Jesus or Ayn Rand - can conservatives claim both?

Jesus or Ayn Rand - can conservatives claim both?

  • Yes

    Votes: 2 33.3%
  • No

    Votes: 4 66.7%
  • other

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    6

Dick Tuck

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It's a year old article, but is very topical considering Mitt's pick of Ryan.

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That’s the question posed by a provocative media campaign that claims that some prominent conservative leaders cannot serve two masters: Jesus and the controversial author of "Atlas Shrugged," Ayn Rand.

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Rand said religion was ‘evil,’ called the message of John 3:16 ‘monstrous,’ argued that the weak are beyond love and undeserving of it, that loving your neighbor was immoral and impossible…

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There is nothing wrong in helping other people, if and when they are worthy of the help and you can afford to help them. I regard charity as a marginal issue. What I am fighting is the idea that charity is a moral duty and a primary virtue.
 
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opps I answered wrong because they can claim both.

They are not honest in doing so but they have proved they can be dishonest and claim both
 
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so you didnt understand that was a commentary on how Humans treat Jesus when they let priests rape little boys?
 
I have no idea what you are talking about. Is that like Jesus in the bottle of piss?

No, it's like Paul Ryan praising his mentor, Ayn Rand. Please try to stay on topic.

What happened to Jesus in the bottle of piss? :confused:

Perhaps you can find someone to read to you Ayn Rand's beliefs, regarding religion and Christianity.

Wait, here you go. This has sound, so you can hear Ryan's mentor directly:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTmac2fs5HQ]Ayn Rand on Religion - YouTube[/ame]
 
Paul Ryan never considered Ayn Rand a mentor. If you want mentors, obama's was the communist Frank Marshall.
 
Paul Ryan never considered Ayn Rand a mentor. If you want mentors, obama's was the communist Frank Marshall.

Are you denying that Paul Ryan said these things:

"I just want to speak to you a little bit about Ayn Rand and what she meant to me in my life and [in] the fight we’re engaged here in Congress. I grew up on Ayn Rand, that’s what I tell people."

"I grew up reading Ayn Rand and it taught me quite a bit about who I am and what my value systems are, and what my beliefs are."

"It’s inspired me so much that it’s required reading in my office for all my interns and my staff. We start with Atlas Shrugged. People tell me I need to start with The Fountainhead then go to Atlas Shrugged [laughter]. There’s a big debate about that. We go to Fountainhead, but then we move on, and we require Mises and Hayek as well."

"But the reason I got involved in public service, by and large, if I had to credit one thinker, one person, it would be Ayn Rand."

"And when you look at the twentieth-century experiment with collectivism—that Ayn Rand, more than anybody else, did such a good job of articulating the pitfalls of statism and collectivism—you can’t find another thinker or writer who did a better job of describing and laying out the moral case for capitalism than Ayn Rand."

"It’s so important that we go back to our roots to look at Ayn Rand’s vision, her writings, to see what our girding, under-grounding [sic] principles are."

"Because there is no better place to find the moral case for capitalism and individualism than through Ayn Rand’s writings and works."​

Ayn Rand gave him a moral case for capitalism? It doesn't sound like Ryan believes in Christ. Perhaps he'll just shake the Etch-a-Sketch to get over on you rubes.
 
Prove to me that Paul Ryan likes Ayn Rand BECAUSE she is atheist and you might have a point. Otherwise it's as stupid a poll and thread as i originally thought.

It's self-evident that Ryan pisses on the concept of good works.
 
Paul Ryan never considered Ayn Rand a mentor. If you want mentors, obama's was the communist Frank Marshall.

Are you denying that Paul Ryan said these things:

"I just want to speak to you a little bit about Ayn Rand and what she meant to me in my life and [in] the fight we’re engaged here in Congress. I grew up on Ayn Rand, that’s what I tell people."

"I grew up reading Ayn Rand and it taught me quite a bit about who I am and what my value systems are, and what my beliefs are."

