Jobs Bill

Thank you for proving my point regarding your poor understanding of economics.

Now how about getting back to the classroom and brainwashing another generation of innocent children into being complacent tools of the state.

You post a personal attack because you're too stupid to explain with examples and evidence how the government getting out of the way benefits jobs creation as well as the economy, environment and the health of our people.
So, lets say government gets out of the way. The oldest profession flourishes, for there are no cops to prosecute prostitutes or their pimps, no prosecutors needed since no arrests are made and no free clinics to diagnose and treat STD's.
Want more examples? I can offer many, but making an argument to a willfully ignorant partisan ^$##@$^* makes no sense.
Have a nice day and thank you so much for sharing your opinion.

Nobody's calling for anarchy which is what you are illustrating, stop being so silly. What is meant by "getting out of the way" is the reduction in the amount of regs, the punitive taxation, the mandates, the reporting. You see, I am a CPA and have served as a CFO of mid-sized company. The reporting requirements, the endless surveys and census' forms, the endless amounts of insurance needed just to operate, the environmental studies required just to build a new plant, the forms, the never ending changes to W2's, 1099's, 940's, 941's, etc., the endless changes in withholding tables, amounts, SOX compliance, it is a nightmare. And you think that;s bad? Try taking a firm public. You have the SEC and various other agencies up your ass with a microscope.

Nobody's advocating eliminating the police... so get real.


Indeed.

At one of my small companies, we underwent an EEOC audit. The "auditor" harassed us because of the four people in HR, none of them were men.

Why on earth we need the Federal Government to scrutinize the gender of an HR staff consisting of FOUR PEOPLE is inexplicable.
 
what the hell is JOBS BILL?

And the First order of Business the people who voted in the Republicans with this last election has been to take on the TAKEOVER of our health care by this commie administration.

They better stay with it if they want to KEEP THEIR JOBS.

Sorry, hon, it STAYS unless and until it reaches the Supreme Court.

Actually, no, it's already been voided.

They would have to ask for a stay at this point. Like you said, it's dead meat.
 
Democrats were in the majority in the House for 4 years. Obama has been president for (a long long) 2 years. Where did the jobs go?


Our beloved corporations sent them elsewhere in the never ending search for higher profits.

Yeah, why is that?

Oh yeah, because liberal Democrats and liberal Republicans have been putting so much unnecessary regulation and taxation on said companies, that they can no longer make a living in the United States.

So what would be the logical way to fix that:

Make more regulation and raise taxes to "punish" those "evil" corporations that actually want to make a living, or

eliminate the unnecessary regulations that are artificially pushing up costs and the over taxation making companies unprofitable and non-competitive in the global market.


The more you squeeze down on businesses, the more wealth our nation is going to lose. Allow freedom to persist, let the businesses create wealth, you will have more jobs and more tax revenue.

Unless, of course, you really dont want our nation creating wealth and our people to be employed.
 
Sorry, hon, it STAYS unless and until it reaches the Supreme Court.

Actually, no, it's already been voided.

They would have to ask for a stay at this point. Like you said, it's dead meat.

The judge doesn't have to issue a stay because voiding the law is the legal equivalent of the stay. The judge is opperating under the legal presumption that the executive branch is going to obey the law.

Now, the administration doesn't want to violate the law does it?
 
Actually, no, it's already been voided.

They would have to ask for a stay at this point. Like you said, it's dead meat.

The judge doesn't have to issue a stay because voiding the law is the legal equivalent of the stay. The judge is opperating under the legal presumption that the executive branch is going to obey the law.

Now, the administration doesn't want to violate the law does it?

They can't ask for a stay of the ruling until it's heard in higher court? I'm no lawyer.
 
Democrats were in the majority in the House for 4 years. Obama has been president for (a long long) 2 years. Where did the jobs go?


Our beloved corporations sent them elsewhere in the never ending search for higher profits.

Yeah, why is that?

Oh yeah, because liberal Democrats and liberal Republicans have been putting so much unnecessary regulation and taxation on said companies, that they can no longer make a living in the United States.

So what would be the logical way to fix that:

Make more regulation and raise taxes to "punish" those "evil" corporations that actually want to make a living, or

eliminate the unnecessary regulations that are artificially pushing up costs and the over taxation making companies unprofitable and non-competitive in the global market.


The more you squeeze down on businesses, the more wealth our nation is going to lose. Allow freedom to persist, let the businesses create wealth, you will have more jobs and more tax revenue.

Unless, of course, you really dont want our nation creating wealth and our people to be employed.


And of course, foreign workers making a fraction of their American counterparts has nothing to do with it.
 
