Jesus Christ speaks the truth, as always

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    Apparently some are confused about what the Greek word γενεά/generation means, and claim that the end times had to happen during the lives of the disciples.

    33 So you also, when you see all these things, know that it is near—at the doors! 34 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place. 35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away. Mark 24

    The Greek word is γενεά
    genea

    which means:

    1) fathered, birth, nativity
    2) that which has been begotten, men of the same stock, a family
    a) the several ranks of natural descent, the successive members of a genealogy
    b) metaph. a group of men very like each other in endowments, pursuits, character
    1) esp. in a bad sense, a perverse nation
    3) the whole multitude of men living at the same time
    4) an age (i.e. the time ordinarily occupied be each successive generation), a space of 30 - 33 years

    If you don't like that definition than here is another:

    γενεά
    genea
    ghen-eh-ah'
    From a presumed derivative of γένος
    genos
    ghen'-os
    “kin” (abstractly or concretely, literally or figuratively, individually or collectively): - born, country (-man), diversity, generation, kind (-red), nation, offspring, stock.)

    a generation; by implication an age (the period or the persons): - age, generation, nation, time.

    So when Luke (and Mark) wrote

    "Assuredly, I say to you, this γενεά will by no means pass away till all things take place. 33 Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away..."

    he is saying this NATION will by no means pass away.

    The Jews will by no means pass away.

    And wouldn't you know, no other nation that I know of lasted longer than 400 years without a homeland. Know of any? The Jews lasted almost two thousand!

    Glad I could clear that up for ya :)
     
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    Tell me this...why are the Jews considered a "nation"?

    Are Christians a "nation"? And if so, where is our homeland?
     
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    :) Our homeland. We are the body of Christ. :) He is our home.

    The Jews are considered set apart, a Chosen people, and almost the whole world has united against them, is there any group of people more defined? Has anyone kept such amazing geneologies throughout time?

    The Bible said the WHOLE world will be against them, that would include America, just before the end, something about a cup of trembling. But I'm at work right now, break is about up. Good to see you again Xotoxi!
     
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    Oh.
     
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    One who stands among you....

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    I don't know why but that emoticon doesn't go through, sorry

    But anyway, guess that means you now admit Jesus never lied :) thanks
     
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    Matthew 16:28 “There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.”

    "Truly I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the kingdom of God." (Luke 9:27 )
    He also said to them, "Amen, I say to you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see that the kingdom of God has come in power." (Mark 9:1 )

    He shall return before they have preached in all of Israel

    When they persecute you in one town, flee to another. Amen, I say to you, you will not finish the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes." (Matthew 10:23)

    Sorry, Jen, but you can't weasel out of it. Stop trying so hard to spread the word of the false prophet, or you shall suffer when El judges you.


    Jesus said 'quickly', 'now', and 'soon'. This has been used to perpetuate fear just as the Antichrist has been the enemy of the moment, be it Nero, Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, or Saddam Hussein.
     
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    Taken in CONTEXT....."...till these things take place" -- Matthew 24:4-36....all these things must be considered. Many people confuse the destruction of Jerusalem with the end of time. Jesus is making prophecy about the Destruction of Jerusalem in these passages...not the end of the world. But clearly Jesus is speaking of the fulfillment of the prophecy made by the prophets of old in foretelling of the Messiah. Matthew 24:29 is directly referenced to Isaiah 13:10, "...the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light (things that did occur..the day the Christ was crucified....The coming of the son of Man coming in the clouds ( referenced to Zech. 12:12, Dan.7:13)...Demonstrated in His ascension, as He had just promised the POWER OF GOD would fall upon them...the Apostles (Acts 1:8-9)...and the POWER OF GOD, did fall upon them IN THAT GENERATION...(Acts 2:1-4). And indeed, history actual confirms the prophecies of Jesus, Daniel, and Zech......as Jerusalem was destroyed by the Roman Empire in 70 A.D.

    For you see...when Jesus began speaking of the END TIMES....He declared as a simple truth, "But of that hour knoweth no man (not even Jesus...as indeed He was a man and had just declared Himself the SON OF MAN), no, not even the angles of heaven, but MY FATHER ONLY." -- Matthew 24:36. Form this point on (Matthew 24:36-51) Jesus begins speaking of the end times and how they will mirror the DAYS OF NOAH....THERE WILL BE NO SIGNS...NO WARNINGS...it will come like a thief in the night...NOT WITH any pre-warning. (Vs. 38-39).

    In taking the entirety of Matthew 24:4-36 in CONTEXT....would the Christ be foretelling of the end of the earth and ask the people to run and hide, JUST WHERE IS ONE TO HIDE FROM THE END TIMES? "Let those that are in Judea flee into the mountains" (Vs. 16). And...logically....why have the GOSPEL commanded to be preached to all nations around the world? (Vs. 14)

    In fact....Jesus comes out and quite unambiguously declares that the things that Daniel Prophesied about in the "Abomination of Desolation" would come about in that very generation of the 1st century (Vs. 15)....and of course..it did, as proven by history.

    Mt 24: Destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD siege map
     
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    i wished i could write a book that gave myself and my people all the power .... the bible is not the world of any god but the writings of men who wanted to promote themselves and their people. what about the books that arent included in the bible? man decided to leave those out...why not take in the gospels of thomas etc? why are these books rejected?
     
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    Its true...the Bible was written by men, men inspired by the Holy Spirit of Truth ( 2 Tim. 3:16). It's the unity and harmony of the Holy Scriptures....despite being drafted by ORDINARY men that offers evidence to the divine nature of those revelations. After 3500 years....not one truth revealed therein has been debunked by PHYSICAL SCIENCE or HISTORY ACTUAL.

    Consider the FACTS surrounding these writings and then ask the simple question again...why were certain books omitted from the canon of the Holy Scriptures? It becomes obvious when anyone reads those FALSE books and makes a comparison with the canon of the Holy Scriptures....both the 39 books of the Old Testament and the 27 books of the New Testament work in perfect harmony to one another...with ALL presenting the same theme, message and TRUTH. Unlike the gnostic manuscripts that fall flat on their face when placed to the simplest test in comparing them with the true writings of a true prophet of God. Some claim to be authored by the brother of Jesus....yet, it becomes obvious within a few passages this supposed brother of Jesus was totally ignorant about the tradition and customs of the HEBREW FAITH.....a strange happenstance since Jesus himself was born of a Woman....born under the LAW (of Moses) -- Gal. 4:4-5. Its the same for all those works omitted from the canon (a simple word that in the original Greek simply means a TOOL of MEASUREMENT or comparison). What is amusing is the fact that SOME modern MEN are now complaining about those works which were omitted.....making a pretense that modern man is more qualified to measure or judge certain writings .....as compared to the scholars of that very time period that had DIRECT ACCESS to many FACTS that are just unattainable by modern man after almost 2000 years of history have hidden and destroyed much viable information from which to make a proper judgment. Considering the fact that modern man CANNOT debunk the works that were actually contained in Holy Bible...the entire point becomes moot.....as mans inability to prove WHY these OTHER works should or should not be included is pointless...considering the fact this decision was made thousands of years ago...and is now a part of history....a history which modern man cannot change. Thus, one must conclude the only reason for bringing up the query in the first place is made in an attempt to discredit the ACTUAL CANON. Which is an exercise in futility in and by itself, as that work of God's inspiration is INDESTRUCTIBLE...as evidenced by the rabid attempts from its opponents to destroy it over the centuries...which have always fallen on their face.
     
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