"It’s inspired me so much that it’s required reading in my office for all my interns and my staff. We start with Atlas Shrugged. People tell me I need to start with The Fountainhead then go to Atlas Shrugged [laughter]. There’s a big debate about that. We go to Fountainhead, but then we move on, and we require Mises and Hayek as well."

"But the reason I got involved in public service, by and large, if I had to credit one thinker, one person, it would be Ayn Rand."

"And when you look at the twentieth-century experiment with collectivism—that Ayn Rand, more than anybody else, did such a good job of articulating the pitfalls of statism and collectivism—you can’t find another thinker or writer who did a better job of describing and laying out the moral case for capitalism than Ayn Rand."

"It’s so important that we go back to our roots to look at Ayn Rand’s vision, her writings, to see what our girding, under-grounding [sic] principles are."

"Because there is no better place to find the moral case for capitalism and individualism than through Ayn Rand’s writings and works."​

Ayn Rand gave him a moral case for capitalism? It doesn't sound like Ryan believes in Christ. Perhaps he'll just shake the Etch-a-Sketch to get over on you rubes.

It tells me that Paul Ryan, much like I do, admire much of Ayn Rand's philosophy and for the same reasons. Jesus was a capitalist, so there is of course a moral case for capitalism. There is no moral case to be made for maintaining the healthy and able to work in a state of permanent dependency. People are not housepets with the government as the owner.
 
This lie is so easily dismissed it's laughable....Here is what Ryan said of Ayn Rand's "Objectivism" philosophy....


"I, like millions of young people in America, read Rand’s novels when I was young. I enjoyed them,” Ryan says. “They spurred an interest in economics, in the Chicago School and Milton Friedman,” a subject he eventually studied as an undergraduate at Miami University in Ohio. “But it’s a big stretch to suggest that a person is therefore an Objectivist.

“I reject her philosophy,” Ryan says firmly. “It’s an atheist philosophy. It reduces human interactions down to mere contracts and it is antithetical to my worldview. If somebody is going to try to paste a person’s view on epistemology to me, then give me Thomas Aquinas,” who believed that man needs divine help in the pursuit of knowledge. “Don’t give me Ayn Rand,” he says.
Ryan Shrugged - Robert Costa - National Review Online

Case closed ass wipe.
 
Paul Ryan never considered Ayn Rand a mentor. If you want mentors, obama's was the communist Frank Marshall.

Are you denying that Paul Ryan said these things:

"I just want to speak to you a little bit about Ayn Rand and what she meant to me in my life and [in] the fight we’re engaged here in Congress. I grew up on Ayn Rand, that’s what I tell people."

"I grew up reading Ayn Rand and it taught me quite a bit about who I am and what my value systems are, and what my beliefs are."

"It’s inspired me so much that it’s required reading in my office for all my interns and my staff. We start with Atlas Shrugged. People tell me I need to start with The Fountainhead then go to Atlas Shrugged [laughter]. There’s a big debate about that. We go to Fountainhead, but then we move on, and we require Mises and Hayek as well."

"But the reason I got involved in public service, by and large, if I had to credit one thinker, one person, it would be Ayn Rand."

"And when you look at the twentieth-century experiment with collectivism—that Ayn Rand, more than anybody else, did such a good job of articulating the pitfalls of statism and collectivism—you can’t find another thinker or writer who did a better job of describing and laying out the moral case for capitalism than Ayn Rand."

"It’s so important that we go back to our roots to look at Ayn Rand’s vision, her writings, to see what our girding, under-grounding [sic] principles are."

"Because there is no better place to find the moral case for capitalism and individualism than through Ayn Rand’s writings and works."​

Ayn Rand gave him a moral case for capitalism? It doesn't sound like Ryan believes in Christ. Perhaps he'll just shake the Etch-a-Sketch to get over on you rubes.

Following your logic, Obama read Mein Kampf- therefore Obama is a Nazi.

So we can choose between a heartless "Objectivist" or a murdering "Nazi".....thanks fuckchops!!
 

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