It's Time To Change Pitchers People!

[Saigon]

Meister -

The global eonomic problems Reagan faced were undeniably tough (I remember those years myself), but they can hardly be compared with the challenges we all faced in August 2008.

At no stage did Reagan face the potential meltdown of the entire global credid system, or collapses like we saw at GM, AIG, Lehman Brothers or Bear-Stern. To find a comparison for that we'd have to go back to 1932.

The economy 'flourished' under Reagan, and your level of debt rose 190%.

Your home economy can also flourish if you go out and buy a new home, car, TV and a new wardrobe and whack the whole thing on credit cards.

 

[Truthseeker420]

America's economy is Stagnant, due to the current administration's policies!
When I put on my shoes, I feel the government's toes there already. There are way too many regulations killing businesses, our FREEDOMS, and getting in between our doctors and us.

People PLEASE WAKE UP! It's time to change pitchers!!!

what regulations that Obama imposed is killing business?

 

[P@triot]

Listening -

Can you tell us by what % debt increased under the last three Republican Presidents?

Is THAT what you want to bet on, becaus Romney's policies seem to be exactly the same?

Did you ever get a response to this?

Nope.

And despite asking Rottweiler 5 times, I never got him to back up his claim that the Obama adminsitration had admitted that the $5 trillion was a lie.

Rottie -

Let's try again, shall we?

The Obama Administration themselves are admitting it's a lie!!!

Can you back up that claim, please?

I did back it up - I posted a video about 6 times. A video (you know, indisputable fact of what occured). He'll, even the headline of the video (which I did not make) says what you keep trying to deny. Just look at the headline of the video if you feel like watching is to much trouble.

 

[P@triot]

America's economy is Stagnant, due to the current administration's policies!
When I put on my shoes, I feel the government's toes there already. There are way too many regulations killing businesses, our FREEDOMS, and getting in between our doctors and us.

People PLEASE WAKE UP! It's time to change pitchers!!!

what regulations that Obama imposed is killing business?

Well the two biggest are Obamacare and the Dodd-Frank Finance "Reform" bills. There are a lot more, but those are the two that essentially brought our economy to its knees.

 

[P@triot]

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That is an amazing indictment of Reaganomics, isn't it?

In the history of mankind, a poor person has never hired anyone. "Reaganomics" created the greatest economic tidal wave in U.S. history that this nation rode into the 2000's when Clinton's socialist policies finally caught up with us and started the economic meltdown.

The Trickle Up Poverty that you advocate has been an epic failure.

 

[P@triot]

Meister -

The global eonomic problems Reagan faced were undeniably tough (I remember those years myself), but they can hardly be compared with the challenges we all faced in August 2008.

At no stage did Reagan face the potential meltdown of the entire global credid system, or collapses like we saw at GM, AIG, Lehman Brothers or Bear-Stern. To find a comparison for that we'd have to go back to 1932.

The economy 'flourished' under Reagan, and your level of debt rose 190%.

Your home economy can also flourish if you go out and buy a new home, car, TV and a new wardrobe and whack the whole thing on credit cards.

One - the economy that Reagan was handed from Carter was exponentially worse than what Obama was handed and that is an undeniable fact.

Carter's policies created an energy crisis so severe, gas stations were forced to wait weeks for gas. When they did get some, hundreds of cars would line up for hours to fill up, most of them leaving without any. Do you have any concept of the kind of crippling effect not being able to get gas has on the economy? Operations were halted time and again for business, people couldn't get to work at times, and nobody dared drive unless it was absolutely critical (ie the entire entertainment, tourism, etc. industries were decimated).

Furthermore, his policies created unprecedented inflation (high 20% range) which resulted in interest rates that were off the charts (also above 20%). Try purchasing a home with 22% interest rates or starting a business with those interest rates.

The entire economy was simply devastated when Reagan took over, and when he left 8 years later, it was flourishing like no economy we had ever seen.

 

[freedombecki]

Meister -

The global eonomic problems Reagan faced were undeniably tough (I remember those years myself), but they can hardly be compared with the challenges we all faced in August 2008.

At no stage did Reagan face the potential meltdown of the entire global credid system, or collapses like we saw at GM, AIG, Lehman Brothers or Bear-Stern. To find a comparison for that we'd have to go back to 1932.

The economy 'flourished' under Reagan, and your level of debt rose 190%.

Your home economy can also flourish if you go out and buy a new home, car, TV and a new wardrobe and whack the whole thing on credit cards.

My, we do have a selective memory! Obama had already been in office for the better part of 3 years on Aug 4, 2011, when S&P became the fourth NRSRO (Nationally-Recognized Statistical Rating Organizing) group to downgrade the overspending done in Obama's first 2 years as a warning to Congress to get the debt and deficit under control, not to mention the warning in May 2010 the Weiss group gave NRSROs to downgrade the AAA Rating. Even in Mid-July when they did lower their opinion, they rated it one notch above junk. Others downgraded it only one notch, but they also did a second downgrade a few months later when Obama continued printing money for his pet rock projects rather than stop spending. S&P Not First

And, Sorry, the 2008 situation is not a campaign issue 4 years later. Blatant overspending and in particular on taxpayer thefts masquerading as 100% government backed loans for Nancy Pelosi's beneficence to her family members' investments in Green companies that had already proven nonviability by concerns that they would go bankrupt immediately. The half billion for one of the companies and the 1.3 billion (plus other quid-pro-quo friendship free loans) for other greeniess that resulted in laying off thousands of Americans from their jobs on a non-announced lockout one morning when they showed up for work to find a blanket dismissal posted on the locked doors.