The Federal Government is taking control of too many things that are States Rights according to the Constitution. The police won't go away, they are a state issue as should be road repair, education,health care and environmental protection. Make the Federal Government do ONLY that which the Constitution allows and all other things are the responsibility of the state. Eliminate all those departments and czars and we can lower taxes and encourage business to expand. Get the Federal Government out of the way and let Capitalism work. It's never failed us before
 
Jobs bill? Ok, here's your jobs bill:

Repeal Obamacare, lift the stupid moratorium on drilling, get rid of the EPA, Dept. of Energy, etc., lower corporate income taxes and stop attacking private indutry at every turn.

There's your jobs bill.

The moratorium on offshore drilling was lifted in October, and oil companies resumed drilling in January.

While I agree that EPA needs to scale back on many of their restrictive regulations, the agency itself is necessary to protect our resources. We just rent the space on Mother Earth and need to stop damaging it beyond repair.

Regarding the Energy Department, I'd like to see any private enterprise take on the entire cost of a nuclear power plant with no assistance from the government. Not only do they cost about $10 billion to construct, there's the cost of extracting uranium (once its found), enriching it, security, and of course where to put those pesky spent fuel rods. If there is another blowout in the Gulf, who will take care of the people who will lose their livelihood without the "Nanny State"?? As for coal production, how many neighborhoods are eager to have the industry in their back yards? (See EPA)

There have been a multitude of tax breaks provided for small businesses, including those regarding inventory depreciation extensions as part of the tax deal passed in December. As for corporate tax overhaul, Obama said in his State of the Union address that he will be considering such an overhaul, probably using the deficit panel suggestions as a foundation.
Obama Opens Door to Lower Corporate Tax Rates - WSJ.com

Maybe if you paid better attention to what actually goes on, you wouldn't be striking out aimlessly with incorrect assertions just to make yourself look smart.
 
Jobs bill? Ok, here's your jobs bill:

Repeal Obamacare, lift the stupid moratorium on drilling, get rid of the EPA, Dept. of Energy, etc., lower corporate income taxes and stop attacking private indutry at every turn.

There's your jobs bill.

That's what we need to do. Get rid of the EPA. Brilliant. Change America to look like this:

GD4058921@Beijing,-CHINA-A-Chin-7482.jpg

china-pollution.jpg

YangtzeRiverPollution1.jpg

Yeah, that's it.

:eusa_drool:

Yes, it is IT.

China's Yangtze river extensively polluted: study | Reuters
China's environment has suffered for years as the country has chased rapid economic growth, with little official attention given until recently to the threats of unfettered growth to the nation's air, water and soil.

Nearly comparable in miles, what do you think would happen to life in and along the Mississippi River if it was allowed to be as polluted as the Yangtze?
 
In November, soon to be Speaker Boehner and the ambitious Cantor knew they would soon have the power to set the agenda for the House of Representatives and the nation. Nearly 60 days have passed and no job bill has been offered, or to my knowledge discussed and shared with the American people.

hummm I see.

well riddle me this-

President Obama pivots to jobs as key theme

1/8/10 7:15 PM EDT


President Barack Obama on Friday made his promised hard pivot to jobs, following up the morning’s news about a 10 percent unemployment rate by announcing $2.3 billion in tax credits for clean-energy jobs.

“We have to continue to work every single day to get our economy moving again. For most Americans, for me, that means jobs,” Obama said.

“The job losses for the last quarter of 2009 were one-tenth of what we were experiencing the first quarter,” the president said. “The Recovery Act has been a major force in breaking the trajectory of this recession.”

The White House said that 183 projects in 43 states will create “tens of thousands of high quality clean energy jobs.” And the administration promised that the result of the new money would be domestic manufacturing of advanced clean energy technologies including solar, wind and efficiency and energy management technologies.

more at-
President Obama pivots to jobs as key theme - Mike Allen - POLITICO.com



so, to sum up, the reps have one half of the legislative branch and the ball is now in their court? uh huh.

while we are speaking of of disingenuousness , whats up with the deficit commission? you know, the end all be all that Obama touted for a year? whats his position on there findings EXACTLY and how we go forward?

Where was the budget for 2011? Ooops they didn't do one last year? Oh....










So far the social agenda has been the priority, while I understand paying back the social conservatives is important to the RNC, and providing lip service to the TP is necessary, why haven't Messrs. Boehner and Cantor discussed their ideas on job creation?



humm social issues...like DADT and the dream Act....are those the ones you mean?



Why have Cantor and USSC Justice Scalia met privately with the Kock brothers (for those not willfully ignorant I suggest strongly a review of thier business and family political history)?

boulderdash.....Link please.........( oh thats kocH but I suspect you knew that)
 
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My guess is dems need something with the title of "Jobs Bill" for them to understand.

No, they needed something that the JUSTSAYNO clowns could understand.

In the 111th Congress, these were specific jobs bills:

H.R. 1 (which they still insist didn't create any jobs)

S.3816
S.1733
 
Democrats were in the majority in the House for 4 years. Obama has been president for (a long long) 2 years. Where did the jobs go?

