Jews As The Chosen People

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On Saturday, October 20, 2018 at 1:25:01 PM UTC-7, Jews as the chosen people - Wikipedia



In Judaism, "chosenness" is the belief that the Jews, via descent from the ancient Israelites, are the chosen people, i.e. chosen to be in a covenant with God. The idea of the Israelites being chosen by God is found most directly in the Book of Deuteronomy[1][2] as the verb bahar (בָּחַ֣ר (Hebrew)), and is alluded to elsewhere in the Hebrew Bible using other terms such as "holy people".[3] Much is written about these topics in rabbinic literature. The three largest Jewish denominations—Orthodox Judaism, Conservative Judaism and Reform Judaism—maintain the belief that the Jews have been chosen by God for a purpose. Sometimes this choice is seen as charging the Jewish people with a specific mission—to be a light unto the nations, and to exemplify the covenant with God as described in the Torah.

This view, however, did not preclude a belief that God has a relationship with other peoples—rather, Judaism held that God had entered into a covenant with all humankind, and that Jews and non-Jews alike have a relationship with God. Biblical references as well as rabbinic literature support this view: Moses refers to the "God of the spirits of all flesh" (Numbers 27:16), and the Tanakh (Hebrew Bible) also identifies prophets outside the community of Israel. Based on these statements, some rabbis theorized that, in the words of Nethanel ibn Fayyumi, a Yemenite Jewish theologian of the 12th century, "God permitted to every people something he forbade to others...[and] God sends a prophet to every people according to their own language."(Levine, 1907/1966) The Mishnah states that "Humanity was produced from one man, Adam, to show God's greatness. When a man mints a coin in a press, each coin is identical. But when the King of Kings, the Holy One, blessed be He, creates people in the form of Adam not one is similar to any other." (Mishnah Sanhedrin 4:5) The Mishnah continues, and states that anyone who kills or saves a single human, not Jewish, life, has done the same (save or kill) to an entire world. The Tosefta, an important supplement to the Mishnah[4], also states: "Righteous people of all nations have a share in the world to come" (Sanhedrin 105a)


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> From Judaism 101:
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> Judaism 101: Jewish Attitudes Toward Non-Jews
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> "Judaism maintains that the righteous of all nations have a place in the world to come. This has been the majority rule since the days of the Talmud. Judaism generally recognizes that Christians and Moslems worship the same G-d that we do and those who follow the tenets of their religions can be considered righteous in the eyes of G-d.
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> Contrary to popular belief, Judaism does not maintain that Jews are better than other people."
 
Sure they think they are. Also they are only chosen in their eyes, and to be frank the jews never were one people, you had Northern Israel, Samaria, and Judah. There are no pure bred jews, they don't even know if they are a culture or a religion.

Rome had no choice but to go in a squash the civil war.
 
On Saturday, October 20, 2018 at 1:25:01 PM UTC-7, Jews as the chosen people - Wikipedia



In Judaism, "chosenness" is the belief that the Jews, via descent from the ancient Israelites, are the chosen people, i.e. chosen to be in a covenant with God. The idea of the Israelites being chosen by God is found most directly in the Book of Deuteronomy[1][2] as the verb bahar (בָּחַ֣ר (Hebrew)), and is alluded to elsewhere in the Hebrew Bible using other terms such as "holy people".[3] Much is written about these topics in rabbinic literature. The three largest Jewish denominations—Orthodox Judaism, Conservative Judaism and Reform Judaism—maintain the belief that the Jews have been chosen by God for a purpose. Sometimes this choice is seen as charging the Jewish people with a specific mission—to be a light unto the nations, and to exemplify the covenant with God as described in the Torah.

