Jesus forgiving sin is unjust to Victim.

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    Jesus forgiving sin is unjust to Victim.

    Sin, by it’s very nature must have a victim. Without a victim, there is no sin.

    The one sinned against has the first right of forgiveness.

    If Jesus usurps that right then I think it would be unjust.

    Closure is being denied the victim thus victimizing is twofold.

    Jesus would not condone such a thing.

    Secular law now demands a victim assessment report before sentence is given.

    To think that Jesus would ignore this requirement is unthinkable.

    This means that, “Why have you forsaken me? “, is answered by God with; because what you do is immoral. You deny the victim her or his rights. It is also unjust to punish the innocent instead of the guilty. In fact, that notion is insane.

    In the scenario shown here the victim is ignored thus showing the flaw in the judge’s ruling, if he accepts substitutionary atonement.

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqP_fjBkwxc&feature=related]Richard Dawkins schools Howard Conder on morality - YouTube[/ame]

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    Forgiveness in something you do for yourself as a "victim." It is the perpetrators choice whether or not to accept it.
     
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    I'm a non-believer and this seems silly to me.

    Jesus forgiving a sinner doesn't mean the person sinned against has to, he/she should forgive but doesn't have to.
     
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    You can forgive someone and still throw his ass in jail.

    Don't confuse "forgiveness" with "justice".
     
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    Jesus restores that which the perpetrator took from the victim. He paid the price of Justice with His blood. He has every right to forgive the sinner. The greater sin is not forgiving them.
     
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    True. That is why it is unjust for Jesus to usurp the victims right.

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    Correct.
    It is the victim that must learn and benefit from forgiving.
    Not someone who has not been hurt.

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    don't worry...the victim will get it when they reach the afterlife and their eyes are opened....as will the perpetrators.
     
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    True. To protect others.
    In the case of Jesus forgiving, the perpetrator walks.

    That is not justice.

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    It was God's plan from the beginning to have Adam and Eve eat the forbidden fruit. This can be demonstrated by the fact that the bible says that Jesus "was crucified from the foundations of the Earth," that is to say, God planned to crucify Jesus as atonement for sin before he even created human beings or God damned sin.

    If God had not intended humans to sin from the beginning, why did he build into the Creation this "solution" for sin? Why create a solution for a problem you do not anticipate?

    God knew that the moment he said "don't eat from that tree," the die was cast. The eating was inevitable. Eve was merely following the plan.

    This then begs the question.

    What kind of God would plan and execute the murder of his own son when there was absolutely no need to?

    Only an insane God. That’s who.

    The cornerstone of Christianity is human sacrifice, thus showing it‘s immorality.

    One of Christianity's highest form of immorality is what they have done to women.
    They have denied them equality and subjugated them to men.

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqN8EYIIR3g&feature=related]Women Part 1 - YouTube[/ame]

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dspWh9g3hU&feature=related]Women Part 2 - YouTube[/ame]

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9c0RFxXrYzg&feature=related]Holy Bible - Epic Fail - YouTube[/ame]

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