It's time to embrace Cuba

[editec]

We deal with communist China every day... they buy our bad debt. This is no longer a 1950s-1960s world where commies are the bad guys and capitalists are the good guys. If we establish a full trade agreement with Cuba and allow tourism to flourish into and out of Cuba, it would open up a new market for American businesses and help Cuba's economy surge like it hasn't done in decades. Times are getting tough in Mexico and we're very likely to have a socialist or a communist hard liner in Mexico within the next few years that will promise to clean up Mexico but it will strain relations with the US.

That being said, having a relationship with Cuba could soften that blow.

It's time to re-establish full diplomatic relations with Cuba.

Fuck Cuba. Fuck China.

Questions?

Yes, I have one: you haven't noticed that China is now our bestest bestest friend?

That's why we sent them all our industries, and they buy all our bonds.

Apparently FREE MARKET capitalisT and Chinese communist crypto-capitalists can coexist peacefully just so long as the Communist masters help make our Masters even richer.

And if that business arrangement happens to bankrupt the American people and our government?

Hey, no problem!

The Masters don't need Americans anymore, since the Chinese Masters promised that they won't kill our Masters.

Isn't it nice that our masters are all finally getting along?

Doesn't that make the pain that the American people suffered during the Korean Conflict and the Viet Nam conflict seem just so worth it?

Let's all give a big hand for internationalist capitalism, shall we?

Then if most of you wouldn't mind, please vacate your homes.

We have Chinese prospects looking at the property.

 

[editec]

China's communist republic is to communism as our democratic republic is to democracy.

 

[LiveUninhibited]

China's communist republic is to communism as our democratic republic is to democracy.

Cryptic... What do you mean by saying China is as communist as America is democratic? America is quasi-democratic. We do elect people but the power elite manipulate the masses to a degree that it's almost meaningless. I blame this partly on not having proportional representation.

Communism, however, has not existed on a large scale:

Communism is a socioeconomic structure and political ideology that promotes the establishment of an egalitarian, classless, stateless society based on common ownership and control of the means of production and property in general.[1][2][3] Karl Marx posited that communism would be the final stage in human society, which would be achieved through a proletarian revolution. "Pure communism" in the Marxian sense refers to a classless, stateless and oppression-free society where decisions on what to produce and what policies to pursue are made democratically, allowing every member of society to participate in the decision-making process in both the political and economic spheres of life.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist

Thus communism is actually a state of utopian anarchy, pretty much of the opposite of socialist governments that we've seen.

One could argue that direct democracy hasn't existed on a large scale either. But democratic republic is a good approximation to it that we've seen.

 

[GHook93]

We deal with communist China every day... they buy our bad debt. This is no longer a 1950s-1960s world where commies are the bad guys and capitalists are the good guys. If we establish a full trade agreement with Cuba and allow tourism to flourish into and out of Cuba, it would open up a new market for American businesses and help Cuba's economy surge like it hasn't done in decades. Times are getting tough in Mexico and we're very likely to have a socialist or a communist hard liner in Mexico within the next few years that will promise to clean up Mexico but it will strain relations with the US.

That being said, having a relationship with Cuba could soften that blow.

It's time to re-establish full diplomatic relations with Cuba.

I am not sure a full trade agreement is the answer, but the sanctions and the hostility are outdated policies of the cold war. I guarantee if we loosen our grip on Cuba, Hugo Fat ASS will lose its butt buddy in Latin America! What we should be doing is trying to isolate Venezuela in any way possible. Starting with trying to pull his allies away from him!

 

[Munin]

I'm looking for points of disagreement. Can't find any.

Yeah, I had to type communist authoritarian leaders . But I don't see the relevance of unemployment. Either way communists and totalitarian leaders have to take care of unemployment (and yes even communist countries have unemployment, although it is not the official policy: http://www.indexmundi.com/cuba/unemployment_rate.html )

 

[editec]

China's communist republic is to communism as our democratic republic is to democracy.

Cryptic... What do you mean by saying China is as communist as America is democratic? America is quasi-democratic.

Cryptic? I thought it was well above ground.

What quarter of our society is democratic, exactly?

What I mean is that neither nation is what it claims to be.

China is no longer the socialist nation striving to become communist and the USA has never been very democratic except in sound bytes.

That's what I mean.

 

[LiveUninhibited]

China's communist republic is to communism as our democratic republic is to democracy.

Cryptic... What do you mean by saying China is as communist as America is democratic? America is quasi-democratic.

Cryptic? I thought it was well above ground.

What quarter of our society is democratic, exactly?

What I mean is that neither nation is what it claims to be.

China is no longer the socialist nation striving to become communist and the USA has never been very democratic except in sound bytes.

That's what I mean.

That's what I thought. I tend to agree, but it wasn't obvious in the sense that most people don't believe that. Most Americans think they live in a democratic republic. Of course most people also don't know the difference between communism and socialism.

 

[CaféAuLait]

Fuck Cuba. Fuck China.

Questions?

Totally OT. Just looking at your badges, what happens after you get your last 'bronze', do you explode or get lifted to poster heaven or what?

I turn into my avatar and the End of Days begins.

 

[xotoxi]

I think that Cuba would be a nice place for a Caribbean vacation.

 

[Xenophon]

You wouldn't feel that way if you were Cuban!

 

[auditor0007]

cuba made a choice......because of that choice america made a choice.....hopefully russia and venuzela can help them.....

Yeah, a choice not to allow foreign private ownership of the means of production to continue and so exploit significant components of the population. How horrible.

Well we can all see how having the government own everything works. If I lived in Cuba, I think I'd welcome the exploitation of those foreign companies. At least then I'd be able to eat. Hell, I might even be able to buy a car and live in a house that didn't have a leaking roof.

But you're probably right. We should go the way of Cuba rather than the other way around. I want to bring all that equality and wonderful lifestyle here to the US.