Jim DeMint says health care will be Obama's Waterloo.

[Political Junky]

Naturally the mainstream RNC leadership is backing away from DeMint's foolish utterances.

they understand that most Americans are sick to death of the health care crises.

They understand that fixing the HC problem is part of the solution to the whole economic mess we're in, too.

Everybody with a clue knows the problem needs to be solved, but from my perspective nobody is yet willing to acknowledge that the problem isn't soluble until we rethink the profit motive in HC delivery.

no! what most of us understand is that you have no viable way to pay for it, and most of us also know that the democwats refuse to take the illegal aliens outta the mix,, we will be forced to pay for 1/2 of mexico too,, that's what we understand.

Why didn't Bush solve the illegal alien situation in his 8 years?

 

[Fatality]

just contacted my elected reps and told them to vote no on all government run health care scams! I encourage you to do the same.

 

[Fatality]

Naturally the mainstream RNC leadership is backing away from DeMint's foolish utterances.


Everybody with a clue knows the problem needs to be solved, but from my perspective nobody is yet willing to acknowledge that the problem isn't soluble until we rethink the profit motive in HC delivery.

no! what most of us understand is that you have no viable way to pay for it, and most of us also know that the democwats refuse to take the illegal aliens outta the mix,, we will be forced to pay for 1/2 of mexico too,, that's what we understand.

Why didn't Bush solve the illegal alien situation in his 8 years?

because he fucked up thats why, he thinks open borders for illegals to crawl across was a good thing, so did john mccain see where it got him?

 

[Fatality]

The simple reason that we are moving towards government run healthcare is due to the fact that the private system we currently have is a massive failure.

its a failure if you want your new daddy obama to do it for you becasue youre to goddamned lazy to do for yourself.

 

[Fatality]

. It's like saying you're not going to carry home owners insurance and that if your home is destroyed by fire or something else, you'll just pay for a new one out of pocket.

its called freedom of choice

 

[auditor0007]

The simple reason that we are moving towards government run healthcare is due to the fact that the private system we currently have is a massive failure.

its a failure if you want your new daddy obama to do it for you becasue youre to goddamned lazy to do for yourself.

No, I want private industry to quit fucking people out of their insurance options everytime they get a chance asshole. Take your Daddy Obama and shove him up your ass. I'm sick of you God Damn idiots having one solution for everything. If someone can't get health insurance it is obviously their fault, so they we should eat shit and die. One fucking moron after another with the same self-righteous attitude until something bad happens to them and they get screwed too.

If we didn't have 50 million uninsured, with that number heading toward 100 million very soon, and costs weren't completely spiraling out of control, there would be no need for a public option. But the insurance companies have forced this situation by not addressing their own shortcomings. They are not in the business of helping Americans when it comes to their health. They're only reason for existing is to make money, and the two do not go hand in hand.

But all you simpletons keep thinking that anyone that can't get insurance is just some lazy fuck who doesn't deserve it. Again, instead of being intelligent enough to understand the real problem and come up with some real solutions, you just keep spewing the same stupid shit. And that is exactly why the government is stepping in. Go figure; damn geniuses are a dime a dozen around here.

 

[Liability]

AUDIO Of Jim DeMint Saying Health Care Will Be Obama’s “Waterloo” | The Plum Line

The audio adds a harsh overtone, even stridency, to the quote, and as such, it’s likely to find its way into ads pummeling Republicans as obstructionist:

DeMint said:

“If we’re able to stop Obama on this it will be his Waterloo. It will break him.”

Obama himself just responded to DeMint, saying the following:

“This isn’t about me. This isn’t about politics. This about a health care system that is breaking America’s families, breaking America’s businesses and breaking America’s economy. And we can’t afford the politics of delay and defeat when it comes to health care. Not this time, not now. There are too many lives and livelihoods at stake.”

You’d think maybe DeMint’s quote could end up being a Waterloo of sorts, wouldn’t you?

Politically speaking, it would be wonderful if the health care issue DOES become President Obama's Waterloo. Wishing for this President to fail is perfectly reasonable. Working to help that happen is a great idea.