Thousands of articles have been written; a multitude of TV documentaries; hundreds of books regarding the economic crash that resulted in thousands of jobs lost. If you can't be bothered doing your own homework at this late date, I'm sure as hell not going to repeat for the umpteenth time a simplified explanation. But if you feel better blaming it all on Obama, then you go right ahead. :lol:
 
As you demonstrate a very poor understanding of economics, a proper explanation will be difficult to achieve. Here's a picture which summarizes the problem:

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Post WWII, Federal Spending has trended around 20% of the economy (with receipts trending between 18-19%). Obamanomics has increased that spending to 25% of the economy in less than 2 years, and is headed towards 30%. Receipts are not, and will not grow no matter how high they raise tax rates due to the fact that high taxes suppress economic activity - something DC consistently refuses to acknowledge in its budget models.

This level of government spending retards growth of the private sector due to the very simple concept of Opportunity Costs. Government is not an efficient investor of capital and does not create jobs. It allocates jobs (at a fractional multiplier) from one sector to another. By diverting that capital, the government prevents other, more productive jobs from being creating - the Opportunity Cost which, like the effect of high taxes, is not properly considered when the government scores its bloated programs.

The only way to create jobs is for the government to GET OUT OF THE WAY of the private sector.

Yeah, like that's worked so well before. Fewer jobs, less wages. Trickle down is non-existent, so you guys want to try it again?

http://www.tax.com/taxcom/taxblog.nsf/0971609221721415852572ac0067c130/ed6ea2d2bd49e267852577a80067043b/$FILE/Table_4.pdf


And here's a member of the Economic Illiterates Greek Chorus spewing yet more nonsense.

It wouldn't occur to you to consider how the tax code and regulatory bureaucracy has expanded over the decades to the point where small, entrepreneurial businesses are being suffocated. Net job creation is due to the small business sector. Period. End of story.

Pure crap. The Bush tax cuts were supposed to ease the "pain." Are you saying it didn't? Small businesses have had the exact same tax writeoffs available for years, and they still do. Here's a list of the most common ones.

Top Tax Deductions for Your Small Business - Free Legal Information - Nolo
 
Thank you for proving my point regarding your poor understanding of economics.

Now how about getting back to the classroom and brainwashing another generation of innocent children into being complacent tools of the state.

You post a personal attack because you're too stupid to explain with examples and evidence how the government getting out of the way benefits jobs creation as well as the economy, environment and the health of our people.
So, lets say government gets out of the way. The oldest profession flourishes, for there are no cops to prosecute prostitutes or their pimps, no prosecutors needed since no arrests are made and no free clinics to diagnose and treat STD's.
Want more examples? I can offer many, but making an argument to a willfully ignorant partisan ^$##@$^* makes no sense.
Have a nice day and thank you so much for sharing your opinion.

Nobody's calling for anarchy which is what you are illustrating, stop being so silly. What is meant by "getting out of the way" is the reduction in the amount of regs, the punitive taxation, the mandates, the reporting. You see, I am a CPA and have served as a CFO of mid-sized company. The reporting requirements, the endless surveys and census' forms, the endless amounts of insurance needed just to operate, the environmental studies required just to build a new plant, the forms, the never ending changes to W2's, 1099's, 940's, 941's, etc., the endless changes in withholding tables, amounts, SOX compliance, it is a nightmare. And you think that;s bad? Try taking a firm public. You have the SEC and various other agencies up your ass with a microscope.

Nobody's advocating eliminating the police... so get real.

So why can't you just say all that at the outset? Tax reform. Got it.

And you should have taken your company public when Chris Cox was Chairman of the SEC. Nobody would have even noticed if you just did it, and skipped the paperwork.
 
As you demonstrate a very poor understanding of economics, a proper explanation will be difficult to achieve. Here's a picture which summarizes the problem:

4956763771_b3b7b9fe05.jpg



Post WWII, Federal Spending has trended around 20% of the economy (with receipts trending between 18-19%). Obamanomics has increased that spending to 25% of the economy in less than 2 years, and is headed towards 30%. Receipts are not, and will not grow no matter how high they raise tax rates due to the fact that high taxes suppress economic activity - something DC consistently refuses to acknowledge in its budget models.

This level of government spending retards growth of the private sector due to the very simple concept of Opportunity Costs. Government is not an efficient investor of capital and does not create jobs. It allocates jobs (at a fractional multiplier) from one sector to another. By diverting that capital, the government prevents other, more productive jobs from being creating - the Opportunity Cost which, like the effect of high taxes, is not properly considered when the government scores its bloated programs.

The only way to create jobs is for the government to GET OUT OF THE WAY of the private sector.

