jihad vs zionism. which has killed more and which is the biggest threat now?

I will post in a little bit, let people get some thoughts in first if they want.

No question.

August 19, 2005

Fitzgerald: Telling the truth about India

Jihad Watch's Hugh Fitzgerald sheds the light of truth on another subject about which there is a great deal of misinformation and disinformation: the treatment of Hindus (and Sikhs) by Muslims in India.

In sheer numbers, no group of Believers has suffered from Islam like the Hindus. It is amazing that few Indian-Americans, and few Indo-British, seem to know the history of their own ancestors and of what the Muslim conquest -- or perhaps one should say the Early Conquest and then the Later Conquest -- did to India, which Naipaul accurately described as a "wounded civilization." K. S. Lal writes of the 60-70 million Hindu victims murdered by their Muslim masters. When those Muslim masters ceased the mass killings, it was not out of any sense of mercy, but only to extort the jizya from people who would now be treated in a manner akin to Jews and Christians: dhimmis who would be allowed to live, but would be subject to a series of economic, political, and social disabilities that guaranteed a permanent status of degradation, humiliation, and physical insecurity.

There are those who are morally indifferent to how the Mughal conquerors ruled, or to what happened to the Hindus (or the Sikhs). One thinks of the deplorable William Dalrymple (who is apparently not deplorable enough for the TLS to cease assigning him books to review on the subject) in his popular accounts of the luxury and love-intrigue at Mughal courts, or that other, more scholarly apologist for Islam, Francis Robinson. A number of factors have contributed to the indifference of Hindu intellectuals in India, and outside India, to the real nature of Islam

. For the first, there is the common desire to ape the attitudes of so-called intellectuals in London and New York. It would not do, it does not do, to be too exercised about Islam. And of course, all things pertaining to Hindutva, to a sense of Indian nationalism connected to Hinduism, is mocked in the world, though it offers not the slightest threat or menace (unlike Islam) to anyone – anyone, that is, but the Muslims who continue to procreate and "gain market-share" as a percentage of the population in India, even as they harry or persecute or murder the Hindus and Sikhs in Pakistan and Bangladesh and, whenever they can, in Kashmir and elsewhere in India.

The astounding ignorance of Indian history that one finds in the Western world, and the supplanting of that history by the ooohing and aahing over Mughal emperors, should stick in everyone's craw. And some sympathetic attention to the claims of Hindus to Hindustan, an

d to the other non-Muslim populations in that most naturally tolerant of civilizations, should be given in Western universities and in the Western media. Even those newspapers in the Western world that are aimed at an Indian immigrant audience tend to pull their punches about Islam, or perhaps ignore the subject altogether (save in a few cases where the readership is definitely Hindu or Hindu and Sikh).

This is done, one supposes, because the newspaper owners do not wish to alienate Muslim Indians in the West who might also read the paper, even if it means ignoring the major issue of our time and possibly of our century

: the issue of the world-wide Jihad, from which Indian civilization suffered, and from which Hindus and Sikhs in Pakistan, Bangladesh, India itself (including Indian Kashmir), and now in Great Britain, also suffer. Hindus and Sikhs in Britain, having come to the West with its freedoms and opportunities, and who once here have not given any occasion for alarm or offense, now find themselves, thousands of miles from India, subject yet again to the implacable hatred and menace of Islam.
 
Historian Benny Morris...
In defiance of the will of the international community, as embodied in the UN General Assembly Resolution of November 29th, 1947 (No. 181), they [Arabs] hostilities against the Jewish community in Palestine in the hope of aborting the emergence of the Jewish state and perhaps destroying that community. But they lost; and one of the results was the displacement of 700,000 of them from their homes.

...on the local level, in dozens of localities around Palestine, Arab leaders advised or ordered the evacuation of women and children or whole communities, as occurred in Haifa in late April, 1948. And Haifa's Jewish mayor, Shabtai Levy, did, on April 22nd, plead with them to stay, to no avail.

Most of Palestine's 700,000 "refugees" fled their homes because of the flail of war (and in the expectation that they would shortly return to their homes on the backs of victorious Arab invaders). But it is also true that there were several dozen sites, including Lydda and Ramla, from which Arab communities were expelled by Jewish troops.

The displacement of the 700,000 Arabs who became "refugees" - and I put the term in inverted commas, as two-thirds of them were displaced from one part of Palestine to another and not from their country (which is the usual definition of a refugee) - was not a racist crime but the result of a national conflict and a war, with religious overtones, from the Muslim perspective, launched by the Arabs themselves.
http://yalepress.yale.edu/book.asp?isbn=9780300126969
Bogus quote, click on the link and read for yourself

Jose, although you're an ignorant Mexican, as I've instructed you, book pages do not have links.

You should try to read a book, as I do, Jose. But, first, you need to learn to spell...
http://www.usmessageboard.com/2269989-post264.html

Comprende, Jose? How is May-hee-co?
 