I have yet to see any rational answer from supporters of the Obama Administration health plan who can explain why it has to get passed in such a hurry when -- by its terms -- it will not be going into effect until 2013. Doesn't that justify slowing things down a little bit and -- gee, maybe -- READING and debating the merits of the bill before cramming it through Congress?

Well, after it is passed, we can amend it so that it can go in effect much sooner. And then make it into a real single payer system.

Yes, you are going to oppose anything that would make this a better nation. That is a given. People like you would rather bomb children over there than give them health care over here. You hope that the Second Great Republican Depression will become a fact, so you can blame President Obama. You hope that the present economically ruinous Health Care system continues because it makes some people very rich while bankrupting hundreds of thousands of Americans yearly. What a sweet fellow you are.

Why would you have to pass a "plan" that needs to be promptly amended to make it operational years earlier? Maybe, if that thinking is part of the "plan," it would make more "sense" to make it operational by its own terms in the BILL itself, the first time around.

I do not oppose a plan that would make this a better nation. The "plan" envisioned by THIS horrid piece of proposed legislation would NOT do so, however. It would be part of a series of things initiated by President Obama which will cumulatively be the ruination of the Republic.

People like me -- including me -- have no desire to bomb any children anywhere. The fact that you toss out your baseless accusations and lies so casually says a great deal about you. None of it's good.

And we already provide health care to pretty much anybody who is in need of it -- at taxpayer expense. Our system is far from perfect, but it a whole lot better than the imbecility the Obama Administration seeks.

You really have nothing to say in your petty little polemics other than to state and re-state endlessly, in an idiot's loop, your own liberal agenda. You offer no support for the dopey things you embrace, however. You will not appreciate why, but the fact that you cannot and do not offer support for your agenda and "plans" is quite revealing.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Why Obamacare Can't Work: The Calculation Argument - Gabriel E. Vidal - Mises Institute

We can categorize Obama's major solutions to the healthcare crisis as follows:

1.

Payment reform. Change how providers are paid by bundling payments so they team up to treat episode of care or illness. Pay for quality outcomes.
2.

Knowledge reform. Invest in examining and disseminating knowledge of what treatments are more cost effective and clinically effective to cut costs.
3.

Information-technology reform. Upgrade medical records from paper to electronic. This will avoid duplication of tests, track information from doctor to doctor, lower administrative costs, improve doctors' productivity, and reduce medical errors.
4.

Insurance reform. Make the purchase of health insurance mandatory for everyone. Eliminate preexisting-condition waivers and insurance companies' ability to "cherry-pick" whom to cover. Introduce an affordable public option for individuals in order to inject competition into the marketplace to keep private insurance companies honest.

Obama assures us that this is not government-run healthcare, that this is not a single-payer system, that the only consequence to these reforms is that healthcare will cost less and that anybody who denies this is misleading or does not understand the facts. Without his reform, he insists, costs will grow unsustainably, which will threaten reimbursements and the stability of the healthcare system.

Unfortunately, since Obama uses faulty logic to diagnose the problem, his solutions will only make matters worse faster. The correct framework within which to diagnose the problem is to admit that costs are out of control because they do not reflect prices created by the voluntary exchange between patients and providers, between customers and producers, like every well-functioning industry.

Instead, health costs reflect the distortions that government regulators have introduced through reimbursement mechanisms created by command-and-control bureaucracies at federal and state levels.

The Health Czar Can't Calculate - Gabriel E. Vidal - Mises Institute

Experts agree that our healthcare system is unsustainable and in need of reform to promote better coordination, accountability, outcomes, and cost effectiveness.[1] Regrettably, they also seem to agree that we need a robust central-planning authority — a health czar — to make this coordination happen.

