Jewish Dems Start to Abandon Obama

[Jroc]

Jews don't make up a large amount of the population in total, but they are important voting blocs in some states (including some electoral giant states that change elections), since the Jews tend to remain in large numbers in really only 10 states.

Major ones: FL (3 largest electoral vote), NY (9% of population and even bigger percent of voting population and probably the most important donor group), MY (people don't realize that Jews have help keep this state Blue, make up 4-5% of state), MA (ditto), D.C. (Jews make up 5.1 of D.C. and even bigger voting bloc), NJ (big electoral college state and Jews make up 5-6%) and CT (Jews make up 3-4%, like MY and MA there 90%+ loyalty helps keep it blue).

Secondary: CA, even though their are 1.2 mil (3% of population), the Latino leaning left keep them blue, the most important group for Republicans are the 10% asians population. PA (3%), IL (<3%) and NV (3%)!

Others: OH, NV

All those liberal states are irrelevant... Sorry but NY, Cali, IL, and most all of the east coast states are going to Obama. The keys are as I said.. FL Obama won Florida by what? Couple hundred thousand? OH, MI, Obama will loose IN.. ECT. All we need is few more Jews to switch and that'll insure defeat for Obama. Plus we'll see what happens this fall in the U.N. A lot of things can happen, but It's looking good as of right now. If any of you people think Obama is going to get anywhere near 90% of the Jewish vote, I'll take that bet. I'm betting below 70% depending on who runs against him:cool

 

[Jroc]

This sure isn't going to help him..

Obama and the Muslim Brothers
Outreach to Egypt&#8217;s radical Islamic factions is doomed to fail


The administration is reaching out to Egypt&#8217;s radical Muslim Brotherhood ahead of parliamentary elections scheduled for September. &#8220;The political landscape in Egypt has changed, and is changing,&#8221; an unnamed White House source told Politico. &#8220;It is in our interests to engage with all of the parties that are competing for parliament or the presidency.&#8221; As President Obama&#8217;s previous attempts at outreach to Islamists have failed, there is little reason to believe this effort will succeed.

Egypt&#8217;s Islamist political parties seem set to play a role in the new government. According to a poll released this month by the International Peace Institute (IPI), Islamist parties collectively attract support from 19 percent of potential voters while the secular parties have 25 percent. Most of the rest were undecided or did not respond. The secular parties obviously are a better choice from the U.S. perspective. This educated, upper- and middle-class cohort could help usher in a future of peace, prosperity and tolerance in the region. Rather than coddling Islamists, the administration ought to be working actively to strengthen Egypt&#8217;s secularist, moderate and relatively pro-Western political classes. Hedging bets by reaching out to sectarian groups that do not share U.S. values or interests only makes it harder for the more liberal parties at a time when they already face numerous handicaps. Unlike the secularists, the Islamist parties will never be in America&#8217;s corner.

The White House appears to be blind to the schizophrenic message it is broadcasting throughout the Middle East. Mr. Obama says he wants to improve relations with Islam, yet he supports policies that offend orthodox Muslim morality. Most recently, the administration heralded the United Nations Human Rights Council&#8217;s March 22 statement on &#8220;Ending Violence Based on Sexual Orientation and Gender Identity.&#8221; Of the 85 countries that signed off on the statement, only one, Israel, is a Middle Eastern state. Strongly advocating the homosexual agenda hardly wins friends or influences people in that part of the world. While Mr. Obama strives to be true to his left-wing ideals, they are the main wedge between the United States and the Islamic political movement. The Islamists will not compromise, which means the White House pandering that undermines U.S. national interests is ultimately fruitless.

In his 2002 &#8220;Letter to the American People,&#8221; the late Osama bin Laden told U.S. citizens, &#8220;I regret to inform you that you are the worst civilization in the history of mankind.&#8221; He then listed the reasons why, some of which sound very much like Democratic National Committee talking points: support for women&#8217;s rights, homosexual rights, tolerance, diversity and choice. To the extent the United States champions Western values, such as free thought, religious pluralism and capitalism, along with various aspects of Mr. Obama&#8217;s agenda, it correspondingly alienates those for whom Islam defines political life. Mr. Obama has fewer friends in Egypt than he used to have. According to the IPI poll, his favorability in Egypt has plummeted from 25 percent in 2008 to 12 percent today, whereas confidence in bin Laden and his message increased from 18 percent to 21 percent. This is not an opportunity for outreach; this is a problem, and promoting the political fortunes of the Muslim Brotherhood will only make it worse.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/jun/30/obama-and-the-muslim-brothers/

 

[GHook93]

Jews are not single issue voters. Most of the more rabid pro Israel natter comes from the american Protestant right who have religious reasons for wanting Israel to do well. These are people who seriously worry American Jewry.

