"Jobs for Americans vs. Tax Cuts for Billionaires"

[Queen]

Thats just it. Not all poor people want to give up the gravy train.

After all. Its much easier to sit on your ass and let the taxpayers of America feed you and your kids.

Its much easier to have the taxpayers of America take care of all their medical and dental needs, buy the food and pay the rent as well.

Why in the world would they give that up?? After all someone else is paying the freight and money does grow on a tree doncha know.

This is an idiotic statement by someone who's never been poor.

 

[rightwinger]

Typical Conservative blame the victim approach. If you only make $25K it is your fault. You must be lazy or stupid. A struggling family having two kids is not being irresponsible. You have to work in the job environment that is available. In our current economy, there are not many $40K+ jobs out there and many are happy just to make $25K

And you are the typical lib making endless excuses for the 'victims'. The above is pure bullshit. The limit on your wealth accumulation is not your environment or your socio-economic background. the limit is your motivation. You have to ask questions like 'why is this family strugglng'? You can't sit their and pretend your poor family making 25k with four kids didn't make some poor decisions to get to that point. Yet you keep talking about this subject like those that are in that position are blameless for why they are there. You can't possibly be that naive. I'm fairly certain you're not. So if part of the problem is you and you don't address you, how is it that you expect anything to change?

In this economy, the Liberals blame the rich people while the Conservatives blame the poor. It is the working Americans who are feeling the economic crunch the most. We need to do more for the working families, help them regain their economic footing

This is the strength of America

'Working families' could be the talking point to end all talking points. Want to help them? Put more money in their pocket. Elimnate income tax and replace it with a consumption tax. Let everyone decide just how much they're going to give to government. At the same time pass measures that require government to spend no more than what it has.

LOL

Sure Bern...

The only reason working Americans are struggling is because they are not "motivated" enough

Makes a nice bumper sticker...don't cha think?

 

[saveliberty]

Because, we all know that the poor provides jobs..

Jobs are created when the people have enough money to buy things. Then the companies hire more people to make more things because there is a demand for them.

So yeah, give the poor a living wage and they do provide jobs.

Earned income credits and social programs are all geared to help provide for the standards of a living. You are talking about disposable income, which is beyond a living wage. Disposable income drives job creation, not a living wage.

 

[WillowTree]

Save me the partisan monkey speak with all that "you're a socialist" crap, you're talking to a real man not some idiot thats easily swayed by partisan scare talk, there isn't a "socialist" that I know that has done anything wrong to any black people let alone any Americans so take that red scare McCarthyism and shove it.

I didn't call you a Socialist. I said You would ENJOY the Socialist agenda.

As for their treatment of black people. Apparantly you have never seen a soccer game where they call their first rate black players ****** and everything else under the sun? No prejudice in France.

If I were you I'd do a little research on France before I move there.

On second thought. Just go ahead and move to France. I'm sure they will appreciate you much more than America does. Have fun.

I've been going to France almost every year for the last 20 years and have a branch of my family that has lived there in excess of 50 years, I don't need to research anything and don't give me that BS about racism in France when in the US you have rightwing Tea Baggers monkey who remind our black president daily that he's a ****** president in charge of a country thats for white folks only and tries to hide it by pretending they're mad at his issues when really they're mad at having him as president.

Liar!

 

[Bern80]

LOL

Sure Bern...

The only reason working Americans are struggling is because they are not "motivated" enough

Makes a nice bumper sticker...don't cha think?

So you can tell me all the people you know in your life have maxed out their potential in terms of wealth accumulation? The short answer indicates you are the one out of logical arguments, not me.

I do know one thing. I am more likely to accumulate wealth by working at it then I am by pissing and moaning and making excuses like you about it.

 

[BlindBoo]

1. Anyone who reads the HuffPuff is an idiot.

2. I am sick of hearing this 'blame the rich' song. I am sick of politicians hanging hard working Americans out to dry and creating bullshit about 'rich people'. Hitler did that - and look what happened to the 'evil Jews'. And.... for the record.... that's not a swipe at Obama.... it is a statement about ALL our Politicians and their fucking constant 'blame the other guy' attititude. If Americans are stupid enough to fall for the shit that these lying bastards feed you, then we deserve to get crapped on by these people.

Careful with absolutes

Then try and equate todays issue, a return to pre-Bush tax rates, an increase of 3% for the wealthy, to Hitler's Germany in the 1930's and his demonizing the Jews for Germany woes?????

Neither party is beholden to the public anymore. It's time to take as much money out of elections as we can. Can you imagine a campaign where a candidates thoughts and words carried more weight that 10 second sound bites?

