John Bolton on the the greatest misconceptions that Democrats have about Republicans.

[daveman]

John Bolton and the rest of republicans have these ridiculous notions about government and diplomacy. On one hand they want a government "small" enough to let American states govern themselves. But on the other hand they want a Pax Americana that establishes the kind of government every other nation on the planet is "allowed" to have by the United States. These are disparate agendas and completely unworkable.

Why do you have to lie so much?

Oh, yeah -- you're a leftist. Kerry on.

 

[Dragon]

Indeed. But it wasn't statists or progressives or modern liberals.

As modern liberals didn't exist yet, this is true.

Actually, conservatives don't believe in liberty at all. They're able to say they do, only because it's possible to achieve a net reduction in liberty by increasing the liberty of powerful private organizations and individuals to squash liberty in others.

Basically, conservatives value "big government" where the task of squashing liberty is best handled by government, and don't like "big government" in areas where that task is better handled by private business. It's a different take on the idea of government doing what we can't do as well for (or to) ourselves, but otherwise leaving things in private hands.

Thus, when it comes to slaughtering wogs, putting drug users (especially poor and black ones) in prison, or shutting down potentially subversive Internet sites, conservatives want the government to take strong action; there's little profit in these things and private business can't be relied on to take care of them. But when it comes to making people work long hours for little reward, subjecting communities to dangerous products, or smashing small-business competitors of big corporations into the dirt, conservatives quite rightly and sensibly leave this in private hands, except maybe occasionally providing a little assistance from the government in a helping-hand sort of way.

It's a myth that conservatives consistently oppose big government. That's what libertarians do, not conservatives. What conservatives consistently oppose is freedom.

 

[bripat9643]

John Bolton makes a good guest on a rightwing radio show. He dishes out what they want to hear

He makes a horrible diplomat and puts the US in a bad negotiating position. He is arrogant and dismissive which makes him a hero to the right but is disliked and distrusted by those he is negotiating with

The liberal theory that groveling before our enemies puts us in a "good negotiating position" is too absurd for words. It only puts us in a convenient position to receive a swift kick in the ass.

 

[bripat9643]

John Bolton and the rest of republicans have these ridiculous notions about government and diplomacy. On one hand they want a government "small" enough to let American states govern themselves. But on the other hand they want a Pax Americana that establishes the kind of government every other nation on the planet is "allowed" to have by the United States. These are disparate agendas and completely unworkable.

ROFL! Didn't Obama just recently spew all kinds of blather about what kind of government Egypt and Libya should have? And didn't he use bombs to enforce his opinion?

Is it possible for you to submit two posts in succession without resorting to the grossest hypocrisies?

 

[dblack]

John Bolton makes a good guest on a rightwing radio show. He dishes out what they want to hear

He makes a horrible diplomat and puts the US in a bad negotiating position. He is arrogant and dismissive which makes him a hero to the right but is disliked and distrusted by those he is negotiating with

The liberal theory that groveling before our enemies puts us in a "good negotiating position" is too absurd for words. It only puts us in a convenient position to receive a swift kick in the ass.

Yeah, arrogant and dismissive is the way to go. Gotta show 'em we don't give fuck what they think! That's the mark of righteous strength. It's the way to earn real respect.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Posted by The Right Scoop on Dec 12, 2011 in Politics | 57 Comments
When John Bolton was asked the question of what he thought was the greatest misconception that Democrats have about Republicans, I honestly didn’t expect such a brilliantly deep answer. I guess I’ve gotten used to fluff. But Bolton hit it out of the park and I just had to start the day with it:


video and comments at site.

Bolton said..

“The core misimpression is that a fundamental belief in liberty and it’s implications is somehow cruel and uncaring. When in fact, liberty is absolutely central to the most massive economic change in the history of the world that has brought more concrete material advantages to people in the last few hundred years than in millennia before that. And that understanding liberty means you have to value the possibility of failure as well as the possibility of success. Because if you don’t have failure as an option, you’ll never have success as an option.

It’s not lack of compassion that drives many Republican policy preferences, it’s a belief in the inherent importance of individual self-worth and not being dependent on external factors like the government.”

from with comments..
John Bolton on the greatest misconception that Democrats have about Republicans | The Right Scoop

The biggest misconception Republicans have is that somehow liberty is a value that only applies to their party

At least you are consistent.

Can you provide a single example of Republicans wanting to throw every Democrat into jail?

