Jimmy Carter's Op-Ed On Gaza War

[Orange_Juice]

Jimmy Carter - An Unnecessary War - washingtonpost.com

Excellent work as usual. He really gets to the issue.

After visiting Sderot last April and seeing the serious psychological damage caused by the rockets that had fallen in that area, my wife, Rosalynn, and I declared their launching from Gaza to be inexcusable and an act of terrorism. Although casualties were rare (three deaths in seven years), the town was traumatized by the unpredictable explosions. About 3,000 residents had moved to other communities, and the streets, playgrounds and shopping centers were almost empty. Mayor Eli Moyal assembled a group of citizens in his office to meet us and complained that the government of Israel was not stopping the rockets, either through diplomacy or military action.

Knowing that we would soon be seeing Hamas leaders from Gaza and also in Damascus, we promised to assess prospects for a cease-fire. From Egyptian intelligence chief Omar Suleiman, who was negotiating between the Israelis and Hamas, we learned that there was a fundamental difference between the two sides. Hamas wanted a comprehensive cease-fire in both the West Bank and Gaza, and the Israelis refused to discuss anything other than Gaza.

We knew that the 1.5 million inhabitants of Gaza were being starved, as the U.N. special rapporteur on the right to food had found that acute malnutrition in Gaza was on the same scale as in the poorest nations in the southern Sahara, with more than half of all Palestinian families eating only one meal a day.

Palestinian leaders from Gaza were noncommittal on all issues, claiming that rockets were the only way to respond to their imprisonment and to dramatize their humanitarian plight. The top Hamas leaders in Damascus, however, agreed to consider a cease-fire in Gaza only, provided Israel would not attack Gaza and would permit normal humanitarian supplies to be delivered to Palestinian citizens.

 

[WillowTree]

Would somebody ask Mr. Effen Carter why the Hamas's are so effen good at smuggling weapons into Gaza but cannot seem to smuggle any food in to feed the starving in Gazaland? Please!

 

[auditor0007]

Would somebody ask Mr. Effen Carter why the Hamas's are so effen good at smuggling weapons into Gaza but cannot seem to smuggle any food in to feed the starving in Gazaland? Please!

Weapons are cheaper?

 

[DiveCon]

Weapons are cheaper?

nope

 

[DavidS]

Would somebody ask Mr. Effen Carter why the Hamas's are so effen good at smuggling weapons into Gaza but cannot seem to smuggle any food in to feed the starving in Gazaland? Please!

You can't kill a Jew by lobbing food at them. Then again, has anyone here ever tried Arab food?

 

[Avatar4321]

Would somebody ask Mr. Effen Carter why the Hamas's are so effen good at smuggling weapons into Gaza but cannot seem to smuggle any food in to feed the starving in Gazaland? Please!

Or maybe ask him why they dont decide to, say, grow their own food rather than planning mass genocide of their neighbors.

 

[DiamondDave]

Jimmy Carter on foreign relations...


Kind of like listening to John Wayne Gacy talk about child care, child rearing, and daycare policies

 

[BlackAsCoal]

Jimmy Carter is anti-semitic .. so is the Red Cross .. so is the Pope and the Vatican .. so is the entire world.

Israel has never done anything wrong.

Moronic to the nth degree.

 

[jillian]

What's moronic is trying to pretend that someone who hates you doesn't.... maube we should ask pat buchanan his opinion on what's good for black america.

For those with eyes to see, there were hints as far back as the 1976 presidential campaign of the trouble to come. Early that year, Harper's magazine published "Jimmy Carter's Pathetic Lies," a devastating exposé of Carter's record in Georgia by a then little-known journalist named Steven Brill.

Reg Murphy, who as editor of the Atlanta Constitution had kept a close eye on Carter's rise in state politics, declared, "Jimmy Carter is one of the three or four phoniest men I ever met."

Speechwriter Bob Shrum quit the Carter campaign after just a few weeks, disgusted with what he described as Carter's penchant for fudging the truth. He also related that Carter, convinced the Jewish vote in the Democratic primaries would go to Senator Henry ("Scoop") Jackson, had instructed his staff not to issue any more statements on the Middle East.

