JFK and the Unspeakable

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    JFK and the Unspeakable


    Oliver Stone
    Award-winning filmmaker
    Posted: July 23, 2009 05:05 PM


    The murder of President Kennedy was a seminal event for me and for millions of Americans. It changed the course of history. It was a crushing blow to our country and to millions of people around the world. It put an abrupt end to a period of a misunderstood idealism, akin to the spirit of 1989 when the Soviet bloc to began to thaw and 2008, when our new American President was fairly elected.

    Today, more than 45 years later, profound doubts persist about how President Kennedy was killed and why. My film JFK was a metaphor for all those doubts, suspicions and unanswered questions. Now an extraordinary new book offers the best account I have read of this tragedy and its significance. That book is James Douglass's JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why It Matters. It is a book that deserves the attention of all Americans; it is one of those rare books that, by helping us understand our history, has the power to change it.

    The subtitle sums up Douglass's purpose: Why He Died and Why it Matters. In his beautifully written and exhaustively researched treatment, Douglass lays out the "motive" for Kennedy's assassination. Simply, he traces a process of steady conversion by Kennedy from his origins as a traditional Cold Warrior to his determination to pull the world back from the edge of destruction.

    Many of these steps are well known, such as Kennedy's disillusionment with the CIA after the disastrous Bay of Pigs Invasion, and his refusal to follow the reckless recommendations of the Joint Chiefs of Staff in resolving the Cuban Missile Crisis. (This in itself was truly JFK's shining moment in the sun. It is likely that any other president from LBJ on would have followed the path to a general nuclear war.) Then there was the Test Ban Treaty and JFK's remarkable American University Speech where he spoke with empathy and compassion about the Soviet people, recognizing our common humanity, the fact that we all "inhabit this small planet. We all breathe the same air. We all cherish our children's futures. And we are all mortal."

    But many of his steps remain unfamiliar: Kennedy's back-channel dialogue with Khrushchev and their shared pursuit of common ground; his secret opening to dialogue with Fidel Castro (ongoing the very week of his assassination); and his determination to pull out of Vietnam after his probable re-election in 1964.

    All of these steps caused him to be regarded as a virtual traitor by elements of the military-intelligence community. These were the forces that planned and carried out his assassination. Kennedy himself said, in 1962, after he read Seven Days in May, which is about a military coup in the United States, that if he had another Bay of Pigs, the same thing could happen to him. Well, he did have another "Bay of Pigs"; he had several. And I think Kennedy prophesied his own death with those words.

    Why does it matter? The death of JFK remains a critical turning point in our history. Those who caused his death were targeting not just a man but a vision -- a vision of peace. There is no calculating the consequences of his death for this country and for the world. Those consequences endure. To a large extent, the fate of our country and the future of the planet continue to be controlled by the shadowy forces of what Douglass calls "the Unspeakable." Only by unmasking these forces and confronting the truth about our history can we restore the promise of democracy and lay claim to Kennedy's vision of peace.

    But don't take my word for it. Read this extraordinary book and reach your own conclusions.
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    Oliver Stone directs some of the best comedies in hollywood. One of my favorites was JFK. It had me rolling in the aisles.
     
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    So I surmise you believe the Warren Commission got it right? Now THAT is hilarious...:lol:
     
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    Well, the magic bullet theory was the brainchild of Arlen Specter, so there are some really good reasons to take the Warren Commission with at least a grain of salt.
     
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    The Warren Commission did get it right

    One day, Lee Harvey Oswald read in the paper that the President was visiting Dallas and that his motorcade would pass right under his window at work. So he brought his gun to work, fired three shots and blew JFKs head off.

    Thats all there is....nothing has disproved that scenario in 45 years.
     
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    REALLY???

    The United States House of Representatives Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA) was established in 1976 to investigate the John F. Kennedy assassination and the Martin Luther King, Jr. assassination. The Committee investigated until 1978, and in 1979 issued its final report, concluding that President John F. Kennedy was assassinated by Lee Harvey Oswald, probably as a result of a conspiracy. The members of this probable conspiracy were not identified. However, the committee noted that it believed that the conspiracy did not include the governments of the Soviet Union or Cuba, nor the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), or the Secret Service. It also stated it did not believe the conspiracy was organized by any organized crime group, nor any anti-Castro group, but that it could not rule out individual members of either of those groups acting together.
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    I often wondered how a skinny little guy like Oswald was able to move the Texas School Depository Building to the opposite side of Elm St. for 6 seconds, then move it back...

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    And he must have been quite a guy...he was able to suspend the law of physics too...
     
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    I often wondered how a skinny little guy like Oswald was able to move the Texas School Depository Building to the opposite side of Elm St. for 6 seconds, then move it back...

    Ohhhhhhh.....Grassy Knoll....thoroughly debunked by recent computer animation showing all three shots having a trajectory from the School Book Depository.
    Your claims of "It was definitely a conspiracy....except for Soviets, Cuba, Mafia, CIA......." is laughable.

    Want to preach your "Magic Bullet" nonsense next?

    Keep them coming
     
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    If we're going to have a conversation about President Kennedy's murder, first you need to let ME speak for MYSELF (don't tell me what I believe or don't believe) and second,you need to be able to distinguish WHO said what...

    The "your claim" you are laughing at is not MY claim... it is the claim of The United States House of Representatives Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA)...

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    CE386

    IF you LOOK at Warren Commission exhibit CE 386 the Commission claims the smaller wounds are entrance wounds and the large evulsion is the exit wound of the fatal shot... So, we are forced to accept that a bullet coming from above and to the right rear of the President, entered his skull traveling downward and to the left would exit above the entrance wound and to the right...

    http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh16/pdf/WH16_CE_386.pdf



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    CE385

    If you look at CE 385 & 386; the lower small wound is claimed to be the entrance wound of the single bullet. BUT, the REAL entrance wound was not in the President's neck, as the Commission drawing shows, it was in his back at about the level of the 3rd thoracic vertebra...

    Here is page 2 of the Official Death Certificate authored and signed by President Kennedy's personal physician, Dr. George Burkley who was never called to testify before the Warren Commission...

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    Dr. Burkley's location of the wound matches the autopsy face sheet, the President's shirt and his jacket .....BUT....NOT the Warren Commission's RElocated entrance wound to promote the phony single bullet...

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    "Beyond any question, and I'll never change my opinion, the first bullet did not hit me. The second bullet did hit me."
    Governor John B. Connally
     
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    The Italian Carcano fired a 160 grain bullet at about 2300 ft. per second. That is a low velocity weopon, less than a 30-30. It would not make a wound like that on the head of President Kennedy. That wound is far more typical of a 220 Swift, or a 25.06. What happened and why, I do not know. But the wound in Kennedys head was not made by an Italian Carcano.
     
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    The first bullet missed everyone completely, the second bullet passed through Kennedys throat and hit Connaly, the third bullet blew JFKs head off
     

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