 

[Stephanie]

John Bolton makes a good guest on a rightwing radio show. He dishes out what they want to hear

He makes a horrible diplomat and puts the US in a bad negotiating position. He is arrogant and dismissive which makes him a hero to the right but is disliked and distrusted by those he is negotiating with

The liberal theory that groveling before our enemies puts us in a "good negotiating position" is too absurd for words. It only puts us in a convenient position to receive a swift kick in the ass.

Yeah, arrogant and dismissive is the way to go. Gotta show 'em we don't give fuck what they think! That's the mark of righteous strength. It's the way to earn real respect.

Naaa, we should be wishy washy like Carter so a country like IRAN can hold our hostages for almost TWO YEARS. Or like Clinton with Bin laden. so that he could come back and implement ANOTHER world trade center bombing on us..

 

[Quantum Windbag]

It’s not lack of compassion that drives many Republican policy preferences, it’s a belief in the inherent importance of individual self-worth and not being dependent on external factors like the government.”

And?

No one disagrees with this, particularly democrats and progressives. It would seem the misconception belongs to the republicans.

What the right fails to understand is that liberals and progressives don’t adhere blindly to political dogma – a pragmatic approach is always best.

The fact is for millions of Americans ‘competition’ is simply not an option, for reasons of age or health, for example. And there’s no point in a civilized society to allow those who fail to be left to die and rot on the roadside.

Conservatives would be well-advised to come out of their fantasy dream-world from time to time and experience reality and the truth. It can’t do them any harm.

Aren't you the guy that keeps trying to pretend he is a lawyer? Did you give that up and decide to become Al Sharpton?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

This country gained it's liberty despite the efforts of conservatives who remained loyal to the king

The latest victory for liberty came during the civil rights movement where conservatives fought for states rights and against "big government"

Correct.

Since 1954 progressives have been fighting to gain and protect the civil liberties of Americans and restrict government preemption of rights, mostly with regard to state and local governments’ efforts to violate citizens’ rights. And every step of the way those efforts were opposed by conservatives, in violation of the Constitution and rule of law.

Do you really want me to take the time to tear this apart? Are you aware that progressives champion the war on drugs because it helps people make good choices? Are you aware that said war on drugs has resulted in a net decrease in civil liberties?

 

[dblack]

The liberal theory that groveling before our enemies puts us in a "good negotiating position" is too absurd for words. It only puts us in a convenient position to receive a swift kick in the ass.

Yeah, arrogant and dismissive is the way to go. Gotta show 'em we don't give fuck what they think! That's the mark of righteous strength. It's the way to earn real respect.

Naaa, we should be wishy washy like Carter so a country like IRAN can hold our hostages for almost TWO YEARS. Or like Clinton with Bin laden. so that he could come back and implement ANOTHER world trade center bombing on us..

Yep. Those are the only two choices we have.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Posted by The Right Scoop on Dec 12, 2011 in Politics | 57 Comments
When John Bolton was asked the question of what he thought was the greatest misconception that Democrats have about Republicans, I honestly didn’t expect such a brilliantly deep answer. I guess I’ve gotten used to fluff. But Bolton hit it out of the park and I just had to start the day with it:


video and comments at site.

Bolton said..

“The core misimpression is that a fundamental belief in liberty and it’s implications is somehow cruel and uncaring. When in fact, liberty is absolutely central to the most massive economic change in the history of the world that has brought more concrete material advantages to people in the last few hundred years than in millennia before that. And that understanding liberty means you have to value the possibility of failure as well as the possibility of success. Because if you don’t have failure as an option, you’ll never have success as an option.

It’s not lack of compassion that drives many Republican policy preferences, it’s a belief in the inherent importance of individual self-worth and not being dependent on external factors like the government.”

from with comments..
John Bolton on the greatest misconception that Democrats have about Republicans | The Right Scoop

LOL! What a big strawman Bolton defeated.

It says a lot that he didn't address the factual pedophile tendencies of Republicans and instead went to war with a strawman.

What about the pedophiles in Hollywood? When are Democrats going to go after them?

 

[daveman]

Indeed. But it wasn't statists or progressives or modern liberals.

As modern liberals didn't exist yet, this is true.

Actually, conservatives don't believe in liberty at all.

When you start with a falsehood, everything that follows may be immediately dismissed.

 

[daveman]

John Bolton makes a good guest on a rightwing radio show. He dishes out what they want to hear

He makes a horrible diplomat and puts the US in a bad negotiating position. He is arrogant and dismissive which makes him a hero to the right but is disliked and distrusted by those he is negotiating with

The liberal theory that groveling before our enemies puts us in a "good negotiating position" is too absurd for words. It only puts us in a convenient position to receive a swift kick in the ass.