This view, however, did not preclude a belief that God has a relationship with other peoples—rather, Judaism held that God had entered into a covenant with all humankind, and that Jews and non-Jews alike have a relationship with God. Biblical references as well as rabbinic literature support this view: Moses refers to the "God of the spirits of all flesh" (Numbers 27:16), and the Tanakh (Hebrew Bible) also identifies prophets outside the community of Israel. Based on these statements, some rabbis theorized that, in the words of Nethanel ibn Fayyumi, a Yemenite Jewish theologian of the 12th century, "God permitted to every people something he forbade to others...[and] God sends a prophet to every people according to their own language."(Levine, 1907/1966) The Mishnah states that "Humanity was produced from one man, Adam, to show God's greatness. When a man mints a coin in a press, each coin is identical. But when the King of Kings, the Holy One, blessed be He, creates people in the form of Adam not one is similar to any other." (Mishnah Sanhedrin 4:5) The Mishnah continues, and states that anyone who kills or saves a single human, not Jewish, life, has done the same (save or kill) to an entire world. The Tosefta, an important supplement to the Mishnah[4], also states: "Righteous people of all nations have a share in the world to come" (Sanhedrin 105a)


>
> From Judaism 101:
>
> Judaism 101: Jewish Attitudes Toward Non-Jews
>
> "Judaism maintains that the righteous of all nations have a place in the world to come. This has been the majority rule since the days of the Talmud. Judaism generally recognizes that Christians and Moslems worship the same G-d that we do and those who follow the tenets of their religions can be considered righteous in the eyes of G-d.
>
> Contrary to popular belief, Judaism does not maintain that Jews are better than other people."
The Most Divine Interpretation


To avoid centuries of power-enhancing persecution by clerical flunkies of the ruling classes, truly Christian theologians should have preached that the Jews were already saved from the time of Abraham, and that God sent His Son only to save the rest of us.
 
I don't see the Jews of The Bible as being chosen; If they were then why would they deny the Messiah of The Bible?
 
On Saturday, October 20, 2018 at 1:25:01 PM UTC-7, Jews as the chosen people - Wikipedia



In Judaism, "chosenness" is the belief that the Jews, via descent from the ancient Israelites, are the chosen people, i.e. chosen to be in a covenant with God. The idea of the Israelites being chosen by God is found most directly in the Book of Deuteronomy[1][2] as the verb bahar (בָּחַ֣ר (Hebrew)), and is alluded to elsewhere in the Hebrew Bible using other terms such as "holy people".[3] Much is written about these topics in rabbinic literature. The three largest Jewish denominations—Orthodox Judaism, Conservative Judaism and Reform Judaism—maintain the belief that the Jews have been chosen by God for a purpose. Sometimes this choice is seen as charging the Jewish people with a specific mission—to be a light unto the nations, and to exemplify the covenant with God as described in the Torah.

This view, however, did not preclude a belief that God has a relationship with other peoples—rather, Judaism held that God had entered into a covenant with all humankind, and that Jews and non-Jews alike have a relationship with God. Biblical references as well as rabbinic literature support this view: Moses refers to the "God of the spirits of all flesh" (Numbers 27:16), and the Tanakh (Hebrew Bible) also identifies prophets outside the community of Israel. Based on these statements, some rabbis theorized that, in the words of Nethanel ibn Fayyumi, a Yemenite Jewish theologian of the 12th century, "God permitted to every people something he forbade to others...[and] God sends a prophet to every people according to their own language."(Levine, 1907/1966) The Mishnah states that "Humanity was produced from one man, Adam, to show God's greatness. When a man mints a coin in a press, each coin is identical. But when the King of Kings, the Holy One, blessed be He, creates people in the form of Adam not one is similar to any other." (Mishnah Sanhedrin 4:5) The Mishnah continues, and states that anyone who kills or saves a single human, not Jewish, life, has done the same (save or kill) to an entire world. The Tosefta, an important supplement to the Mishnah[4], also states: "Righteous people of all nations have a share in the world to come" (Sanhedrin 105a)


>
> From Judaism 101:
>
> Judaism 101: Jewish Attitudes Toward Non-Jews
>
> "Judaism maintains that the righteous of all nations have a place in the world to come. This has been the majority rule since the days of the Talmud. Judaism generally recognizes that Christians and Moslems worship the same G-d that we do and those who follow the tenets of their religions can be considered righteous in the eyes of G-d.
>
> Contrary to popular belief, Judaism does not maintain that Jews are better than other people."
The Most Divine Interpretation


To avoid centuries of power-enhancing persecution by clerical flunkies of the ruling classes, truly Christian theologians should have preached that the Jews were already saved from the time of Abraham, and that God sent His Son only to save the rest of us.