Money managers all agreed in August 2011 the downgrade would be a campaign issue for Democrats to stop the crazy spending spree. But instead, the Democrats demanded that only their strengths would be addressed in the 3 presidential debates, and the downgrade got the least attention, whatever.

So the elephant sits in the living room, the smug leftist press and even smugger DNC operatives thinking they pulled a fast one on the American public, who would be confused by the most important issue facing America's integrity as the world dynamo that enforces peaceful ways in the world.

Obama's world view requires total chaos on free enterprise and world trade for its proliferation.

Americans who value America's integrity and endless giving to bringing peace through strength are not seduced by Obama's fancy words and the theatrics of the leftist lockstep press that has an agenda for destroying America's good influence because it's "bored" and wants "excitement."

Republicans only want to restore responsibility and a good self-introspection in going about waging peace through strength in the world rather than risk being destroyed by radical Muslim theologies that demand submission to jihad, not to mention the destruction of Israel, all financial trade organizations, and in particular, Christian nations like the United States of America.

It's not words, it's whether America remains a free Republic, governed by complex but workable framework that grants approbation to winning profitable ideas and not losers-take-all ones like our binding engagement with companies that are already headed for bankruptcy when Congress gives them half a billion apiece to squander a year before they actually do go bankrupt. When you divide 535 million that Solyndra received from the DOE for free by the 1100 employes who got sacked in Fremont, CA last year, that's more than $486,000 squandered on each employee if the company had no other receipts from this "stimulus" fiasco.

At $60,000 a year salaries, each employee should have had enough money to stay employed for at least 8 more years if the company received zip for its output. Instead it merely transferred taxpayer contributions to its own big investors, who just happened to be big DNC campaign donors. Can you say Quid Pro Quo? That would be fine with me if Obama had simply decided to take the money away from his enemy bankers and give them to his friends...oh, wait. He was obeying Jeremiah Wright's instructions to "God damn America" in the only way he really could--financial chaos.

Oh, and to refresh your memory, here are the 34 companies that have already gone bankrupt from Obama's generosity of giving good money to already-failed green businesses, who in spite of receiving billions of hard-earned taxpayer money (over $7 billion, in fact, if you do the math) - the troubled recipients' list:

1. Evergreen Solar ($25 million)*
2. SpectraWatt ($500,000)*
3. Solyndra ($535 million)*
4. Beacon Power ($43 million)*
5. Nevada Geothermal ($98.5 million)
6. SunPower ($1.2 billion)
7. First Solar ($1.46 billion)
8. Babcock and Brown ($178 million)
9. EnerDel’s subsidiary Ener1 ($118.5 million)*
10. Amonix ($5.9 million)
11. Fisker Automotive ($529 million)
12. Abound Solar ($400 million)*
13. A123 Systems ($279 million)*
14. Willard and Kelsey Solar Group ($700,981)*
15. Johnson Controls ($299 million)
16. Schneider Electric ($86 million)
17. Brightsource ($1.6 billion)
18. ECOtality ($126.2 million)
19. Raser Technologies ($33 million)*
20. Energy Conversion Devices ($13.3 million)*
21. Mountain Plaza, Inc. ($2 million)*
22. Olsen’s Crop Service and Olsen’s Mills Acquisition Company ($10 million)*
23. Range Fuels ($80 million)*
24. Thompson River Power ($6.5 million)*
25. Stirling Energy Systems ($7 million)*
26. Azure Dynamics ($5.4 million)*
27. GreenVolts ($500,000)
28. Vestas ($50 million)
29. LG Chem’s subsidiary Compact Power ($151 million)
30. Nordic Windpower ($16 million)*
31. Navistar ($39 million)
32. Satcon ($3 million)*
33. Konarka Technologies Inc. ($20 million)*
34. Mascoma Corp. ($100 million)

*Denotes companies that have filed for bankruptcy.

 

[DeciduousHorns]

The team's current pitcher balks all the time but is never called on it by the biased umpires.

 

[Truthseeker420]

America's economy is Stagnant, due to the current administration's policies!
When I put on my shoes, I feel the government's toes there already. There are way too many regulations killing businesses, our FREEDOMS, and getting in between our doctors and us.

People PLEASE WAKE UP! It's time to change pitchers!!!

what regulations that Obama imposed is killing business?

Well the two biggest are Obamacare and the Dodd-Frank Finance "Reform" bills. There are a lot more, but those are the two that essentially brought our economy to its knees.

can you be more specific?

 

[freedombecki]

The team's current pitcher balks all the time but is never called on it by the biased umpires.