But we DESERVE it! /leftist mode

 

[daveman]

John Bolton makes a good guest on a rightwing radio show. He dishes out what they want to hear

He makes a horrible diplomat and puts the US in a bad negotiating position. He is arrogant and dismissive which makes him a hero to the right but is disliked and distrusted by those he is negotiating with

The liberal theory that groveling before our enemies puts us in a "good negotiating position" is too absurd for words. It only puts us in a convenient position to receive a swift kick in the ass.

Yeah, arrogant and dismissive is the way to go. Gotta show 'em we don't give fuck what they think! That's the mark of righteous strength. It's the way to earn real respect.

News flash: They're never going to respect us. They stick their hands out demanding foreign aid, thinking they deserve it, and still hate us when we give it to them.

This isn't kindergarten. We're not all going to get along.

 

[daveman]

Posted by The Right Scoop on Dec 12, 2011 in Politics | 57 Comments
When John Bolton was asked the question of what he thought was the greatest misconception that Democrats have about Republicans, I honestly didn’t expect such a brilliantly deep answer. I guess I’ve gotten used to fluff. But Bolton hit it out of the park and I just had to start the day with it:


video and comments at site.

Bolton said..
from with comments..
John Bolton on the greatest misconception that Democrats have about Republicans | The Right Scoop

LOL! What a big strawman Bolton defeated.

It says a lot that he didn't address the factual pedophile tendencies of Republicans and instead went to war with a strawman.

What about the pedophiles in Hollywood? When are Democrats going to go after them?

They go after them to give them awards and accolades.

 

[dblack]

Yeah, arrogant and dismissive is the way to go. Gotta show 'em we don't give fuck what they think! That's the mark of righteous strength. It's the way to earn real respect.

News flash: They're never going to respect us. They stick their hands out demanding foreign aid, thinking they deserve it, and still hate us when we give it to them.

This isn't kindergarten. We're not all going to get along.

Hmm... cart? horse?

 

[daveman]

Yeah, arrogant and dismissive is the way to go. Gotta show 'em we don't give fuck what they think! That's the mark of righteous strength. It's the way to earn real respect.

News flash: They're never going to respect us. They stick their hands out demanding foreign aid, thinking they deserve it, and still hate us when we give it to them.

This isn't kindergarten. We're not all going to get along.

Hmm... cart? horse?

No. Reality. They're not going to be nice to us if we kiss their ass.

 

[dblack]

News flash: They're never going to respect us. They stick their hands out demanding foreign aid, thinking they deserve it, and still hate us when we give it to them.

This isn't kindergarten. We're not all going to get along.

Hmm... cart? horse?

No. Reality. They're not going to be nice to us if we kiss their ass.

Yes, and we've already determined that there are only two options, dismissive arrogance or kissing ass. Awesome.

 

[Jackson]

Posted by The Right Scoop on Dec 12, 2011 in Politics | 57 Comments
When John Bolton was asked the question of what he thought was the greatest misconception that Democrats have about Republicans, I honestly didn’t expect such a brilliantly deep answer. I guess I’ve gotten used to fluff. But Bolton hit it out of the park and I just had to start the day with it:


video and comments at site.

Bolton said..

“The core misimpression is that a fundamental belief in liberty and it’s implications is somehow cruel and uncaring. When in fact, liberty is absolutely central to the most massive economic change in the history of the world that has brought more concrete material advantages to people in the last few hundred years than in millennia before that. And that understanding liberty means you have to value the possibility of failure as well as the possibility of success. Because if you don’t have failure as an option, you’ll never have success as an option.

It’s not lack of compassion that drives many Republican policy preferences, it’s a belief in the inherent importance of individual self-worth and not being dependent on external factors like the government.”

from with comments..
John Bolton on the greatest misconception that Democrats have about Republicans | The Right Scoop

The biggest misconception Republicans have is that somehow liberty is a value that only applies to their party

What you don't seem to understand that with every endeavor there is a risk of reward or failure. For the opposite is a void, or nothing. Not seeking anything. The default is failure.

Again.. you are not understanding a concept but putting a party before your own misconceptions. Your party affiliations just color everything purple.

 

[midcan5]

Allow me a rephrase of Bolton's profundity: 'the core misinterpretation is that we believe in the tooth fairy and they do not.' See how easy it is to say something and say nothing. Of course since you don't know what I mean by the tooth fairy you'll never understand.

"The atmosphere surrounding this problem is terrible. Dense clouds of language lie about the crucial point. It is almost impossible to get through it." Ludwig Wittgenstein