at paying for claims after I had paid my premiums, the government can't do it any worse.

People on Medicare are a lot more satisfied with their service than people with private insurance, for some reason.

 

[JoeB131]

Of course, nobody's even attempting to dispute the claim that Kerry committed treason.

Because the claim is so retarded it's laughable...

Dave, most people here realize you're crazy, and we are just humoring you...

 

[Lumpy 1]

Seriously? This was old back in 04...I seriously hate you.

...

...poor little puss...

 

[daveman]

Kerry as SecDef would be a slap in the face to all the military, but most especially to Vietnam veterans, whom Kerry knowingly lied about in testimony to Congress.

WinterSoldier.com - Newly Discovered Army Reports Discredit "Winter Soldier" Claims

From March 13-16, 2008, members of the antiwar group Iraq Veterans Against the War (IVAW) will gather in Washington, DC to "testify" against the US military at a protest event called Winter Soldier: Iraq & Afghanistan. The name "Winter Soldier" is taken from the infamous 1971 event at which members of the Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW) related gruesome stories of crimes they claimed to have participated in or witnessed. The VVAW insisted that rape, torture and murder were standard practices for the US military in Vietnam. Organizers of the new IVAW tribunal, which is supported by several former VVAW leaders, say the 1971 conference was where "a courageous group of veterans exposed the criminal nature of the Vietnam War." In reality, it was part of a sophisticated, vicious propaganda effort designed to poison public opinion against the US military. Newly discovered records now reveal what happened when Army investigators asked VVAW activists for evidence of the hundreds of crimes they claimed to have seen.

In our book, To Set The Record Straight: How Swift Boat Veterans, POWs and the New Media Defeated John Kerry, Tim Ziegler and I trace the course of the anti-US war crimes propaganda campaign, which began in Europe with KGB-sponsored events that were organized before the first US ground troops ever arrived in Vietnam. In 1969, leaders of those conferences helped American radicals form the "Citizens Commission of Inquiry into US War Crimes in Indochina" (CCI), which set up a series of so-called investigations where US military actions in Vietnam were compared to those of Nazi Germany during World War II. The CCI soon joined forces with the VVAW, another leftist group created with financing and assistance from members of the Communist Party, USA, the Socialist Workers Party and the communist front Veterans for Peace.

The VVAW's Winter Soldier Investigation (WSI) took place in Detroit from Jan. 31 through Feb. 2, 1971. Financed primarily by pro-Hanoi actress Jane Fonda, the event's honorary national coordinator, WSI was the largest war crimes tribunal held in the US during the Vietnam War. Several of the discussion panel moderators were radical leaders who had previously met with top North Vietnamese and Vietcong representatives in Hanoi and Paris. Also present were leftist psychiatrists, psychoanalysts and clinicians, who pressured the witnesses to help end the war by publicly confessing their "crimes." Former VVAW member Steve Pitkin later recalled how the civilians went from man to man, "bombarding them; laying on the guilt." Pitkin signed an affidavit in 2004 charging that John Kerry and other VVAW leaders had coerced him into making a false statement.

WSI was the source of the allegations John Kerry presented to the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations in April 1971, at a hearing set up by antiwar Senators to showcase the VVAW's atrocity tales. The highly publicized appearance launched Kerry's political career and helped to create a lasting image of Vietnam veterans as drugged-out murderers too damaged to function in normal society. Justice was served in 2004 when a political movement led by some of the veterans John Kerry had defamed sank his presidential bid.

Investigating the winter soldiers

In 2005, I visited the National Archives at College Park, Maryland with Vietnam veteran and researcher John Boyle. Sifting through the limited material available, we found summary data for the WSI allegations the Army had investigated. The Army's Criminal Investigative Division (CID) had opened cases for 43 WSI "witnesses" whose claims, if true, would qualify as crimes. An additional 25 Army WSI participants had criticized the military in general terms, without sufficient substance to warrant any investigation.

The 43 WSI CID cases were eventually resolved as follows: 25 WSI participants refused to cooperate, 13 provided information but failed to support the allegations, and five could not be located. No criminal charges were filed as a result of any of the investigations. The individual CID case files, which had been available to the public beginning in 1994, were withdrawn from public access around 2003, when the National Archives realized that the documents should have been embargoed until the personal information they contained could be removed, or "redacted," as required by the Privacy Act of 1974.

Early in 2007, Boyle learned that a historian had copied the entire collection of CID war crime investigation summaries at the National Archives, including those involving the VVAW, while they were still publicly available. The historian permitted Boyle to photocopy these documents, which we have now posted at WinterSoldier.com:

Army CID Investigations of VVAW War Crimes Allegations

​

Some of you may object by saying that the military would whitewash any wrongdoing.

Not so.

The military had a very good reason to be thorough: Public relations. They would not want to give the impression that atrocities were officially sanctioned.

The Communist stooges on the left, however, had national attention, and used it. Of course, they had to resort to lies, but they have no compunction against lying.

The Winter Soldiers lied. Kerry lied.

This is undeniable.

Shut the fuck up. You sure as fuck don't speak for "all of the military" and especially not "Vietnam veterans".

Eat shit, boy. Just because you're too stupid to know you've been lied to doesn't mean everyone is.

Dumbass.

 

[daveman]

Seriously? This was old back in 04...I seriously hate you.

Well, aren't you just a little pussy?

 

[daveman]

And you can't see the irony in you trusting that same untrustworthy government with your healthcare and all your life decisions.

Never said I did.

But after having an insurance company in search of larger profits run roughshod through my life because they balked at paying for claims after I had paid my premiums, the government can't do it any worse.

People on Medicare are a lot more satisfied with their service than people with private insurance, for some reason.

Oh, you mean the same government that let people drown in Jersey? That shut down its FEMA office due to bad weather?

That government?

Fool.

 

[Truthmatters]

this is how the right in this country honors war heros.



They only honor them IF they are republicans and agree with the tea party stance and once they get home they dont give a rats ass about them.

They place party over country and even our war heros.

 

[L.K.Eder]

nice tantrum by lameman

 

[Article 15]

nice tantrum by lameman

You're guy won so thats all that matters.

*shakes brush, just misses poodle*