"Jackson has all the Jews anyway," Shrum quoted Carter as saying. "We get the Christians."

Relations between Carter and Israel were tense from the outset of the Carter presidency. Carter's hostility was evident to Israeli foreign minister Moshe Dayan, who in his memoir Breakthrough described a July 1977 White House meeting between Carter and Israeli officials. "You are more stubborn than the Arabs, and you put obstacles on the path to peace,'' an angry Carter scolded Dayan and his colleagues.
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"Our talk," Dayan wrote, "lasted more than an hour and was most unpleasant. President Carter ... launched charge after charge against Israel."

On October 1, 1977, the U.S. and the Soviet Union unexpectedly issued a joint statement on the Middle East calling for an Arab-Israeli peace conference in Geneva, with the participation of Palestinian representatives. The communiqué marked the first time the U.S. officially employed the phrase "legitimate rights of the Palestinian people."

Reaction in the U.S. was immediate and furious. "[A] political firestorm erupted," wrote historian Steven Spiegel. "After American officials had worked successfully for years to reduce Russian influence over the Mideast peace process and in the area as whole, critics could not understand why the administration had suddenly invited Moscow to return."

Egyptian President Anwar Sadat, who five years earlier had expelled thousands of Soviet military advisers from Egypt, neither liked nor trusted the Russians, and decided to kill the U.S.-Soviet initiative in the womb. His decision to go to Jerusalem to address the Knesset electrified the world and caught the Carter administration completely off guard.

Eventually the U.S. would broker what became known as the Camp David Accords and oversee the signing of the 1979 Egyptian-Israeli peace treaty. But Carter was far from a dispassionate third party. His disdain for Israeli prime minister Menachem Begin and near hero-worship of Sadat were clearly reflected in his demeanor and has informed nearly everything he's written on the Middle East since leaving office.

In The Unfinished Presidency, his book about Carter's post-White House activities, the liberal historian Douglas Brinkley provides a detailed account of the former president's obsession with helping Palestinian terror chief Yasir Arafat polish his image. Carter, according to Brinkley, regularly advised Arafat on how to shape his message for Western journalists and even wrote some speeches for him.

Carter was also a vocal critic of Israeli policies and "view[ed] the unarmed young Palestinians who stood up against thousands of Israel soldiers as 'instant heroes,' " wrote Brinkley. "Buoyed by the intifada, Carter passed on to the Palestinians, through Arafat, his congratulations."

Former New York mayor Ed Koch, in his 1984 bestseller Mayor, recounted a conversation he had shortly before the 1980 election with Cyrus Vance, who'd recently resigned as Carter's secretary of state. Koch told Vance that many Jews would not be voting for Carter because they feared "that if he is reelected he will sell them out."

"Vance," recalled Koch, "nodded and said, 'He will.' "

In Dangerous Liaison: The Inside Story of the U.S.-Israeli Covert Relationship, Andrew and Leslie Cockburn revealed that during a March 1980 meeting with his senior political advisers, Carter, discussing his fading reelection prospects and his sinking approval rating in the Jewish community, snapped, "If I get back in, I'm going to [expletive] the Jews."

Carter - such was the country's good fortune - did not get back in. But as evidenced by his years of pro-Palestinian advocacy, reams of anti-Israel op-ed articles, and the release last week of his latest book/screed, Palestine Peace Not Apartheid, he's been trying to [expletive] the Jews ever since.

Jimmy Carter's Jewish Problem,Jason Maoz, <i>Senior Editor</i>

 

[jillian]

Jimmy Carter's Jewish Problem

By Deborah Lipstadt
Saturday, January 20, 2007; Page A23

It is hard to criticize an icon. Jimmy Carter's humanitarian work has saved countless lives. Yet his life has also been shaped by the Bible, where the Hebrew prophets taught us to speak truth to power. So I write.

Carter's book "Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid," while exceptionally sensitive to Palestinian suffering, ignores a legacy of mistreatment, expulsion and murder committed against Jews. It trivializes the murder of Israelis. Now, facing a storm of criticism, he has relied on anti-Semitic stereotypes in defense.
One cannot ignore the Holocaust's impact on Jewish identity and the history of the Middle East conflict. When an Ahmadinejad or Hamas threatens to destroy Israel, Jews have historical precedent to believe them. Jimmy Carter either does not understand this or considers it irrelevant.

