"Jobs for Americans vs. Tax Cuts for Billionaires"

[Soggy in NOLA]

The left never met a tax they didn't like... as long as someone else is paying it.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

The Dems.. the party of "gimme".

 

[rightwinger]

Bullshit there Flaylo.

I personally know folks and know about folks who have been riding that gravy train for years. You and everyone on this board has probably met a few also.

They have raised their kids on Welfare and are perfectly happy to continue to do so. For every one I know believe me there are thousands out there that I will never meet.

And I wouldn't take any bets as to the $15 and hour vs that Welfare check either.

And I personally know folks who make $25,000 a year and struggle to support a family of four. Its not an easy life for many working Americans who are on the lower tier of the economic scale. They have to make decisions on paying the rent, the utility bill, the doctors bills, getting the car fixed, buying Christmas gifts for the kids....

These are part of that 50% of Americans who do not pay Federal Taxes. These are the Americans who Republicans want to shift more of the tax burden on

As I said. If there were no Rich to tax the shit out of who do you think they would tax RW?? Why the middle class and the poor of course.

AS for that 25,000 total. Well I've never made much more than that a year my whole working life. Believe me they take Fed taxes out of me. I get some back but not much so excuse me if I don't have a lot of sympathy for those riding that gravy train.

There will always be rich....they are not going anywhere
There will also always be people who have no concept of what it takes to support themselves

I am concerned with the people who are in between. Those who work hard. Those who rely on two incomes to support their families and see less and less after the bills are paid. Americans are not lazy. Never have been. We work more hours and have greater productivity than anyone.

But working families are having a harder time realizing the American dream. It is harder to buy a home, pay for your kids college, take a modest vacation. Rents, utilities, insurance, medical bills, food all eat up major portions of your paycheck. There is not much left over for many working Americans.

These are the people we should be worrying about. These are the people who shouldn't have to pay as much in taxes, should get to deduct what they pay in health insurance and college tuition.

 

[Bern80]

And I personally know folks who make $25,000 a year and struggle to support a family of four. Its not an easy life for many working Americans who are on the lower tier of the economic scale. They have to make decisions on paying the rent, the utility bill, the doctors bills, getting the car fixed, buying Christmas gifts for the kids....

These are part of that 50% of Americans who do not pay Federal Taxes. These are the Americans who Republicans want to shift more of the tax burden on

And these are the people that need to hold themselves accountable first. It's interesting bemoan the decisions their income forces them to make, yet you don't address the decisions they made, unconciously or otherwise, to get themselves in tha position in the first place. Getting to the point where you have four children and your household income is only 25k, requires some really poor decision making at some point.

 

[Bass v 2.0]

I see the right wing nuts are still throwing out that "the poor" or just jealous stupidity and not looking at reality. Thats why I'm moving to France, I'm far too convince that too many Americans are becoming brainwashed by this political stupidity especially the ridiculous argument that the government is forcing people to do things with their money when no one has control over where their dollars go, thats holds for the rich, middle class and working poor, stop pretending that the rich are the only "victims".

 

[Claudette]

Move away baby. I'm sure you'll enjoy the socialist agenda. You are all equal whether you work or you don't. Have fun. Hell. We might even see you protesting in the streets because the Govt is trying to raise the retirement age from 60 to 62.

You and Johnny Depp can dodge the suicide bombers when they show up at a store, pizzaria or neighborhood near you.

 

[rightwinger]

And I personally know folks who make $25,000 a year and struggle to support a family of four. Its not an easy life for many working Americans who are on the lower tier of the economic scale. They have to make decisions on paying the rent, the utility bill, the doctors bills, getting the car fixed, buying Christmas gifts for the kids....

These are part of that 50% of Americans who do not pay Federal Taxes. These are the Americans who Republicans want to shift more of the tax burden on

And these are the people that need to hold themselves accountable first. It's interesting bemoan the decisions their income forces them to make, yet you don't address the decisions they made, unconciously or otherwise, to get themselves in tha position in the first place. Getting to the point where you have four children and your household income is only 25k, requires some really poor decision making at some point.

Typical Conservative blame the victim approach. If you only make $25K it is your fault. You must be lazy or stupid. A struggling family having two kids is not being irresponsible. You have to work in the job environment that is available. In our current economy, there are not many $40K+ jobs out there and many are happy just to make $25K

In this economy, the Liberals blame the rich people while the Conservatives blame the poor. It is the working Americans who are feeling the economic crunch the most. We need to do more for the working families, help them regain their economic footing

This is the strength of America

 

[Bass v 2.0]

Move away baby. I'm sure you'll enjoy the socialist agenda. You are all equal whether you work or you don't. Have fun. Hell. We might even see you protesting in the streets because the Govt is trying to raise the retirement age from 60 to 62.

You and Johnny Depp can dodge the suicide bombers when they show up at a store, pizzaria or neighborhood near you.

Save me the partisan monkey speak with all that "you're a socialist" crap, you're talking to a real man not some idiot thats easily swayed by partisan scare talk, there isn't a "socialist" that I know that has done anything wrong to any black people let alone any Americans so take that red scare McCarthyism and shove it.