 

[saveliberty]

1. Anyone who reads the HuffPuff is an idiot.

2. I am sick of hearing this 'blame the rich' song. I am sick of politicians hanging hard working Americans out to dry and creating bullshit about 'rich people'. Hitler did that - and look what happened to the 'evil Jews'. And.... for the record.... that's not a swipe at Obama.... it is a statement about ALL our Politicians and their fucking constant 'blame the other guy' attititude. If Americans are stupid enough to fall for the shit that these lying bastards feed you, then we deserve to get crapped on by these people.

Careful with absolutes

Then try and equate todays issue, a return to pre-Bush tax rates, an increase of 3% for the wealthy, to Hitler's Germany in the 1930's and his demonizing the Jews for Germany woes?????

Neither party is beholden to the public anymore. It's time to take as much money out of elections as we can. Can you imagine a campaign where a candidates thoughts and words carried more weight that 10 second sound bites?

I called it three months ago! Nazi was going to be big this fall. Labels never go out of fashion with the left. Yes, that is an absolute.

 

[rightwinger]

LOL

Sure Bern...

The only reason working Americans are struggling is because they are not "motivated" enough

Makes a nice bumper sticker...don't cha think?

So you can tell me all the people you know in your life have maxed out their potential in terms of wealth accumulation? The short answer indicates you are the one out of logical arguments, not me.

I do know one thing. I am more likely to accumulate wealth by working at it then I am by pissing and moaning and making excuses like you about it.

Yes..

Most people in this country eventually max out their potential of earning additional wealth. For some people that may be $25 K, some it may be $80K, some it may be $1 mil and for some it may be limitless

It does not mean they are lazy, it does not mean they are stupid. Everyone operates within the constraints of their intelligence, motivation, connections, environment and just plain luck.

You can be as motivated and work as hard as anyone...that doesn't mean you will be a millionaire unless most of these factors come into play

 

[Bass v 2.0]

Checked the polls lately. A large majority of Americans are not happy with Obama's policies, yet find him personally appealing. That flies in the face of your distorted view.

His policies didn't drive the country into debt and if anything his bailouts actually saved jobs, its just a case of misinformed people who are angry looking to blame someone.

 

[Bern80]

LOL

Sure Bern...

The only reason working Americans are struggling is because they are not "motivated" enough

Makes a nice bumper sticker...don't cha think?

So you can tell me all the people you know in your life have maxed out their potential in terms of wealth accumulation? The short answer indicates you are the one out of logical arguments, not me.

I do know one thing. I am more likely to accumulate wealth by working at it then I am by pissing and moaning and making excuses like you about it.

Yes..

Most people in this country eventually max out their potential of earning additional wealth. For some people that may be $25 K, some it may be $80K, some it may be $1 mil and for some it may be limitless

It does not mean they are lazy, it does not mean they are stupid. Everyone operates within the constraints of their intelligence, motivation, connections, environment and just plain luck.

You can be as motivated and work as hard as anyone...that doesn't mean you will be a millionaire unless most of these factors come into play

Absolute 100% bullshit. I will give it is a rather convenient argument though. It is pretty hard to surpass the barriers you impose on yourself.

Be specific Righty. What are the specific barriers for the bulk of the middle class that make it simply impossible to attain more wealth?

 

[saveliberty]

Rich barrier: They have more money than me.

 

[The T]

I am concerned with the people who are in between. Those who work hard. Those who rely on two incomes to support their families and see less and less after the bills are paid. Americans are not lazy. Never have been. We work more hours and have greater productivity than anyone.

Working hard is not always working smart. I don't think I deserve a medal of some type working 60 hours a week if the work I do requires no more skill than that of the avg monkey. I don't have some grudge against people such that I don't want them to have money. I want those middle class folks to have more left over at the end of the day as well. What I don't get is where demonizing the rich in the form of demanding they pay more taxes is going to help that problem.

But working families are having a harder time realizing the American dream. It is harder to buy a home, pay for your kids college, take a modest vacation. Rents, utilities, insurance, medical bills, food all eat up major portions of your paycheck. There is not much left over for many working Americans.

These are the people we should be worrying about. These are the people who shouldn't have to pay as much in taxes, should get to deduct what they pay in health insurance and college tuition.

Why don't we come up with a tax structure that is simpler? Our tax code is a nightmare and you just want to add more crap to it. I swear the politicians watch debates like this and laugh their asses off. Why? Because this whole debate who should pay what all rests on the presumption that government just has to have the money and absolutely needs more of it. Fight the problem at the source. Focus your attention on government efficiency and cutting waste. If you make some hard choices there such that government needs less this debate about who has to give what to government and how much becomes irrelevant.

The tax code is only hard for those who don't have the money to pay some tax lawyer a huge some to find the loopholes in the tax code to avoid paying more taxes. Its the rich that have this advantage, not the poor.

Then the solution is to deep six it all together.

