Jakestarkey: new topic, brand new

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    JakeStarkey new topic since you pussed out on the other one....even though you asked me to pick a prior topic, you cried....you don't get a once more......well, this is a new topic, brand new.....i'm picking it and all you have to do is show up....

    that is the topic and i want to note that guno supports your post.....:lol:
     
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    Oh that's easy: that's similar to saying if Congress votes down restrictions on abortion clinics,
    then that is supporting unsafe abortion practices.

    If Congress votes down restrictions on voting rights, then that is supporting voter fraud.

    If Congress votes down restrictions on immigration, then that is supporting illegal immigration and crime.

    What ARE the restrictions? Can these be done in a more effective way
    that doesn't impose "unintended consequences" as in the case of abortion restrictions
    or immigration laws? if laws are not written right, they may not solve the problem as intended but make it worse or create new problems on top such as with marriage/LGBT laws that did.

    Voting down LGBT laws or ACA as unconstitutional does not mean being anti gay or anti health care; it means something is wrong with that law and it should be revised instead.
     
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    Yurt opens with a typical lie. He asked me to choose and I told him as I was challenged I would pass the choice on to him. He ran like a rabbit.
     
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    OKAY Yurt and JakeStarkey
    how about both of you challenge each other on the list of similar scenarios.

    How is voting down "contested restrictions" on ANY of these issues
    automatically a vote for supporting a certain problem or outcome resulting?

    How are these similar, how are they different?
    1. restrictions on gun rights or gun control
    2. restrictions on immigration
    3. restrictions on voting
    4. restrictions on abortion rights or access
    5. laws on LGBT marriage rights
    6. laws on ACA regulations

    Isn't it possible to be against a flawed law, but this doesn't mean you are against
    the intent of the legislation, just don't agree with how it is approached that you believe
    either doesn't solve the problem, makes it worse, or adds more problems or negative consequences.
     
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    no lie, but i don't want to confuse jakey................okay.................here is my SECOND topic........................not running...........debate the topic JakeStarkey
     
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    OK Yurt and JakeStarkey what set up would
    get you both talking and not avoiding each other.

    If there's anything worse than a knockdown dragout fight,
    it's two boxers not doing anything but dance around the ring!
     
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    We are going to debate, Yurt, why should I debate you when you regularly lie?
     
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    Catch him and call him on it JakeStarkey
    Just say NO that's not true, what I said is X.
    then say where that X point agrees or doesn't agree with him.
    You can do this. We all need to learn from the good example you
    can set in how to pick apart the points from the lies, and actually correct the conflict.

    You are good at this Jake
    why not school him and teach us how it's done at the same time?

    Yurt to make this a fair process, can you and Jake pick a point
    that is similar to how you painted JS into a corner with something he didn't say or mean.
    What is a similar argument that could be said for you?

    Jake is there a parallel issue where Yurt has said or implied
    something similar, but it doesn't mean he is for the bad consequences
    just because he would oppose or vote down restrictions on that law.

    Then you can show how it's even, that he does the same thing with opposing
    certain laws, and doesn't mean he supports the ill outcomes as feared. Any parallels?
     
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    Yurt has been a member since 2004.

    He has lied steadily for many years: it is part of his repertoire just like bripat and koshergrl.

    Watch him lie and deny the truth of my statement.
     
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    OK JakeStarkey then can you do what he did and point out a particular
    statement that shows he is no different than the criticism he makes of you.

    Usually when you find the right one, and hit the hole in one,
    this gets them to stop their game. So it is a good exercise
    to find just the right angle and shut this down.

    I can talk with bripat and koshergrl by sticking to the CONTENT of the topics.

    Why can't this be done with Yurt?
     

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