John F. Kennedy...Address to the Economic Club of New York

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Listen to the speech. Sound more like Romney or Obama. Don't just read the excerpt here? You won't get the full message.



American Rhetoric: John F. Kennedy - Address to the Economic Club of New York

The final and best means of strengthening demand among consumers and business is to reduce the burden on private income and the deterrents to private initiative which are imposed by our present tax system — and this administration pledged itself last summer to an across-the-board, top-to-bottom cut in personal and corporate income taxes to be enacted and become effective in 1963.


I'm not talking about a "quickie" or a temporary tax cut, which would be more appropriate if a recession were imminent. Nor am I talking about giving the economy a mere shot in the arm, to ease some temporary complaint. I am talking about the accumulated evidence of the last five years that our present tax system, developed as it was, in good part, during World War II to restrain growth, exerts too heavy a drag on growth in peace time; that it siphons out of the private economy too large a share of personal and business purchasing power; that it reduces the financial incenitives [sic] for personal effort, investment, and risk-taking. In short, to increase demand and lift the economy, the federal government's most useful role is not to rush into a program of excessive increases in public expenditures, but to expand the incentives and opportunities for private expenditures.

Under these circumstances, any new tax legislation — and you can understand that under the comity which exists in the United States Constitution whereby the Ways and Means Committee in the House of Representatives have the responsibility of initiating this legislation, that the details of any proposal should wait on the meeting of the Congress in January. But you can understand that, under these circumstances, in general, that any new tax legislation enacted next year should meet the following three tests:
First, it should reduce the net taxes by a sufficiently early date and a sufficiently large amount to do the job required. Early action could give us extra leverage, added results, and important insurance against recession. Too large a tax cut, of course, could result in inflation and insufficient future revenues — but the greater danger is a tax cut too little, or too late, to be effective.

Second, the new tax bill must increase private consumption, as well as investment. Consumers are still spending between 92 and 94 percent on their after-tax income, as they have every year since 1950. But that after-tax income could and should be greater, providing stronger markets for the products of American industry. When consumers purchase more goods, plants use more of their capacity, men are hired instead of laid-off, investment increases, and profits are high.

Corporate tax rates must also be cut to increase incentives and the availability of investment capital. The government has already taken major steps this year to reduce business tax liability and to stimulate the modernization, replacement, and expansion of our productive plant and equipment. We have done this through the 1962 investment tax credit and through the liberalization of depreciation allowances — two essential parts of our first step in tax revision — which amounted to a ten percent reduction in corporate income taxes worth 2.5 billion dollars. Now we need to increase consumer demand to make these measures fully effective — demand which will make more use of existing capacity and thus increase both profits and the incentive to invest. In fact, profits after taxes would be at least 15 percent higher today if we were operating at full employment.

For all these reasons, next year's tax bill should reduce personal as well as corporate income taxes: for those in the lower brackets, who are certain to spend their additional take-home pay, and for those in the middle and upper brackets, who can thereby be encouraged to undertake additional efforts and enabled to invest more capital.
 
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JFK was the first Neoconservative POTUS.

If you listen to the whole thing you would be hearing Romney not the Socialist in Chief that hijacked the Democrat Party.

His tax policy is aligned with what Romney is advocating.

And I don't even like the Kennedys as some found out this morning on another thread.
 
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Listen to the speech. Sound more like Romney or Obama. Don't just read the excerpt here? You won't get the full message.



American Rhetoric: John F. Kennedy - Address to the Economic Club of New York
Funny how the CON$ervoFascist Brotherhood never quotes this part!

"Surely the lesson of the last decade is that budget deficits are not caused by wild-eyed spenders"


EddietheDeflector is here. :clap2: Do you ever address DIRECTLY what a thread is about or do you always do what you did twice when discussing the BLS? Remember how you twice changed the intent of threads from the actual numbers to endless posts about retirees? Talk about annoying.
 
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Listen to the speech. Sound more like Romney or Obama. Don't just read the excerpt here? You won't get the full message.



American Rhetoric: John F. Kennedy - Address to the Economic Club of New York
Funny how the CON$ervoFascist Brotherhood never quotes this part!

"Surely the lesson of the last decade is that budget deficits are not caused by wild-eyed spenders"


EddietheDeflector is here. :clap2:
Obviously I struck a nerve, the line is directly from the speech you cite and link to. How exactly is that a deflection???
 
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Funny how the CON$ervoFascist Brotherhood never quotes this part!

"Surely the lesson of the last decade is that budget deficits are not caused by wild-eyed spenders"


EddietheDeflector is here. :clap2:
Obviously I struck a nerve, the line is directly from the speech you cite and link to. How exactly is that a deflection???