His book, which dwells on the Palestinian refugee experience, makes two fleeting references to the Holocaust. The book contains a detailed chronology of major developments necessary for the reader to understand the current situation in the Middle East. Remarkably, there is nothing listed between 1939 and 1947. Nitpickers might say that the Holocaust did not happen in the region. However, this event sealed in the minds of almost all the world's people then the need for the Jewish people to have a Jewish state in their ancestral homeland. Carter never discusses the Jewish refugees who were prevented from entering Palestine before and after the war. One of Israel's first acts upon declaring statehood was to send ships to take those people "home."

A guiding principle of Israel is that never again will persecuted Jews be left with no place to go. Israel's ideal of Jewish refuge is enshrined in laws that grant immediate citizenship to any Jew who requests it. A Jew, for purposes of this law, is anyone who, had that person lived in Nazi Germany, would have been stripped of citizenship by the Nuremberg Laws.

Compare Carter's approach with that of Rashid Khalidi, head of Columbia University's Middle East Institute and a professor of Arab studies there. His recent book "The Iron Cage" contains more than a dozen references to the seminal place the Holocaust and anti-Semitism hold in the Israeli worldview. This from a Palestinian who does not cast himself as an evenhanded negotiator.

In contrast, by almost ignoring the Holocaust, Carter gives inadvertent comfort to those who deny its importance or even its historical reality, in part because it helps them deny Israel's right to exist. This from the president who signed the legislation creating the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum.

Carter's minimization of the Holocaust is compounded by his recent behavior. On MSNBC in December, he described conditions for Palestinians as "one of the worst examples of human rights deprivation" in the world. When the interviewer asked "Worse than Rwanda?" Carter said that he did not want to discuss the "ancient history" of Rwanda.

To give Carter the benefit of the doubt, let's say that he meant an ongoing crisis. Is the Palestinians' situation equivalent to Darfur, which our own government has branded genocide?

Carter has repeatedly fallen back -- possibly unconsciously -- on traditional anti-Semitic canards. In the Los Angeles Times last month, he declared it"politically suicide" for a politician to advocate a "balanced position" on the crisis. On Al-Jazeera TV, he dismissed the critique of his book by declaring that "most of the condemnations of my book came from Jewish-American organizations." Jeffrey Goldberg, who lambasted the book in The Post last month, writes for the New Yorker. Ethan Bronner, who in the New York Times called the book "a distortion," is the Times' deputy foreign editor. Slate's Michael Kinsley declared it "moronic." Dennis Ross, who was chief negotiator on the conflict in the administrations of George H.W. Bush and Bill Clinton, described the book as a rewriting and misrepresentation of history. Alan Dershowitz teaches at Harvard and Ken Stein at Emory. Both have criticized the book. Because of the book's inaccuracies and imbalance and Carter's subsequent behavior, 14 members of the Carter Center's Board of Councilors have resigned -- many in anguish because they so respect Carter's other work. All are Jews. Does that invalidate their criticism -- and mine -- or render us representatives of Jewish organizations?

On CNN, Carter bemoaned the "tremendous intimidation in our country that has silenced" the media. Carter has appeared on C-SPAN, "Larry King Live" and "Meet the Press," among many shows. When a caller to C-SPAN accused Carter of anti-Semitism, the host cut him off. Who's being silenced?

Deborah Lipstadt - Jimmy Carter's Jewish Problem - washingtonpost.com

 

[SwingVoter]

What's moronic is trying to pretend that someone who hates you doesn't.

it's also moronic to confuse a fool with a racist

Carter was an ineffective, conflicted President, and remains an ineffective, conflicted ex-President. He thinks there's a government, UN, or Red Cross solution to every humanitarian problem, whether the victims are Jews, Palestinians, Africans, or otherwise. He's a naive dumb fuck, but his intentions are very pure.

