Or maybe tries to open a sensible discussion as to why we are there. Here's the thing. We invaded after 9/11. Absolutely right to do so, but it was also what Bin Laden wanted - to draw us into war that would exhaust us militarily so we'd stop interferring in the middle east. Why not. Worked with the Soviets. But we became more pre-occuppied with Iraq, or at least Bush did. The Obama tried to split the anti-war baby by calling Iraq the War of Choice while Afghanistan was the "war of necessity". (In fact, there are no wars of necessity. Only choices of what you are willing to put up with.) So while carrying out Bush's plan to get out of Iraq on schedule, he upped the ante on Afghanistan. But I ask, to what purpose? To get Al Qaeda. Al Qaeda relocated to Iraq, Yemen, Somalia and points west in 2002. To establish democracy? I don't think the Afghans ever had any interest in democracy or modernization, for that matter. It became a moot point when Karzai stole the 2009 election. The thing is we are propping up Karzai, and five minutes after we leave, he's gone as being tainted by a foreign occupying power. So how much more money and blood are we going to throw down this rathole? discuss!