Well, if you are making some FAILED attempt at interpreting Scripture then you FAILED.

John 14: 6 KJV
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

So, I have always heard (not agreed) that God, the word of God, and The Bible are 'perfect'

So, unless John 14:6 is FALSE, then your idea is poop
 
On Saturday, October 20, 2018 at 1:25:01 PM UTC-7, Jews as the chosen people - Wikipedia



In Judaism, "chosenness" is the belief that the Jews, via descent from the ancient Israelites, are the chosen people, i.e. chosen to be in a covenant with God. The idea of the Israelites being chosen by God is found most directly in the Book of Deuteronomy[1][2] as the verb bahar (בָּחַ֣ר (Hebrew)), and is alluded to elsewhere in the Hebrew Bible using other terms such as "holy people".[3] Much is written about these topics in rabbinic literature. The three largest Jewish denominations—Orthodox Judaism, Conservative Judaism and Reform Judaism—maintain the belief that the Jews have been chosen by God for a purpose. Sometimes this choice is seen as charging the Jewish people with a specific mission—to be a light unto the nations, and to exemplify the covenant with God as described in the Torah.

This view, however, did not preclude a belief that God has a relationship with other peoples—rather, Judaism held that God had entered into a covenant with all humankind, and that Jews and non-Jews alike have a relationship with God. Biblical references as well as rabbinic literature support this view: Moses refers to the "God of the spirits of all flesh" (Numbers 27:16), and the Tanakh (Hebrew Bible) also identifies prophets outside the community of Israel. Based on these statements, some rabbis theorized that, in the words of Nethanel ibn Fayyumi, a Yemenite Jewish theologian of the 12th century, "God permitted to every people something he forbade to others...[and] God sends a prophet to every people according to their own language."(Levine, 1907/1966) The Mishnah states that "Humanity was produced from one man, Adam, to show God's greatness. When a man mints a coin in a press, each coin is identical. But when the King of Kings, the Holy One, blessed be He, creates people in the form of Adam not one is similar to any other." (Mishnah Sanhedrin 4:5) The Mishnah continues, and states that anyone who kills or saves a single human, not Jewish, life, has done the same (save or kill) to an entire world. The Tosefta, an important supplement to the Mishnah[4], also states: "Righteous people of all nations have a share in the world to come" (Sanhedrin 105a)


>
> From Judaism 101:
>
> Judaism 101: Jewish Attitudes Toward Non-Jews
>
> "Judaism maintains that the righteous of all nations have a place in the world to come. This has been the majority rule since the days of the Talmud. Judaism generally recognizes that Christians and Moslems worship the same G-d that we do and those who follow the tenets of their religions can be considered righteous in the eyes of G-d.
>
> Contrary to popular belief, Judaism does not maintain that Jews are better than other people."
The Most Divine Interpretation


To avoid centuries of power-enhancing persecution by clerical flunkies of the ruling classes, truly Christian theologians should have preached that the Jews were already saved from the time of Abraham, and that God sent His Son only to save the rest of us.


Well, if you are making some FAILED attempt at interpreting Scripture then you FAILED.

I'm a Jew, idiot.. We do not recognize the New Testament. Only a fool would quote it here.
 
It is a great bit of marketing, in setting up their religion they dropped the line into their holy book that they are the chosen people, Nice move on their part
 
And i was soooOOooo hoping after the whole Liz Warren thing i could be one of the lost tribe......