 

[BlackAsCoal]

What's moronic is trying to pretend that someone who hates you doesn't.... maube we should ask pat buchanan his opinion on what's good for black america.

I read Pat Buchanan .. he often has interesting things to say. Barking up the wrong tree sister.

But if you and I can get beyond the histeronics just for a moment (before we get back to slapping each other) .. since you related this to the black experience, one lesson that has always proved true, and one I live by and teach .. don't cry racism when it isn't there. Don't pretend that everyone is your enemy.

Talk about Buchanan .. one of my civil rights heroes is conservative Senator Everett Dirksen .. without whom, republicans may not have signed the Civil Rights Bill. Everyone on the right is not my enemy and everyone on the left is not my friend.

And, if you'll scroll back through this thread .. take a look at who attacks with vulgar first. I ain't me .. it's never me.

The questions I've asked are questions that are being asked everywhere .. and I've posted the comments of Jewish people to avoid the inevitable "jew-hater" bullshit .. that you sometimes drift into yourself. I hate jews .. because I agree with JEWS? How in the fuck does that work?

I've been posting here long enough for you to know that I do not hate Jews .. and you've acknowledged that before.

I hate Jews? .. Did I just put Einstein in my sig to make a point or has he been there since the day I joined this board? Have I been quoting and speaking of some of my favorite philosophers, like Einstein, Chomsky, and Zinn just to make a point today, or could I actually honor their thoughts?

I can enjoy a few well-placed obscenities and chuckle-head mischaracterizations as much as the the next guy .. or gal .. but I'd much rather engage in serious intellectual debate free of the rancor. Irrespective of which side one takes on this issue, it is undoubtedly being discussed all over the world and will undoubtedly impact this country and our effectiveness to do business around the world .. AND is going to be the first global test of an Obama Administration .. unless, as I predict, peace agreement is reached before Jan. 20. That would be typical of Israel/American tactics .. which if you like I can demonstrate .. AND, perfectly in sync with the timing of when this was done.

However, if all the board has is cartoonish attacks and evasion of intellectual discussion .. well, I can understand that too.

 

[BlackAsCoal]

it's also moronic to confuse a fool with a racist

Carter was an ineffective, conflicted President, and remains an ineffective, conflicted ex-President. He thinks there's a government, UN, or Red Cross solution to every humanitarian problem, whether the victims are Jews, Palestinians, Africans, or otherwise. He's a naive dumb fuck, but his intentions are very pure.

Well said.

 

[Paulie]

What's moronic is trying to pretend that someone who hates you doesn't.... maube we should ask pat buchanan his opinion on what's good for black america.

There is no "black America", there is only a United States of America.

Remember?

 

[Orange_Juice]

Carter offers an excellent analysis of the situation. He is one trusted voice that can rise about the pro-Irsarel lobby that dominates the media here. Hell, even Israel's media is more fair and balanced than our media.

We are lucky to have a Carter

 

[WillowTree]

Well doya feel lucky? Well, doya?

 

[DiamondDave]

Carter offers an excellent analysis of the situation. He is one trusted voice that can rise about the pro-Irsarel lobby that dominates the media here. Hell, even Israel's media is more fair and balanced than our media.

We are lucky to have a Carter

Carter's voice 'trusted' in terms of foreign policy and foreign politics...

Truly laughable...

The worst President in the past 100 years in terms of foreign policy being a trusted voice.... Oh.. my sides are splitting

 

[DiamondDave]

What next.. Bubba Clinton being a 'trusted voice' with an OP ED about marital fidelity??? Charles Manson being a 'trusted voice' on actions for race relations??? George W. Bush being a 'trusted voice' on appealing to left wing voters?? The Pope being a 'trusted voice' as a sex coach and therapist?

 

[Orange_Juice]

Carter's voice 'trusted' in terms of foreign policy and foreign politics...

Truly laughable...

The worst President in the past 100 years in terms of foreign policy being a trusted voice.... Oh.. my sides are splitting

Worst President? Wow, did you miss the Bush years?

Carter created a lasting peace between Eqypt and Israel, something of insurmoutable value to the Jews and the whole region. Just an amazing accomplishment

 

[xsited1]

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