I asked who it sounded like and the comparison to the two people running. You pick one line and run with your "neo, Conservo, whatever" bullshit. 99.9 % of it is more in line with Romney's policies. Don't even reply. I'm not wasting any time on you. You do the same thing to every thread. Have a nice evening.:eusa_hand:
 
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EddietheDeflector is here. :clap2:
Obviously I struck a nerve, the line is directly from the speech you cite and link to. How exactly is that a deflection???


I asked who it sounded like and the comparison to the two people running. You pick one line and run with your "neo, Conservo, whatever" bullshit. 99.9 % of it is more in line with Romney's policies.
That part I quoted does not sound like any Republican running for office, and neither does this quote, "Too large a tax cut, of course, could result in inflation and insufficient future revenues"

I think Kennedy would think a tax cut to the levels we have today would be "too large" as our deficits have proven, so therefore Willard's additional 20% would be overkill!
 
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You will recall that Chairman Khrushchev has said that he believed that the hinge of world history would begin to move when the Soviet Union out-produced the United States. Therefore, the subject to which we address ourselves tonight concerns not merely our own well-being, but also very vitally the defense of the free world.
China just this year began to out-produce the United States.
 
Obviously I struck a nerve, the line is directly from the speech you cite and link to. How exactly is that a deflection???


I asked who it sounded like and the comparison to the two people running. You pick one line and run with your "neo, Conservo, whatever" bullshit. 99.9 % of it is more in line with Romney's policies.
That part I quoted does not sound like any Republican running for office, and neither does this quote, "Too large a tax cut, of course, could result in inflation and insufficient future revenues"

I think Kennedy would think a tax cut to the levels we have today would be "too large" as our deficits have proven, so therefore Willard's additional 20% would be overkill!


See what I mean. Did I or did I not say LISTEN to the whole thing? You're going to pick and choose what fits what you want the thread to be about. Feel free to discuss it with anyone that wants to.
 
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I asked who it sounded like and the comparison to the two people running. You pick one line and run with your "neo, Conservo, whatever" bullshit. 99.9 % of it is more in line with Romney's policies.
That part I quoted does not sound like any Republican running for office, and neither does this quote, "Too large a tax cut, of course, could result in inflation and insufficient future revenues"

I think Kennedy would think a tax cut to the levels we have today would be "too large" as our deficits have proven, so therefore Willard's additional 20% would be overkill!


See what I mean. Did I or did I not say LISTEN to the whole thing? You're going to pick and choose what fits what you want the thread to be about. Feel free to discuss it with anyone that wants to.
And what I am simply doing is following your advice and posting the parts you left out from the whole thing.

The part I liked best was this, "Consumers are still spending between 92 and 94 percent on their after-tax income, as they have every year since 1950. But that after-tax income could and should be greater, providing stronger markets for the products of American industry. When consumers purchase more goods, plants use more of their capacity, men are hired instead of laid-off, investment increases, and profits are high." which supports MY tax plan which is different from both Parties.

As I have always said, the GOP always cut the WRONG taxes for economic growth, as time always proves, and therefore Bush's tax cuts should be replaced DOLLAR FOR DOLLAR with cuts in the payroll tax for both employer and employee.
A cut in the payroll tax immediately gives each American worker a regular and permanent increase in take home pay thus increasing demand without costing the employer a single penny. It also cuts the cost of labor for those businesses that employ Americans without cutting or outsourcing a single job. It also rewards most those businesses that employ the most Americans, exactly the group of people you would want to reward most!!!!!
 
JFK would be a Republican today. He wouldn't recognize the Democratic party. Hell, George McGovern doesn't recognize the Democratic Party.
 
JFK would be a Republican today. He wouldn't recognize the Democratic party. Hell, George McGovern doesn't recognize the Democratic Party.
Bullshit!
But by that same "logic" ST Ronnie would have gone back to being a Democrat today.
 
JFK was more liberal than Obama or Clinton, accounting for the different eras.

Remember, LBJ's social agenda, Medicare, Medicaid, etc., was JFK's to begin with.
 
Listen to the speech. Sound more like Romney or Obama. Don't just read the excerpt here? You won't get the full message.



American Rhetoric: John F. Kennedy - Address to the Economic Club of New York

The final and best means of strengthening demand among consumers and business is to reduce the burden on private income and the deterrents to private initiative which are imposed by our present tax system — and this administration pledged itself last summer to an across-the-board, top-to-bottom cut in personal and corporate income taxes to be enacted and become effective in 1963.


I'm not talking about a "quickie" or a temporary tax cut, which would be more appropriate if a recession were imminent. Nor am I talking about giving the economy a mere shot in the arm, to ease some temporary complaint. I am talking about the accumulated evidence of the last five years that our present tax system, developed as it was, in good part, during World War II to restrain growth, exerts too heavy a drag on growth in peace time; that it siphons out of the private economy too large a share of personal and business purchasing power; that it reduces the financial incenitives [sic] for personal effort, investment, and risk-taking. In short, to increase demand and lift the economy, the federal government's most useful role is not to rush into a program of excessive increases in public expenditures, but to expand the incentives and opportunities for private expenditures.