Very true, but they are a single party voting bloc. Antisemites always scream that they vote only for Israel, but they consistently vote for candidates that aren't as friendly to Israel. For example, the Jews hated Huckabee, even though he was BY FAR the most pro-Israel candidate in the crowd during the primaries. They supported Obama (and will against), when he was the least.

And Jews should support the Evangelicals! Not because of their support of Israel, but because of their values! Evangelicals are some of the best people around. They are some of the most accepting (unless your gay), kindness, friendliest, hard working and definitely the most charitable!


Jews don't make up a large amount of the population in total, but they are important voting blocs in some states (including some electoral giant states that change elections), since the Jews tend to remain in large numbers in really only 10 states.

Major ones: FL (3 largest electoral vote), NY (9% of population and even bigger percent of voting population and probably the most important donor group), MY (people don't realize that Jews have help keep this state Blue, make up 4-5% of state), MA (ditto), D.C. (Jews make up 5.1 of D.C. and even bigger voting bloc), NJ (big electoral college state and Jews make up 5-6%) and CT (Jews make up 3-4%, like MY and MA there 90%+ loyalty helps keep it blue).

Secondary: CA, even though their are 1.2 mil (3% of population), the Latino leaning left keep them blue, the most important group for Republicans are the 10% asians population. PA (3%), IL (<3%) and NV (3%)!

Others: OH, NV



They do it because its the right thing to do!


Also because the mortgage bubble that Clinton started bursted right before the election!


Not going to happen!


Jews should support a moral man like Romney! He is my second choice!


Americans in general should support Palin or Bachmann because they are unqualified, but Cain is the best AMERICAN candidate to come along in a while. If he doesn't get voted in, then Americans in general will lose!

Obama's real worry is that blacks, Hispanics and youth are getting bored with him, and are tuning him out. Minority voters go back to their usual participation rates, he is toast.

I guarantee you see a SHARP decline in the African American and Youth vote, not so sure about the Latino vote. However, I see the Latino vote staying close to the 60-40 that Obama got in 2008, because CA is so big and liberal, but I see Latinos across the nation spliting the vote 50-50 (the exceptions are FL and TX which usually produce a majority R)!

The Latino vote will increase for Obama. You have it backward.

Not in the states that it will matter for him! Latino turn out, like the black and youth turn out will be down!

 

[JakeStarkey]

Ghook93, your thinking does not reflect Hispanic beliefs and values. If the GOP candidate is of the caliber of a Perry or Palin or Bachmann, the Hispanics will easily top 80% for BHO.

 

[EriktheRed]

No, Jewish Dems are not abandoning Obama - The Plum Line - The Washington Post

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

obama doesn't need zionists to win. as soon as they have no voice in our government, our foreign policy can become sane

true. I wonder how many people have any clue how much money is given to Israel....and how much is ever paid back.

doesn't matter ... at least they don't hate us the way the rest of the mid east does..


would you give money to your enemy or your friend?

Why is a country $14 trillion in debt giving money to anyone?

 

[skookerasbil]

Hopefully this will happen all we need is enough Jews to switch and vote against Obama in a few key states, FL, OH, MI Ect.. If this happens Obama will lose.

The spin about Obama showing Israel &#8220;tough love&#8221; isn&#8217;t convincing people primarily because, unlike Democratic leaders of the past whose affection for Israel was not doubted, many Jews have been forced to come to the conclusion the president simply does not have the same warm feelings for Israel most Americans share.

Democrats are right to mock Jewish Republicans who predict a shift in Jewish voting patterns every four years. But the problem the Democrats face doesn&#8217;t stem from the fact the GOP has become a pro-Israel stronghold. The threat to the Democrats&#8217; stranglehold on the Jewish vote comes from their own party&#8217;s leader.

It bears repeating the record 40 percent of the Jewish vote Ronald Reagan garnered in 1980 had more to do with Jimmy Carter&#8217;s hostility to Israel than his own appeal. Carter&#8217;s loyalists tried to convince Jews of his support back then too, but large numbers didn&#8217;t buy it. The same may be true of Obama. It&#8217;s true most Jewish Democrats are not one-issue voters and many truly would never vote for a Republican. But few are being fooled by Democratic attempts to get them to ignore their own gut feelings about the president. The Democrats are bleeding Jewish support and fundraising. The only question now is how great the decline in Jewish votes for Obama will be next year.