Dear leader is called on his wild pitches all the time by House Leader John Boehner, who should get some press space, but the biased press always manages to obfuscate leftist wrongdoing and heap negative vibes against those who oppose the pitcher! The Fourth Estate is now the primary pitcher panderer rather than the objective fact source it was before it sold its soul to the thesis of Jeremiah Wright's "God Damn America" persuasion!

 

[freedombecki]

what regulations that Obama imposed is killing business?

Well the two biggest are Obamacare and the Dodd-Frank Finance "Reform" bills. There are a lot more, but those are the two that essentially brought our economy to its knees.

can you be more specific?

What is it you do not understand about Obamacare, the largest tax hike ever proffered against the Middle Class but disguised as an insignificant user fee by then-House Speaker Nancy Pelosi in her notorious smarm of "Don't read, just pass" to find out what's in the Obama Healthcare Act? It is also the largest tax hike in the history of the world on a people if you don't count the wealth found on holocaust corpses' clothing items by the Nazis of WWII for deposit into Swiss bank accounts for Germany's control freak Hitler.

 

[Newby]

and if you don't like that graph, this is one from that bastion of liberal thought, Forbes:

Wow, things really went downhill when the democrats took over the Senate and Congress.

Yes, quite a telling graph, isn't it?

 

[Saigon]

Rottweiler -

I am confused that you are still posting on this thread despite not backing up some of the willd claims you made earlier.

Would you mind either backing up the claim, or at least admitting that it was a fiction?

 

[Newby]

Rottweiler -

I am confused that you are still posting on this thread despite not backing up some of the willd claims you made earlier.

Would you mind either backing up the claim, or at least admitting that it was a fiction?

They were backed up, either move on or address it. Ignoring it is getting you no where.

 

[Saigon]

Rottweiler -

I am confused that you are still posting on this thread despite not backing up some of the willd claims you made earlier.

Would you mind either backing up the claim, or at least admitting that it was a fiction?

They were backed up, either move on or address it. Ignoring it is getting you no where.

Really? Where? Care to put a thread # on that?

The Obama Administration themselves are admitting it's a lie!!!

Again - let's see the EXACT QUOTE. Just sayin "It is on the video" doesn't explain cut it - especially when anyone who looks at the video can see it doesn't come within a hundred miles of an apology or even a retraction.

I don't see what is wrong with asking people to post honestly, to back up claims and in cases like this - admit when something was simply a fiction.

 

[P@triot]

Rottweiler -

I am confused that you are still posting on this thread despite not backing up some of the willd claims you made earlier.

Would you mind either backing up the claim, or at least admitting that it was a fiction?

I've backed it up over and over with VIDEO - the most indisputable evidence of all! Would you mind stopping pretending like you don't see the glaring evidence?!? Everyone can see it on this thread - so who do you think you're tricking by claiming it is not there?

This is the Clean Debate Zone - just stop with the passive/aggressive tactics. You're being inflammatory and you're going to get burned for it.

 

[jillian]

and if you don't like that graph, this is one from that bastion of liberal thought, Forbes:

Wow, things really went downhill when the democrats took over the Senate and Congress.

is that what you think it says?

i suppose if one lives in the XXXXXX of XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

but i guess since it shows what XXXXX the XXXXXXXXXXXXX are, you had no choice but to XXXXXXXXXXXX it.

 

[P@triot]

Rottweiler -

I am confused that you are still posting on this thread despite not backing up some of the willd claims you made earlier.

Would you mind either backing up the claim, or at least admitting that it was a fiction?

They were backed up, either move on or address it. Ignoring it is getting you no where.

Really? Where? Care to put a thread # on that?

The Obama Administration themselves are admitting it's a lie!!!

Again - let's see the EXACT QUOTE. Just sayin "It is on the video" doesn't explain cut it - especially when anyone who looks at the video can see it doesn't come within a hundred miles of an apology or even a retraction.

I don't see what is wrong with asking people to post honestly, to back up claims and in cases like this - admit when something was simply a fiction.

It's on video for everyone to see. Therefore i already have "backed up the claims". This tactic of pretending its not there is just plain baffling. It's there to see, I posted VIDEO (multiple times) backing up the FACTS I stated. Even other posters are now growing weary of this little game. If you want to pull this passive/aggressive inflammatory stuff, the Clean Debate Zone is not for you. Please go into one of the other "zones".

 

[P@triot]

what regulations that Obama imposed is killing business?

Well the two biggest are Obamacare and the Dodd-Frank Finance "Reform" bills. There are a lot more, but those are the two that essentially brought our economy to its knees.

can you be more specific?

I've named the exact bills. How much more "specific" can I be???

Can you be more specific in exactly what you want to know from me?

 

[P@triot]

and if you don't like that graph, this is one from that bastion of liberal thought, Forbes:

Wow, things really went downhill when the democrats took over the Senate and Congress.

is that what you think it says?

- can we get back on topic by asking if you are aware that Congress controls the purse strings? When the nation had the fictitious "surplus" during the Clinton years that 'ole Bill likes to thump his chest about, the majority of that was in fact engineered under the GOP Congress lead by Newt Gingrich.

And it was the Dem Congress under Nancy Pelosi that has printed money and thrown it around like a hillbilly that just won the lottery...