Under these circumstances, any new tax legislation — and you can understand that under the comity which exists in the United States Constitution whereby the Ways and Means Committee in the House of Representatives have the responsibility of initiating this legislation, that the details of any proposal should wait on the meeting of the Congress in January. But you can understand that, under these circumstances, in general, that any new tax legislation enacted next year should meet the following three tests:
First, it should reduce the net taxes by a sufficiently early date and a sufficiently large amount to do the job required. Early action could give us extra leverage, added results, and important insurance against recession. Too large a tax cut, of course, could result in inflation and insufficient future revenues — but the greater danger is a tax cut too little, or too late, to be effective.

Second, the new tax bill must increase private consumption, as well as investment. Consumers are still spending between 92 and 94 percent on their after-tax income, as they have every year since 1950. But that after-tax income could and should be greater, providing stronger markets for the products of American industry. When consumers purchase more goods, plants use more of their capacity, men are hired instead of laid-off, investment increases, and profits are high.

Corporate tax rates must also be cut to increase incentives and the availability of investment capital. The government has already taken major steps this year to reduce business tax liability and to stimulate the modernization, replacement, and expansion of our productive plant and equipment. We have done this through the 1962 investment tax credit and through the liberalization of depreciation allowances — two essential parts of our first step in tax revision — which amounted to a ten percent reduction in corporate income taxes worth 2.5 billion dollars. Now we need to increase consumer demand to make these measures fully effective — demand which will make more use of existing capacity and thus increase both profits and the incentive to invest. In fact, profits after taxes would be at least 15 percent higher today if we were operating at full employment.

For all these reasons, next year's tax bill should reduce personal as well as corporate income taxes: for those in the lower brackets, who are certain to spend their additional take-home pay, and for those in the middle and upper brackets, who can thereby be encouraged to undertake additional efforts and enabled to invest more capital.

So are you making an argument that we should go back to the tax rates that JFK wanted?
 
JFK would be a Republican today. He wouldn't recognize the Democratic party. Hell, George McGovern doesn't recognize the Democratic Party.
Bullshit!
But by that same "logic" ST Ronnie would have gone back to being a Democrat today.

They try to run in that myth all the time. Conservatives simply can't be honest.

Read it for yourself. Or get an adult to do it. Romney's platform sounds very similar to what Kennedy was saying. The old Dems would not recognize the radical socialists we have in power today.
 
Bullshit!
But by that same "logic" ST Ronnie would have gone back to being a Democrat today.

They try to run in that myth all the time. Conservatives simply can't be honest.

Read it for yourself. Or get an adult to do it. Romney's platform sounds very similar to what Kennedy was saying. The old Dems would not recognize the radical socialists we have in power today.

How about YOU read Kennedy's New Frontier and tell us how much of the modern day GOP you see in it:


For starters:

The Kennedy Administration pushed an economic stimulus program through congress in an effort to kick-start the American economy following an economic downturn. On February 2, 1961, Kennedy sent a comprehensive Economic Message to Congress which had been in preparation for several weeks. The legislative proposals put forward in this message included:[6]


1.The addition of a temporary thirteen-week supplement to jobless benefits,
2.The extension of aid to the children of unemployed workers,
3.The redevelopment of distressed areas,
4.An increase in Social Security payments and the encouragement of earlier retirement,
5.An increase in the minimum wage and an extension in coverage,
6.The provision of emergency relief to feed grain farmers, and
7.The financing of a comprehensive homebuilding and slum clearance program.


Keep reading HERE:

New Frontier - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Bullshit!
But by that same "logic" ST Ronnie would have gone back to being a Democrat today.

They try to run in that myth all the time. Conservatives simply can't be honest.

Read it for yourself. Or get an adult to do it. Romney's platform sounds very similar to what Kennedy was saying. The old Dems would not recognize the radical socialists we have in power today.


I see you get it while our "friends" here need to convolute it into what they want it to say. This is not the Democrat Party. It's a hijacked , distorted and mutant version of it filled with vitriol and hatred for anyone that doesn't march to their beat. We see it in Washington and we see it first hand here on this board. They pretend to be for the middle class while the only solution they ever have is to tax, tax and tax again. Meanwhile those taxes fall on the very group they claim to be fighting for.


Ryan explained it beautifully how raising taxes on the rich won't generate enough income yet they persist with that smokescreen because it makes a great sound-byte. They are the party of delusional hypocrites with an agenda that they themselves don't understand the repercussions of...or don't want to understand.
 

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