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I don't see the Jews of The Bible as being chosen; If they were then why would they deny the Messiah of The Bible?


Jesus does not fit the description of the Messiah given in the Old Testament.

Neither did Cyrus, but the Babylonian Jews proclaimed him the Messiah, and he wasn't even Jewish.

In other news, the covenants are two way streets; those Jews that attempt hold up their ends of the deal are 'chosen', those that don't aren't anything special, and the Christian sects are just as Jewish as any Jews attempting to honor the covenants, while those Jews who think they're special just because of their genealogies are mostly just racist bigots, which is hwy they are obviously not among the 'chosen any more, and haven't been since the return of those from the Babylomian exile, who then promptly began oppressing their fellow Jews and making up fake genealogies for themselves and giving themselves the more lucrative priest posts.

It's no wonder then that when they turned the religion into an exclusive cult built around themselves the alienated Jews had no vested interest in supporting the frauds and moved on to a more genuine dynamic sect that followed the Torah again and worked to turn Judaism into the universal religion for all humans it was intended to be from the beginning, and left the racist cults to start wars with people who weren't intimidated by their allegations of racial superiority and ended up getting their Temple destroyed in their fits of stupidity and arrogance, while the Christians went on to explode in followers, and deservedly so, even in the face of hundreds of years of brutal oppression and persecution and massacres.
 
And i was soooOOooo hoping after the whole Liz Warren thing i could be one of the lost tribe......

guns-guns-whos-got-the-guns-season-two-3267-parmenter-disguised-as-picture-id93412536

According to Democrats you can 'self-identify' as anything you want to, and the local, state, and Federal laws have to all be be re-written to pander to you and your mental illness. You're a member of whatever tribe you want to be a member of..
 
On Saturday, October 20, 2018 at 1:25:01 PM UTC-7, Jews as the chosen people - Wikipedia



In Judaism, "chosenness" is the belief that the Jews, via descent from the ancient Israelites, are the chosen people, i.e. chosen to be in a covenant with God. The idea of the Israelites being chosen by God is found most directly in the Book of Deuteronomy[1][2] as the verb bahar (בָּחַ֣ר (Hebrew)), and is alluded to elsewhere in the Hebrew Bible using other terms such as "holy people".[3] Much is written about these topics in rabbinic literature. The three largest Jewish denominations—Orthodox Judaism, Conservative Judaism and Reform Judaism—maintain the belief that the Jews have been chosen by God for a purpose. Sometimes this choice is seen as charging the Jewish people with a specific mission—to be a light unto the nations, and to exemplify the covenant with God as described in the Torah.

This view, however, did not preclude a belief that God has a relationship with other peoples—rather, Judaism held that God had entered into a covenant with all humankind, and that Jews and non-Jews alike have a relationship with God. Biblical references as well as rabbinic literature support this view: Moses refers to the "God of the spirits of all flesh" (Numbers 27:16), and the Tanakh (Hebrew Bible) also identifies prophets outside the community of Israel. Based on these statements, some rabbis theorized that, in the words of Nethanel ibn Fayyumi, a Yemenite Jewish theologian of the 12th century, "God permitted to every people something he forbade to others...[and] God sends a prophet to every people according to their own language."(Levine, 1907/1966) The Mishnah states that "Humanity was produced from one man, Adam, to show God's greatness. When a man mints a coin in a press, each coin is identical. But when the King of Kings, the Holy One, blessed be He, creates people in the form of Adam not one is similar to any other." (Mishnah Sanhedrin 4:5) The Mishnah continues, and states that anyone who kills or saves a single human, not Jewish, life, has done the same (save or kill) to an entire world. The Tosefta, an important supplement to the Mishnah[4], also states: "Righteous people of all nations have a share in the world to come" (Sanhedrin 105a)


>
> From Judaism 101:
>
> Judaism 101: Jewish Attitudes Toward Non-Jews
>
> "Judaism maintains that the righteous of all nations have a place in the world to come. This has been the majority rule since the days of the Talmud. Judaism generally recognizes that Christians and Moslems worship the same G-d that we do and those who follow the tenets of their religions can be considered righteous in the eyes of G-d.
>
> Contrary to popular belief, Judaism does not maintain that Jews are better than other people."
The oldest book in the Bible is Job. Job was not a Jew.