Marc39
Having created his own alternative universe in which the world has no memory whatsoever and, therefore, any lie can be posted as fact
He Also thinks he can make up a quote and post a link which is completly different from the quote
 
Marc39
Having created his own alternative universe in which the world has no memory whatsoever and, therefore, any lie can be posted as fact
He Also thinks he can make up a quote and post a link which is completly different from the quote

Jose, your alternate universe is that of illiterate Mexicans who cannot spell...
http://www.usmessageboard.com/2269989-post264.html
http://www.usmessageboard.com/2210962-post18.html

Be careful, Jose, or I'll call Immigration on your ass. :lol:
 
Marc39
Having created his own alternative universe in which the world has no memory whatsoever and, therefore, any lie can be posted as fact
He Also thinks he can make up a quote and post a link which is completly different from the quote

Jose, your alternate universe is that of illiterate Mexicans who cannot spell...
http://www.usmessageboard.com/2269989-post264.html
http://www.usmessageboard.com/2210962-post18.html

Be careful, Jose, or I'll call Immigration on your ass. :lol:
If you wern't so dumb Marcy, you would have realized, we're not even in the same continent:lol:
 
Marc39
Having created his own alternative universe in which the world has no memory whatsoever and, therefore, any lie can be posted as fact
He Also thinks he can make up a quote and post a link which is completly different from the quote

Jose, your alternate universe is that of illiterate Mexicans who cannot spell...
http://www.usmessageboard.com/2269989-post264.html
http://www.usmessageboard.com/2210962-post18.html

Be careful, Jose, or I'll call Immigration on your ass. :lol:
If you wern't so dumb Marcy, you would have realized, we're not even in the same continent

Jose, shouldn't you be studying for your Immigration exam?

You're my bitch, Jose. Como esta, bitch?
 
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Jose, shouldn't you be studying for your Immigration exam?

You're my bitch, Jose. Como esta, bitch?
Why on Earth would I want to leave my home?
And for todays Spanish homework, find the difference between ¨como esta¨ and ¨¿Cómo estás?:cuckoo:
 
Here's your spelling lesson for the day, Jose. Study, my little bitch.
A spelling lesson from a tailor?
Marc39 said:
? http://www.usmessageboard.com/iran/...lear-event-and-its-effects-2.html#post2346110 Aliyah dodger

Jose, hit the books! The immigration exam requires grade school spelling...
http://www.usmessageboard.com/2269989-post264.html
http://www.usmessageboard.com/2210962-post18.html

Study, or else, it's adios, amigo. :lol:
 
Here's your spelling lesson for the day, Jose. Study, my little bitch.
A spelling lesson from a tailor?
Marc39 said:
? http://www.usmessageboard.com/iran/...lear-event-and-its-effects-2.html#post2346110 Aliyah dodger

Jose, hit the books! The immigration exam requires grade school spelling...
http://www.usmessageboard.com/2269989-post264.html
http://www.usmessageboard.com/2210962-post18.html

Study, or else, it's adios, amigo. :lol:
gosh, i just hate to see a deeply relevant discussion cut off by an ignorant troll.

anybody want to post some more profound thoughts on this subject?

marcy, you wanna spew some more nasty feces for you to roll around in?
 

Jose, hit the books! The immigration exam requires grade school spelling...
http://www.usmessageboard.com/2269989-post264.html
http://www.usmessageboard.com/2210962-post18.html

Study, or else, it's adios, amigo. :lol:
gosh, i just hate to see a deeply relevant discussion cut off by an ignorant troll.

anybody want to post some more profound thoughts on this subject?

marcy, you wanna spew some more nasty feces for you to roll around in?

You're not qualified to engage in a deep discussion as you're en empty vessel. Your knowledge is less than zero.
 
Jose, hit the books! The immigration exam requires grade school spelling...
http://www.usmessageboard.com/2269989-post264.html
http://www.usmessageboard.com/2210962-post18.html

Study, or else, it's adios, amigo. :lol:
gosh, i just hate to see a deeply relevant discussion cut off by an ignorant troll.

anybody want to post some more profound thoughts on this subject?

marcy, you wanna spew some more nasty feces for you to roll around in?

You're not qualified to engage in a deep discussion as you're en empty vessel. Your knowledge is less than zero.

wassa matter, you can dish it out but can't take it?

i've already acknowledged that your knowledge of this particular subject exceeds mine. what we're working on here is your utter assholish lack of wisdom and understanding which makes you a broken vessel --- far worse than empty.
 
jihad vs zionism. which has killed more and which is the biggest threat now?

I will post in a little bit, let people get some thoughts in first if they want.

Since you asked - Jihad is clearly a bigger threat to Americans and the West. Zionists haven't killed millions like Muslims have in the name of a jihad.
I would say that Zionism could be a bigger threat to Muslims, however I don't have figures of how many "innocent" muslims have died from jihad suicide bombers and other attacks. Its quite possible that the Jihad has killed more muslims than Zionism has, but I doubt there is any accurate way to get numbers to prove it one way or another.
 
Flawed, ignorant premise.

Jihad is mass murder based on Islamic doctrine.

Zionism is Jewish self-determination, guaranteed all people under the UN charter. The original Zionists immigrating to Palestine were pacific, arriving unarmed and without a military.

Under Islam, 60 million Christians and 80 million Hindus have been killed.

Zionists have only killed in self-defense against Muslim aggression, fully permissible under international law.

Usama bin Ladin is an avowed jihadist.

People quite often forget the nine to ten million Jews who were killed in Iran over the past 1.5 thousand years. For that, Iran needs to be disposed of.
 
Flawed, ignorant premise.

Jihad is mass murder based on Islamic doctrine.

Zionism is Jewish self-determination, guaranteed all people under the UN charter. The original Zionists immigrating to Palestine were pacific, arriving unarmed and without a military.

Under Islam, 60 million Christians and 80 million Hindus have been killed.

Zionists have only killed in self-defense against Muslim aggression, fully permissible under international law.

Usama bin Ladin is an avowed jihadist.

People quite often forget the nine to ten million Jews who were killed in Iran over the past 1.5 thousand years. For that, Iran needs to be disposed of.

and you call me a satan worshipper? what happened to vengeance is mine, sayeth the lord, judge not, lest ye be judged and let he who is without sin throw the first stone.
 

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