Jewish Dems Start to Abandon Obama « Commentary Magazine

Very astute post.........the k00ks dont realize the electorial shit hole they find themselves in.

Ohio, Pennsylvania, Florida and Michigan, North Carolina and Virginia.....the other states dont matter for dick. No red states are going blue next year.........100% certainty. All the above states BARELY went Obama in 2008..........when George Bush was considered a disaster and the GOP was running its lamest candidate in generations. North Carolina and Virginia are going back to red = high probability. The GOP canadidate wins one or two more or the other 4 and Obama is a one term president.

 

[Kuros]

Jews are not single issue voters. Most of the more rabid pro Israel natter comes from the american Protestant right who have religious reasons for wanting Israel to do well. These are people who seriously worry American Jewry.
In 1980 Carter had garnered the reputation as a bit of a sell out. He would put a US ally out on limb, and the proceed to cut it off. In 1980 Carter's behavior to Israel was a major factor, but not the only one.
The Jewish vote isn't that big a deal unless it comes into play. They make up less than 3% of the voting age population, but they have a 95% participation rate, which does give them something like 7% of the total vote considering blacks participate at like 15% and Hispanics even less.Republican politicians don't cozy up to Israel because they expect to garner Jewish support. Jews vote for Democrats 90% of the time. Almost entirely on US domestic issues.

Obama's big support came from a surge of minority and youth voters. They voted for change, and they got same old same old, but worse.

Jewish voters would have to be really disgusted with Obama in order to vote for a generic republican.

However, Jewish voters who might consider a republican vote next year face several very bad choices as far as they are concerned. The republican choice is entirely very weird evangelicals of whom the most rational is Romney. In order to vote for a Republican this cycle, an American jew would have to hold their nose very very hard.

Failing a really catastrophic error by Obama, he will still get that guaranteed 7% of the vote. Especially if the Republican is Palin, Bachman or Cain. Jews might be more willing to vote for Romney, but it is still very unlikely.

Obama's real worry is that blacks, Hispanics and youth are getting bored with him, and are tuning him out. Minority voters go back to their usual participation rates, he is toast.

Bold is mine.

Jews make up 8 percent to 10 percent of the electorate in Florida.

Source

Florida is a swing state, and when was the last time anyone won Florida by an 8-10% margin?

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Jewish Dems Start to Abandon Obama

They aren't the only ones.

 

[Jroc]

From your post..

While Gallup notes that it’s difficult to gauge the immediate impact of the speech because their tracking poll doesn’t have a large enough sample size of Jewish voters, it nevertheless concludes that “aggregated Gallup Daily tracking interviews for the month and half periods prior to and following the speech show no significant nor sustained shift in Jewish Americans’ views toward Obama.”

No, Jewish Dems are not abandoning Obama - The Plum Line - The Washington Post

 

[Too Tall]

obama doesn't need zionists to win. as soon as they have no voice in our government, our foreign policy can become sane

true. I wonder how many people have any clue how much money is given to Israel....and how much is ever paid back.

I wonder if YOU know how much money is given to Israel.

 

[Jroc]

Poll: Obama has Lost Almost Half of his US Jewish Support

United States President Barack Obama has lost nearly half of his support among American Jews, a poll by the McLaughlin Group has shown.

The US Jews polled were asked whether they would: (a) vote to re-elect Obama, or (b) consider voting for someone else. 42% said they would vote for Obama and 46%, a plurality, preferred the second answer. 12% said they did not know or refused to answer.

In the Presidential elections of 2008, 78% of Jewish voters, or close to 8 out of 10, chose Obama. The McLaughlin poll held nearly 18 months later, in April 2010, appears to show that support is down to around 4 out of 10.

The poll showed that key voter segments including Orthodox/Hassidic voters, Conservative voters, voters who have friends and family in Israel and those who have been to Israel, are all more likely to consider voting for someone other than Obama.

Among Orthodox/Hassidic voters, 69% marked 'someone else' vs. 17% who marked 're-elect.' Among Conservative-affiliated voters the proportion was 50% to 38%. Among Reform Jews, a slim majority of 52% still supported Obama while 36% indicated they would consider someone else. Among Jews with family in Israel and those who had been to Israel, about 50% said they would consider someone else, while 41%-42% supported Obama.

Fifty percent of the Jewish voters polled said they approved of the job Obama is doing handling US relations with Israel. Thirty-nine percent said they disapproved. &#8220;This rating is not good for a group of voters who are 59% Democratic to only 16% Republican,&#8221; the poll's analysis noted.