I love simple explanations of extremely complex issues. And using statistics and graphs explains nothing without contex.
What you are saying is taxes and regulations kill business. My answer is that 'burden' can and is mitigted by special interest legislation provided to business and industry by both Democrats and Republicans. Business and industry rely on government for much of its business.
Look at the Miliatry Industrial complex; who is their customer?
Look at Big Farma, without regulations and subsidies food prices would drop from overproduction, soon crops would be left to rot in the fields. Then what, famine and higher prices.
Who built the highways and railroads which move our goods and services? Contractors paid for by taxes by the government.
Small business; restaurants, dry cleaners, hardware stores, ice cream stores, etc. etc. rely on employed Americans to have income sufficient to frequent their business.
In one respect the solution to this complex problem is simple: Jobs. How jobs are created is the object of controversy and should be debated.
Sadly, the New Right has been convinced that there is only one way for jobs to be created in America; there is no proof or evidence that government getting out of the way produces anything but low-paying jobs with few benefits (research the pay and benefits of a Wal-Mart employee).
Plutocracy anyone? Sure, vote for the GOP (Grow our Plutocracy) party.



Thank you for proving my point regarding your poor understanding of economics.

Now how about getting back to the classroom and brainwashing another generation of innocent children into being complacent tools of the state.

Now that really is funny. Right wingers have this bizarre view of government which is especially confusing since they endanger tens of thousands of Americans in disastrous attempts to ship it overseas. Get it? They hate it here, but insist everyone overseas have it.

If we force it on Iraq, it's called "liberation". But to trust it here means you are being "complacent tools of the state". As if a government made up of US citizens is somehow a shadowy cabal.

So why the lack of "trust"? Well look who Republicans vote into office. Boehner, a man who passes out bribes on the house floor. Issa, a man with a troubling past who asks business how we should screw America? The list goes on and on. The apology to BP.
The drive to remove the EPA and turn America into a cess pool. The constant, incessant attacks on the president.

And that is really the bottom line? White Republicans are terrified. "We want OUR country back". The endless threads attacking minorities. Business has bought Republican politicians. The right wing base feels that if we can get rid of the black guy in the WHITE House, the cost doesn't matter. Well, it does. They will find that out too late.
 
what the hell is JOBS BILL?

And the First order of Business the people who voted in the Republicans with this last election has been to take on the TAKEOVER of our health care by this commie administration.

They better stay with it if they want to KEEP THEIR JOBS.

Sorry, hon, it STAYS unless and until it reaches the Supreme Court.

Actually, no, it's already been voided.

OH really? :lol: One part has been voided, and others probably will too. But the bill itself will stand.
 
No, the entire bill is voided due to the lack of a severability clause.

Pelosi and Reid left that out on purpose in order to buy votes.
 
You post a personal attack because you're too stupid to explain with examples and evidence how the government getting out of the way benefits jobs creation as well as the economy, environment and the health of our people.
So, lets say government gets out of the way. The oldest profession flourishes, for there are no cops to prosecute prostitutes or their pimps, no prosecutors needed since no arrests are made and no free clinics to diagnose and treat STD's.
Want more examples? I can offer many, but making an argument to a willfully ignorant partisan ^$##@$^* makes no sense.
Have a nice day and thank you so much for sharing your opinion.

Nobody's calling for anarchy which is what you are illustrating, stop being so silly. What is meant by "getting out of the way" is the reduction in the amount of regs, the punitive taxation, the mandates, the reporting. You see, I am a CPA and have served as a CFO of mid-sized company. The reporting requirements, the endless surveys and census' forms, the endless amounts of insurance needed just to operate, the environmental studies required just to build a new plant, the forms, the never ending changes to W2's, 1099's, 940's, 941's, etc., the endless changes in withholding tables, amounts, SOX compliance, it is a nightmare. And you think that;s bad? Try taking a firm public. You have the SEC and various other agencies up your ass with a microscope.

Nobody's advocating eliminating the police... so get real.


Indeed.

At one of my small companies, we underwent an EEOC audit. The "auditor" harassed us because of the four people in HR, none of them were men.

Why on earth we need the Federal Government to scrutinize the gender of an HR staff consisting of FOUR PEOPLE is inexplicable.

If you own companies (plural), you sure do have an inordinate amount of extra time to spend yaking on a message board. And I don't believe your harrassment bullshit either.
 
Sorry, hon, it STAYS unless and until it reaches the Supreme Court.

Actually, no, it's already been voided.

They would have to ask for a stay at this point. Like you said, it's dead meat.

WTF are you talking about? Two federal courts have ruled the Health Reform bill constitutional and two have ruled it unconstitutional. Until someone brings an action in the United States Supreme Court for a ruling, the bill stands. Congress can try again and again to repeal the whole thing, but they won't succeed except in parts. Get it?
 

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