I agree that Judaism does not maintain that Jews are better than other people.
 
So "Viktor", "Penelope", "danielpalos", "caddo kid" are antisemites. The "Sage of Main Street" is an Antichristian, "Sparky" is a racist, "Picaro" an antisemite and an antichristian and "ding" is an idiot. Together they are US-Americans, who try to destroy gods own country and the western world.

 
Sure they think they are. Also they are only chosen in their eyes, and to be frank the jews never were one people, you had Northern Israel, Samaria, and Judah. There are no pure bred jews, they don't even know if they are a culture or a religion.

They are chosen. In God's eyes. Make no mistake about that. Not because they are special, but because of God's covenants with His friend Abraham. To insure every tribe survives the tribulation, God is going to seal members from every tribe with a mark that prevents them from being killed, just like He did for Cain. God keeps His promises.
As for wanting to be the "chosen". No thank you. God steps in because ALL NATIONS come against Israel.
They are a culture and a religion. And a target.

Viktor, If the Jews think that the Muslims and Christians worship the same God, then they have missed the great big letters on the Dome of the Rock. GOD HAS NO SON. They also know that the Christian God, has a Son. He's a Jewish Rabbi.


To avoid centuries of power-enhancing persecution by clerical flunkies of the ruling classes, truly Christian theologians should have preached that the Jews were already saved from the time of Abraham, and that God sent His Son only to save the rest of us.

Sage, the problem is they would be preaching a lie. Because just the opposite is true.
Not one Jew was cleansed of their sin prior to Christ dying for their sake. Not even Abraham. Christ came to and did fulfill the Law for them. To be their Passover Lamb. He considered the rest of us dogs. When He relayed that attitude to a pagan woman that asked for His help, He actually used the dog reference. And makes it very clear who He came here to save:
The Faith of a Canaanite Woman
Leaving that place, Jesus withdrew to the region of Tyre and Sidon. A Canaanite woman from that vicinity came to him, crying out, “Lord, Son of David, have mercy on me! My daughter is demon-possessed and suffering terribly.”

Jesus did not answer a word. So his disciples came to him and urged him, “Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us.”

He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.”

The woman came and knelt before him. “Lord, help me!” she said.

He replied, “It is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to the dogs.”

“Yes it is, Lord,” she said. “Even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their master’s table.”

Then Jesus said to her, “Woman, you have great faith! Your request is granted.” And her daughter was healed at that moment.

It was her faith that caused us to be grafted into the Jewish line.
Had the Jews accepted Christ, He would have returned from the dead and never left. He left to give Gentiles their own era or age of redemption. It is coming to an end.

I don't see the Jews of The Bible as being chosen; If they were then why would they deny the Messiah of The Bible?

Then you have pretty much missed the theme of the Bible. It is a chronicle of the Jews from beginning to end. The most important one being Jesus, the Christ. Christians are the Bride. Jews are the Chosen. Upon the return of Christ, it will be in Israel that His foot touches the earth again. And He will remain in Israel, for the Jews will realize that He is the Messiah. His name will be, The Lion of the Tribe of Judah. Refer to the above verses if you are still in doubt about who Christ came to save. "I was sent ONLY to the lost sheep of Israel". They were expecting a Lion and didn't realize they needed a Lamb first.

There ya go. :)
 
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So "Viktor", "Penelope", "danielpalos", "caddo kid" are antisemites. The "Sage of Main Street" is an Antichristian, "Sparky" is a racist, "Picaro" an antisemite and an antichristian and "ding" is an idiot. Together they are US-Americans, who try to destroy gods own country and the western world.




I'm Jewish.
 
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