 

[Bern80]

I am concerned with the people who are in between. Those who work hard. Those who rely on two incomes to support their families and see less and less after the bills are paid. Americans are not lazy. Never have been. We work more hours and have greater productivity than anyone.

Working hard is not always working smart. I don't think I deserve a medal of some type working 60 hours a week if the work I do requires no more skill than that of the avg monkey. I don't have some grudge against people such that I don't want them to have money. I want those middle class folks to have more left over at the end of the day as well. What I don't get is where demonizing the rich in the form of demanding they pay more taxes is going to help that problem.

But working families are having a harder time realizing the American dream. It is harder to buy a home, pay for your kids college, take a modest vacation. Rents, utilities, insurance, medical bills, food all eat up major portions of your paycheck. There is not much left over for many working Americans.

These are the people we should be worrying about. These are the people who shouldn't have to pay as much in taxes, should get to deduct what they pay in health insurance and college tuition.

Why don't we come up with a tax structure that is simpler? Our tax code is a nightmare and you just want to add more crap to it. I swear the politicians watch debates like this and laugh their asses off. Why? Because this whole debate who should pay what all rests on the presumption that government just has to have the money and absolutely needs more of it. Fight the problem at the source. Focus your attention on government efficiency and cutting waste. If you make some hard choices there such that government needs less this debate about who has to give what to government and how much becomes irrelevant.

 

[Claudette]

And I personally know folks who make $25,000 a year and struggle to support a family of four. Its not an easy life for many working Americans who are on the lower tier of the economic scale. They have to make decisions on paying the rent, the utility bill, the doctors bills, getting the car fixed, buying Christmas gifts for the kids....

These are part of that 50% of Americans who do not pay Federal Taxes. These are the Americans who Republicans want to shift more of the tax burden on

As I said. If there were no Rich to tax the shit out of who do you think they would tax RW?? Why the middle class and the poor of course.

AS for that 25,000 total. Well I've never made much more than that a year my whole working life. Believe me they take Fed taxes out of me. I get some back but not much so excuse me if I don't have a lot of sympathy for those riding that gravy train.

There will always be rich....they are not going anywhere
There will also always be people who have no concept of what it takes to support themselves

I am concerned with the people who are in between. Those who work hard. Those who rely on two incomes to support their families and see less and less after the bills are paid. Americans are not lazy. Never have been. We work more hours and have greater productivity than anyone.

But working families are having a harder time realizing the American dream. It is harder to buy a home, pay for your kids college, take a modest vacation. Rents, utilities, insurance, medical bills, food all eat up major portions of your paycheck. There is not much left over for many working Americans.

These are the people we should be worrying about. These are the people who shouldn't have to pay as much in taxes, should get to deduct what they pay in health insurance and college tuition.

While I can applaud your sentiments RW they just aren't mine.

I see no reason for me and the other taxpayers of America to carry the water for folks who made poor decisions in their lives. These were decisions THEY made. Not me, the next door neighbor or the Rich folks uptown.

Why should their poor judgment entitle then to a free ride??

 

[Bern80]

Typical Conservative blame the victim approach. If you only make $25K it is your fault. You must be lazy or stupid. A struggling family having two kids is not being irresponsible. You have to work in the job environment that is available. In our current economy, there are not many $40K+ jobs out there and many are happy just to make $25K

And you are the typical lib making endless excuses for the 'victims'. The above is pure bullshit. The limit on your wealth accumulation is not your environment or your socio-economic background. the limit is your motivation. You have to ask questions like 'why is this family strugglng'? You can't sit their and pretend your poor family making 25k with four kids didn't make some poor decisions to get to that point. Yet you keep talking about this subject like those that are in that position are blameless for why they are there. You can't possibly be that naive. I'm fairly certain you're not. So if part of the problem is you and you don't address you, how is it that you expect anything to change?

In this economy, the Liberals blame the rich people while the Conservatives blame the poor. It is the working Americans who are feeling the economic crunch the most. We need to do more for the working families, help them regain their economic footing

This is the strength of America

'Working families' could be the talking point to end all talking points. Want to help them? Put more money in their pocket. Elimnate income tax and replace it with a consumption tax. Let everyone decide just how much they're going to give to government. At the same time pass measures that require government to spend no more than what it has.

 

[Claudette]

Move away baby. I'm sure you'll enjoy the socialist agenda. You are all equal whether you work or you don't. Have fun. Hell. We might even see you protesting in the streets because the Govt is trying to raise the retirement age from 60 to 62.

You and Johnny Depp can dodge the suicide bombers when they show up at a store, pizzaria or neighborhood near you.

Save me the partisan monkey speak with all that "you're a socialist" crap, you're talking to a real man not some idiot thats easily swayed by partisan scare talk, there isn't a "socialist" that I know that has done anything wrong to any black people let alone any Americans so take that red scare McCarthyism and shove it.

I didn't call you a Socialist. I said You would ENJOY the Socialist agenda.