Poll: Obama has Lost Almost Half of his US Jewish Support - Politics & Gov't - Israel News - Israel National News

 

[JakeStarkey]

The poll offered "consider" as an option, not "you no longer support Obama." Overt evangelicals or fundamentalists like Bachmann, Palin, or Perry will be unacceptable to the great majority of Jews. Such fanaticism scares Jews, rightly so.

 

[ekrem]

The relation between countries depends on win/win principles.
The Jews have interrupt that principle by invading the political system in Washington.
Israel has nothing to offer the USA for its challenges lying ahead. To the contrary.
The USA exports security, Israel needs that security combined with US's resources (influence to protect its actions in-front of world community).

The funny thing is, that there are enough Americans who already have been poled to find this kind of situation "outstanding".
Darwin would term it a parasitic relationship.

 

[JoeB131]

Hopefully this will happen all we need is enough Jews to switch and vote against Obama in a few key states, FL, OH, MI Ect.. If this happens Obama will lose.

The spin about Obama showing Israel “tough love” isn’t convincing people primarily because, unlike Democratic leaders of the past whose affection for Israel was not doubted, many Jews have been forced to come to the conclusion the president simply does not have the same warm feelings for Israel most Americans share.

Democrats are right to mock Jewish Republicans who predict a shift in Jewish voting patterns every four years. But the problem the Democrats face doesn’t stem from the fact the GOP has become a pro-Israel stronghold. The threat to the Democrats’ stranglehold on the Jewish vote comes from their own party’s leader.

It bears repeating the record 40 percent of the Jewish vote Ronald Reagan garnered in 1980 had more to do with Jimmy Carter’s hostility to Israel than his own appeal. Carter’s loyalists tried to convince Jews of his support back then too, but large numbers didn’t buy it. The same may be true of Obama. It’s true most Jewish Democrats are not one-issue voters and many truly would never vote for a Republican. But few are being fooled by Democratic attempts to get them to ignore their own gut feelings about the president. The Democrats are bleeding Jewish support and fundraising. The only question now is how great the decline in Jewish votes for Obama will be next year.

Jewish Dems Start to Abandon Obama « Commentary Magazine

I think there is a major difference, though, between them and now.

32 years ago, more Jewish-Americans identified with Israel. Today, they are a little embarrassed by it. Zionism has become crazy Uncle Moshe screaming about Hitler to your Goyim friends at your bat-Mitzvah. A recent poll showed that 50% of Jewish Americans under 35 would not see the destruction of Israel as a personal tragedy.

Israel's main supporters in the US today are the Fundementalists Christians who think we need Israel to exist so Jesus can come back and even all the scores for them.

And really, Obama's policy isn't really that different than Bush-43's or Clintons or even most of the PM's of Israel. EVERYONE sane realizes that there needs to be a two-state solution. Israel can't keep treating Arabs as a second class citizenry like South Africa did to it's blacks, and they can't assimilate them into the political structure where Hamas and Fatah get seats on the Knesset. So really, dividing up the place is really the only way to go. It's just an argument of where the lines get drawn.

 

[Jroc]

The poll offered "consider" as an option, not "you no longer support Obama." Overt evangelicals or fundamentalists like Bachmann, Palin, or Perry will be unacceptable to the great majority of Jews. Such fanaticism scares Jews, rightly so.

What do you know about it Jake? Stick to subjects you know something about. Fundamentalists Christians are some of the biggest supporters of Israel and the Jews


[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FS3SmEj5r9g]&#x202a;Christians United for Israel Overview&#x202c;&rlm; - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Jroc]

Hopefully this will happen all we need is enough Jews to switch and vote against Obama in a few key states, FL, OH, MI Ect.. If this happens Obama will lose.

The spin about Obama showing Israel “tough love” isn’t convincing people primarily because, unlike Democratic leaders of the past whose affection for Israel was not doubted, many Jews have been forced to come to the conclusion the president simply does not have the same warm feelings for Israel most Americans share.

Democrats are right to mock Jewish Republicans who predict a shift in Jewish voting patterns every four years. But the problem the Democrats face doesn’t stem from the fact the GOP has become a pro-Israel stronghold. The threat to the Democrats’ stranglehold on the Jewish vote comes from their own party’s leader.