 

[rightwinger]

So you can tell me all the people you know in your life have maxed out their potential in terms of wealth accumulation? The short answer indicates you are the one out of logical arguments, not me.

I do know one thing. I am more likely to accumulate wealth by working at it then I am by pissing and moaning and making excuses like you about it.

Yes..

Most people in this country eventually max out their potential of earning additional wealth. For some people that may be $25 K, some it may be $80K, some it may be $1 mil and for some it may be limitless

It does not mean they are lazy, it does not mean they are stupid. Everyone operates within the constraints of their intelligence, motivation, connections, environment and just plain luck.

You can be as motivated and work as hard as anyone...that doesn't mean you will be a millionaire unless most of these factors come into play

Absolute 100% bullshit. I will give it is a rather convenient argument though. It is pretty hard to surpass the barriers you impose on yourself.

Be specific Righty. What are the specific barriers for the bulk of the middle class that make it simply impossible to attain more wealth?

You are living in a fantasy world if you believe every person has unlimited potential for earning.

Specific barriers?
Lack of access to better employment- May be geographic, may be a lack of personal contacts, may be personal disabilities, you may just be an ass hole

You want more?

 

[saveliberty]

Sand deliveryman in the dessert. Got it.

Glass blower training out of the question?

 

[rdean]

1. Anyone who reads the HuffPuff is an idiot.

2. I am sick of hearing this 'blame the rich' song. I am sick of politicians hanging hard working Americans out to dry and creating bullshit about 'rich people'. Hitler did that - and look what happened to the 'evil Jews'. And.... for the record.... that's not a swipe at Obama.... it is a statement about ALL our Politicians and their fucking constant 'blame the other guy' attititude. If Americans are stupid enough to fall for the shit that these lying bastards feed you, then we deserve to get crapped on by these people.

I'm sick of rich people not wanting to support this country. They jump over everyone else to get in to college, like George Bush and John McCain.

Very few actually ever serve in the military.

They move jobs to China to squeeze out an extra dollar.

The greedy fuckers. They don't love this country, they use it.

And we're sick of parasites like you. Perhaps you could, well, just leave? I hear France loves moochy people.

You want people to believe you're rich?

Please, that's a food stamp hanging out of your wallet and you're breath smells exactly like government cheese and spam.

 

[Bern80]

You are living in a fantasy world if you believe every person has unlimited potential for earning.

You are if you think most don't.

Specific barriers?
Lack of access to better employment- May be geographic, may be a lack of personal contacts, may be personal disabilities, you may just be an ass hole

You want more?

Those are not impassable barriers. They are excuses. You keep proving my point righty and I appreciate it. No good opportunities where you live? MOVE. People do it all the time.

Lack of personal contacts? Make some. It's called social networking.

Personal disabilities. They haven't kept all kinds of people from achieving. The only handicap I can see playing a role in wealth accumulation would be some type of mental handicap. Relatively speaking a very small minority of people. So small as to make bringing them up fairly desperate on your part.

People like you make excuses. Wealthy people don't. It's that simple. You are so stupid that you can't see it's the excuse making that is the barrier and nothing more.

 

[rightwinger]

You are living in a fantasy world if you believe every person has unlimited potential for earning.

You are if you think most don't.

Specific barriers?
Lack of access to better employment- May be geographic, may be a lack of personal contacts, may be personal disabilities, you may just be an ass hole

You want more?

Those are not impassable barriers. They are excuses. You keep proving my point righty and I appreciate it. No good opportunities where you live? MOVE. People do it all the time.

Lack of personal contacts? Make some. It's called social networking.

Personal disabilities. They haven't kept all kinds of people from achieving. The only handicap I can see playing a role in wealth accumulation would be some type of mental handicap. Relatively speaking a very small minority of people. So small as to make bringing them up fairly desperate on your part.

People like you make excuses. Wealthy people don't. It's that simple. You are so stupid that you can't see it's the excuse making that is the barrier and nothing more.

LOL....sure Bern

Thanks for showing us your fantasy world...yes children, you can all be millionaires if you only buckle down and WORK HARDER

If you don't make it....you have only yourself to blame

 

[Bern80]

You are living in a fantasy world if you believe every person has unlimited potential for earning.

You are if you think most don't.

Specific barriers?
Lack of access to better employment- May be geographic, may be a lack of personal contacts, may be personal disabilities, you may just be an ass hole

You want more?

Let's just look at one of these excuses for examples sake; Geography. You claim this is a barrier that can limit the amount of wealth one can attain. We'll make a couple of initial assumptions. The first being (unrealisitc as it may be) that in your current geographical location there are zero opportunities to make more money. Second assumption is you can't make more than say 40k a year in this geographical area. You want to make more than that. Now, based on these assumptions, why is it impossible for you to make more money?