But as economist Ludwig von Mises proved in his 1920 treatise "Economic Calculation in the Socialist Commonwealth,"[2] under central planning any rational economic calculation, that is, any method to efficiently allocate resources, is practically and theoretically impossible — not just of higher cost, lower quality, and reduced innovation; not just uncoordinated, inefficient, and ineffective; but literally impossible

In practice, a health czar would have to evaluate the quality, revenue, and cost of complex production processes, and billions of healthcare goods, services, hospitals, pharmacies, nursing homes, surgery centers, diagnostic centers, laboratories, outpatient clinics, home health agencies, hospices, long-term-acute-care hospitals, ambulances, patients, physicians, nurses, therapists, and clinicians, all across geography and across time. The health czar must therefore consider an almost infinite number of permutations in order to correctly allocate trillions of dollars.

There are two reasons why it is theoretically impossible for the health czar to arrive at meaningful prices. First, contrary to popular belief, costs of production do not determine prices of goods. Prices are determined by the instantaneous valuations made by consumers and producers bidding against one another.

The second reason why it is theoretically impossible for a health czar to price services is that prices in a market economy are continually, instantaneously, and simultaneously created, destroyed, and recreated by the individual subjective valuations of consumers and producers facing the passage of time.

Do yourselves a favor and read, that's right actually read these articles.

Please do not emulate our esteemed "representatives" and not read what they claim to be of the utmost importance.

 

[EriktheRed]

Sen. DeMint ain't the only one:

Sen. George Voinovich (R-Ohio) appeared on CNBC's "Squawk Box" this morning for the kind of softball interview one might ordinarily associate with Fox News. One of the two hosts, for example, thanked the Republican "for his leadership" because "we're headed off a fiscal cliff."

The interview wrapped up with this interesting exchange.

Host: Senator, one question, before we go, on health care. How much of this disagreement with the administration is about the policy of health care and how to fix it, and how much of it is Republicans' obviously understandable desire to declaw the president politically. How much does that fit into the equation?

Voinovich: I think it's probably 50-50.

Putting aside the obvious slant of the question, Voinovich's candid response was nevertheless interesting. At least half of the Republican opposition to health care reform, according to a sitting Republican senator, is nothing more than partisan politics.

Good to know.

 

[Richard-H]

What the dumb ass Republicans refuse to acknowledge is that whatever the cost of Universal health care may be, it will be negligible compared to the cost of NOT having universal health care.

Health Care in the U.S. has degenerated to massive systematic theivery. The time to change that is NOW. Yes, the new system will have it's own set of problems, but if we are ever going to achieve decent quality at reasonable cost we have to start sometime.

The greatest mistake being made now is that the Democrats aren't going full tilt for socialized health care. Given the huge number of industrialized countries that have successful socialized health care, these could be used as models for building a very successful socialized health care system here in the U.S.

Unfortunately, the Democrats have chosen not to 'rock the boat' too much and the result may very well be a half-assed system that ultimately fails.

They ought to rethink this before it's too late.

 

[Liability]

What the dumb ass Republicans refuse to acknowledge is that whatever the cost of Universal health care may be, it will be negligible compared to the cost of NOT having universal health care.

A completely irrational, baseless and absurd thing to claim. You have not the foggiest notion of the massive costs involved in the hideously complicated propsed legislation. Accordingly, you cannot have any valid basis for your claim.

The truth is, we already cannot afford all the spending and debt that President Obama has sought and gotten passed. Adding this monstrosity to it will be just that much more completely ruinous. It is absolute insanity to rush headlong into this.

What we SHOULD be doing is clamoring to get our damn elected legislators in the House and the Senate to annul all of the recently passed legislation regarding spending and debt. And they DAMN sure shouldn't pass this health care insanity.

 

[EriktheRed]

Participating in a town hall in Fayetteville, Ark., the first stop of Heritage Action's planned nine-city tour to promote the effort to defund Obamacare, DeMint was asked why Republicans should push legislation to gut the new federal health care law "when we know that President Obama won't sign it."

"Well, we don't know that, do we?" DeMint replied.

Jim DeMint: 'We Don't Know' If Obama Will Sign Bill To Defund Obamacare (AUDIO) | TPM LiveWire


Hard to believe it's been 4 years since then.