James Madison's vision

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    From an email, so no link can be posted. I did confirm the words of Madison are true from my copy of The Federalist Papers.

    Methinks the framers of the constitution would be fighting mad over how our current government runs roughshod over the constitution they drafted and signed.
     
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    Sadly, nobody seems to think about the constitution anymore.
     
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    Didn't some fellow not that long ago call it "just a goddamned peice of paper!"?
     
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    NO, that was a hoax, you idiot.
     
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    I don't know, did somebody? A link would be helpful at this time.
     
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    The Constitution almost didn't get ratified and we got the 3/5 Doctrine which led into the Civil War and believe me, they knew it was coming, [they didn't live to see it] but made the compromise to get something down on paper and nailed down.

    The signers were all staunchly anti-corporation as well.
     
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    I know Thomas Jefferson saw it coming, but I don't know about the others.
     
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    Thomas Jefferson saw a conflict coming, but he hoped that if necessary the states would peacefully depart from one another. Of course, Lincoln destroyed any hope of that.

    Back to the topic at hand, the framers of the Constitution would certainly be shocked at how the federal government has gone beyond the scope of the Constitution.
     
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    They would also wonder where our agrarian based economy went and why everyone was living in cities. The constitution was written for conditions of the day. A nation of citizen farmer didn't need a large centralized government. It should also be noted that it was Madison, Adams, and Hamilton--the Federalists--who set government on the course it is today so be careful of which framers you align with. Jefferson is more your man but he dissembled the military (that un-American bastard) so even there you have a shaky ally.

    The founders were all products of the Enlightenment and the Age of Reason. Men of reason would predicate their decisions based on conditions of the day and be appalled at a society that abandoned reason in favor of making decisions out of hate and fear.

    Those that would truly be your allies would be the Tory conservatives (Irrationalists) whom we sent packing and shouting all the way...
     
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    They all grew hemp. But the industrialists made that illegal. Now we are chained to petrochemicals and coal.
     

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