It bears repeating the record 40 percent of the Jewish vote Ronald Reagan garnered in 1980 had more to do with Jimmy Carter’s hostility to Israel than his own appeal. Carter’s loyalists tried to convince Jews of his support back then too, but large numbers didn’t buy it. The same may be true of Obama. It’s true most Jewish Democrats are not one-issue voters and many truly would never vote for a Republican. But few are being fooled by Democratic attempts to get them to ignore their own gut feelings about the president. The Democrats are bleeding Jewish support and fundraising. The only question now is how great the decline in Jewish votes for Obama will be next year.

Jewish Dems Start to Abandon Obama « Commentary Magazine

I think there is a major difference, though, between them and now.

32 years ago, more Jewish-Americans identified with Israel. Today, they are a little embarrassed by it. Zionism has become crazy Uncle Moshe screaming about Hitler to your Goyim friends at your bat-Mitzvah. A recent poll showed that 50% of Jewish Americans under 35 would not see the destruction of Israel as a personal tragedy.

Israel's main supporters in the US today are the Fundementalists Christians who think we need Israel to exist so Jesus can come back and even all the scores for them.

And really, Obama's policy isn't really that different than Bush-43's or Clintons or even most of the PM's of Israel. EVERYONE sane realizes that there needs to be a two-state solution. Israel can't keep treating Arabs as a second class citizenry like South Africa did to it's blacks, and they can't assimilate them into the political structure where Hamas and Fatah get seats on the Knesset. So really, dividing up the place is really the only way to go. It's just an argument of where the lines get drawn.

Thats a joke right? you can't be that clueless and were is this poll you sight? Post it or don't mention, it I have not meet these Jews

 

[JakeStarkey]

The poll offered "consider" as an option, not "you no longer support Obama." Overt evangelicals or fundamentalists like Bachmann, Palin, or Perry will be unacceptable to the great majority of Jews. Such fanaticism scares Jews, rightly so.

What do you know about it Jake? Stick to subjects you know something about. Fundamentalists Christians are some of the biggest supporters of Israel and the Jews


[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FS3SmEj5r9g]&#x202a;Christians United for Israel Overview&#x202c;&rlm; - YouTube[/ame]

I do know what I am talking about, and as long as Jews do not perceive Obama as being overtly weak on Israel, which he has not and the Bachmanniacs are completely unable to argue intelligently, Obama is quite safe.

Don't get let your emotions get the better of you, freddy.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Hopefully this will happen all we need is enough Jews to switch and vote against Obama in a few key states, FL, OH, MI Ect.. If this happens Obama will lose.



Jewish Dems Start to Abandon Obama « Commentary Magazine

I think there is a major difference, though, between them and now.

32 years ago, more Jewish-Americans identified with Israel. Today, they are a little embarrassed by it. Zionism has become crazy Uncle Moshe screaming about Hitler to your Goyim friends at your bat-Mitzvah. A recent poll showed that 50% of Jewish Americans under 35 would not see the destruction of Israel as a personal tragedy.

Israel's main supporters in the US today are the Fundementalists Christians who think we need Israel to exist so Jesus can come back and even all the scores for them.

And really, Obama's policy isn't really that different than Bush-43's or Clintons or even most of the PM's of Israel. EVERYONE sane realizes that there needs to be a two-state solution. Israel can't keep treating Arabs as a second class citizenry like South Africa did to it's blacks, and they can't assimilate them into the political structure where Hamas and Fatah get seats on the Knesset. So really, dividing up the place is really the only way to go. It's just an argument of where the lines get drawn.

Thats a joke right? you can't be that clueless and were is this poll you sight? Post it or don't mention, it I have not meet these Jews

Kiddo, you by yourself, are no more no less a sounding board on this issue than anybody else. Don't like it, don't participate.

 

[Jroc]

The poll offered "consider" as an option, not "you no longer support Obama." Overt evangelicals or fundamentalists like Bachmann, Palin, or Perry will be unacceptable to the great majority of Jews. Such fanaticism scares Jews, rightly so.

What do you know about it Jake? Stick to subjects you know something about. Fundamentalists Christians are some of the biggest supporters of Israel and the Jews


[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FS3SmEj5r9g]&#x202a;Christians United for Israel Overview&#x202c;&rlm; - YouTube[/ame]

I do know what I am talking about, and as long as Jews do not perceive Obama as being overtly weak on Israel, which he has not and the Bachmanniacs are completely unable to argue intelligently, Obama is quite safe.

Don't get let your emotions get the better of you, freddy.

Really? As long as people are so easily influenced by a demagogue such as you, we are all in trouble. Thankfully the numbers of people in that group are shrinking.