As for their treatment of black people. Apparantly you have never seen a soccer game where they call their first rate black players ****** and everything else under the sun? No prejudice in France.

If I were you I'd do a little research on France before I move there.

On second thought. Just go ahead and move to France. I'm sure they will appreciate you much more than America does. Have fun.

 

[Bass v 2.0]

I am concerned with the people who are in between. Those who work hard. Those who rely on two incomes to support their families and see less and less after the bills are paid. Americans are not lazy. Never have been. We work more hours and have greater productivity than anyone.

Working hard is not always working smart. I don't think I deserve a medal of some type working 60 hours a week if the work I do requires no more skill than that of the avg monkey. I don't have some grudge against people such that I don't want them to have money. I want those middle class folks to have more left over at the end of the day as well. What I don't get is where demonizing the rich in the form of demanding they pay more taxes is going to help that problem.

But working families are having a harder time realizing the American dream. It is harder to buy a home, pay for your kids college, take a modest vacation. Rents, utilities, insurance, medical bills, food all eat up major portions of your paycheck. There is not much left over for many working Americans.

These are the people we should be worrying about. These are the people who shouldn't have to pay as much in taxes, should get to deduct what they pay in health insurance and college tuition.

Why don't we come up with a tax structure that is simpler? Our tax code is a nightmare and you just want to add more crap to it. I swear the politicians watch debates like this and laugh their asses off. Why? Because this whole debate who should pay what all rests on the presumption that government just has to have the money and absolutely needs more of it. Fight the problem at the source. Focus your attention on government efficiency and cutting waste. If you make some hard choices there such that government needs less this debate about who has to give what to government and how much becomes irrelevant.

The tax code is only hard for those who don't have the money to pay some tax lawyer a huge some to find the loopholes in the tax code to avoid paying more taxes. Its the rich that have this advantage, not the poor.

 

[saveliberty]

The tax code was pretty helpful for me last year. Probably will be this year too. I see the earned income credit doesn't require much from the poor. So just how is it that the poor and middle class get breaks without a tax lawyer, but the rich need one?

 

[Bass v 2.0]

Move away baby. I'm sure you'll enjoy the socialist agenda. You are all equal whether you work or you don't. Have fun. Hell. We might even see you protesting in the streets because the Govt is trying to raise the retirement age from 60 to 62.

You and Johnny Depp can dodge the suicide bombers when they show up at a store, pizzaria or neighborhood near you.

Save me the partisan monkey speak with all that "you're a socialist" crap, you're talking to a real man not some idiot thats easily swayed by partisan scare talk, there isn't a "socialist" that I know that has done anything wrong to any black people let alone any Americans so take that red scare McCarthyism and shove it.

I didn't call you a Socialist. I said You would ENJOY the Socialist agenda.

As for their treatment of black people. Apparantly you have never seen a soccer game where they call their first rate black players ****** and everything else under the sun? No prejudice in France.

If I were you I'd do a little research on France before I move there.

On second thought. Just go ahead and move to France. I'm sure they will appreciate you much more than America does. Have fun.

I've been going to France almost every year for the last 20 years and have a branch of my family that has lived there in excess of 50 years, I don't need to research anything and don't give me that BS about racism in France when in the US you have rightwing Tea Baggers monkey who remind our black president daily that he's a ****** president in charge of a country thats for white folks only and tries to hide it by pretending they're mad at his issues when really they're mad at having him as president.

 

[saveliberty]

Checked the polls lately. A large majority of Americans are not happy with Obama's policies, yet find him personally appealing. That flies in the face of your distorted view.

 

[boedicca]

We're going to have to pry the Race Card from Bassy's Cold Dead Hands one of these days.

 

[Bern80]

The tax code is only hard for those who don't have the money to pay some tax lawyer a huge some to find the loopholes in the tax code to avoid paying more taxes. Its the rich that have this advantage, not the poor.

Yes that's true. I don't really like that either in the sense that I wish our tax code were simpler such that it would render this tax break for this or this shelter for that irrelevent. Having money does afford you more tax advantages, no doubt about it.

HOWEVER, those advantages don't change the fact the people taking this advantages STILL wind up paying the bulk of the tax bill. And it doesn't change the fact that if you 'gave' a skilled tax attorney to every poor family they still wouldn't wind up paying much less in taxes. The ability of the poor and middle class to take advantage of tax breaks isn't limited by their knowledge of the system. It's limited by their sources of income. The rich generally have multiple means of generating income and their are all kinds of tax advantages for each of those means of income. But the poor and middle class generally only have a couple forms of income and very little in the way of assets. You can't do something in terms of tax breaks with basically nothing.

 

[saveliberty]

We're going to have to pry the Race Card from Bassy's Cold Dead Hands one of these days.

Pity. We could exchange it for a victim card.

 

[Queen]

Because, we all know that the poor provides jobs..

Jobs are created when the people have enough money to buy things. Then the companies hire more people to make more things because there is a demand for them.

So yeah, give the poor a living wage and they do provide jobs.