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I don't know Kath, I think there's a legitimate reason to criticize this guy now. He was used directly by the McCain campaign to promote the idea, through his own words, that redistributing the wealth is bad policy, meanwhile he himself benefitted from just such a policy.
To me, that's morally and ethically wrong.
Joe wanted to be in the media spotlight - so he got what he deserved. Gee, I wonder who tipped off the media about Joe's welfare.
I don't know Kath, I think there's a legitimate reason to criticize this guy now. He was used directly by the McCain campaign to promote the idea, through his own words, that redistributing the wealth is bad policy, meanwhile he himself benefitted from just such a policy.
To me, that's morally and ethically wrong.
Do you have any idea how many people have questioned this guy? Not only is he black, not only is he relatively unknown to the world up until 4 years ago, not only does he have questionable associations, not only did his pastor for 20 years yell out loudly "GOD DAMN AMERICA" on tape for all to see, not only did he defeat the Clinton machine, not only did he spend a good part of his youth in Inodnesia, but he is also running for president. He has held hundreds of town hall meetings with people just like you and me, he has met with hundreds of thousands if not millions of Americans like you and me who have all questioned him. Have we all been destroyed?
No.
Joe the Plumber was destroyed because he lied. He tried to make something about himself more than he was. He was at the very least, a huge idiot and hypocrite. At the most he was a plant for the McCain campaign. His entire purpose was to convince middle America that Obama's tax plan would hurt them because it was wrong to accept money from rich people. There's a passage that goes: "Do not judge lest ye' be judged." If Joe really was buying a business, which he's not, if Joe really had that kind of money to buy a business, which he doesn't, if Joe's name really was Joe, which it isn't, then Joe wouldn't be stupid enough to question Obama's tax plan, because he would know Obama's tax plan for small businesses actually help them.
Who forced him to go on FoxNews almost every other week? Who forced him to campaign for John McCain? Who forced him to say that Obama = Death to Israel? Who forced him to get his own publicit, to seek a record deal and to seek a book deal? He forced this on himself. When you put yourself out there in the view of the public and you're attacking someone who is very popular with a majority of American's, expect to get attacked. You better be squeaky clean.
Not at first he didn't. The media attacked a private citizen for asking a question and hardly paid attention to Obama's answer. This was a disgraceful moment in American politics.
and why did the media even inquire if he was a plumber and what not
They did it to dig dirt up on him cause he made Obama look bad
Show me one negative story about Joe the Plumber before the final debate occured where John the McCain mentioned Joe the Plumber a million times. "My old buddy, Joe the Plumber." One negative news story about Joe the Plumber before the debate. Because JTP appeared on FoxNews the day after.
The only story here is that Joe stole the media's thunder. They didn't like it. They're assholes and not doing their job as journalists.
Just wondering...do you actually think about what you're going to say before you post. At all?
yeah, cause anyone that walks out their door is a media whoreI thought the story was that he was an attention-seeking media whore?
What's unbelieveable is the media made the story about Joe, not Obama's answer.
yeah, cause anyone that walks out their door is a media whore
he didnt seek out Obama, Obama was in HIS neighborhood
We disagree. I think all Americans have the right to question their representatives, without intimidation. If one is not intimidated by the investigation into Joe, one is a fool.
Again, attack McCain if you or the media wish. He used Joe, because his answer elicited some of the information many of us feared about Barack. In the long run, no damage done, most seem comfortable with socialism. That the arms of the government and media were used to pick through his life, silences us all.He did ask Obama a question and Obama didn't intimidate him. If that was the extent of it, it would've been over.
Now separately: McCain used Joe the Plumber a total of 20+ times in the debate. This made Joe the Plumber famous. Joe then went out to the media and had several conversations with them. Again, no problems. Then JTP went on FauxNews and went on the Sean Hannity Show. This raised a red flag. People wanted to know who this Joe the Plumber was - so they researched him. Turns out, he owes taxes. Turns out he was on welfare. Turns out he makes $40,000 a year. Turns out he doesn't have nearly enough money to even think about buying his boss' business.
Turns out Joe lied about EVERYTHING. Then he goes around and spreads lies about Obama and socialism and Obama and Israel. Turns out this guy is nothing more than a manufacutred fraud.
and i hope he makes MILLIONS on itYeah... and now after the Election he has a book deal and a blog, just because his name was mentioned on the news.
no, thats wrongHe did ask Obama a question and Obama didn't intimidate him. If that was the extent of it, it would've been over.
Now separately: McCain used Joe the Plumber a total of 20+ times in the debate. This made Joe the Plumber famous. Joe then went out to the media and had several conversations with them. Again, no problems. Then JTP went on FauxNews and went on the Sean Hannity Show. This raised a red flag. People wanted to know who this Joe the Plumber was - so they researched him. Turns out, he owes taxes. Turns out he was on welfare. Turns out he makes $40,000 a year. Turns out he doesn't have nearly enough money to even think about buying his boss' business.
Turns out Joe lied about EVERYTHING. Then he goes around and spreads lies about Obama and socialism and Obama and Israel. Turns out this guy is nothing more than a manufacutred fraud.
i can't wait til this election is over.
heh heh
